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  • Just wanted to throw in GI for consideration. The GI database seems to be down at the moment (weird) but I'd assume that whole grain pasta has a 10-15 point lower GI than white.
  • Marll
    Marll Posts: 904 Member

    I agree the government should stay out of what people eat, and you can say the same thing about the corn industry being heavily subsidized. But does that mean grains are the cause of all disease and terrible for you? nope

    I agree with you 100% on the corn industry as well. Corn is another grain and not a vegtable as most people are taught. Corn as it is grown for feed and turning into HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) is basically inedible by humans, as it's been altered to provide basically no redeeming qualities other than yield. Are they the ground zero of all disease? No, of course not, but they certainly aren't contributing to health at all either, and they do cause a few known conditions, or aggrivate others.
    That is why i don't stress over refined vs whole grains (refined actually contains little to no phytic acid and other things that may cause the malabsorbtion of nutrient, same reason why i don't eat brown rice, i don't like the taste and don't think the supposed benefits outweigh taste etc)

    And THIS is another reason the whole grain push pisses me off. Refined grains have actually proven to be more nutritionally sound than "whole" grains when it comes to the absorbtion of vitamins and minerals by the human body, yet they still push whole grains as a healthier alternative. Why? It's all a marketing buzz and it SOUNDS like it should be true. Just like it sounds like it should be true that eating fat makes you fat, when in fact it does not, or saying salt or sodium increases blood pressure for those with hypertension so everyone should avoid it.
    Meat kills people too from various contaminants

    We both know I'm not talking about contaminated food. I'm sure with a bit of browsing I can find plenty of people killed by tained grains, fruit, vegtables, etc. We're talking about a basic biological response to a potential allergen. Never have I heard of someone wasting from eating some steak or eggs, but wheat is a definate issue for many people in this country.

    the bottom line is that most people can consume grains and it will have no negative effects on health or body composition if eaten in moderation

    I'll just stick to foods that I can eat without any considerable moderation and avoid grains except for rare occasions, and always go in with the knowledge that they are not exactly a great source of nutrition.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,207 Member
    No, maybe 3 points........both ofw hich are low GI
    Just wanted to throw in GI for consideration. The GI database seems to be down at the moment (weird) but I'd assume that whole grain pasta has a 10-15 point lower GI than white.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but is whole wheat pasta really better than regular pasta? I bought groceries today and I bought some whole wheat instead of the regular kind (it's one of those little things that seems so easy to change) but I'm wondering if it really is better.

    For your health it is better because it has more fiber. I personally don't care for whole wheat pasta in most dishes. I like Barilla Plus much better. It has a better texture and doesn't have that gray color when cooked. It's a bit more expensive so I just wait for it to go on sale and stock up.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    And THIS is another reason the whole grain push pisses me off. Refined grains have actually proven to be more nutritionally sound than "whole" grains when it comes to the absorbtion of vitamins and minerals by the human body, yet they still push whole grains as a healthier alternative. Why? It's all a marketing buzz and it SOUNDS like it should be true. Just like it sounds like it should be true that eating fat makes you fat, when in fact it does not, or saying salt or sodium increases blood pressure for those with hypertension so everyone should avoid it.

    No argument from me on that point, although i suppose you could make the argument that whole grains traditionally contain higher fiber, and higher fiber intake is associated with various benefits. But if you're focusing on whole wheat pasta, brown rice etc for your fiber intake, you're doing it wrong

    I'll just stick to foods that I can eat without any considerable moderation and avoid grains except for rare occasions, and always go in with the knowledge that they are not exactly a great source of nutrition.

    i agree that whole grains are not that nutrient dense, but they are pretty damn tasty and for most of the population i dont' think consuming them will do all that much harm if any
  • Marll
    Marll Posts: 904 Member
    I am convinced that anyone that thinks that whole wheat pasta tastes good is kidding themselves and only say that because they believe it to be healthy.
    Are you really so self-centered that you can't imagine people having different tastes than you? Unbelievable.

    Of course I believe that people can have different tastes. I understand that some people like country music.....

    My point is really more that I do not believe, at all, that anyone conciously picked up a box of whole grain pasta for the first time and tried it on a whim, but rather was looking at the potential promise that it was better for them nutritionally. Anyone I've known that went this route (friends, sister, mom, etc) have always made comments like:

    "You should try this, it's much healthier for you!"
    "How does it taste?"
    "Well....it's a bit weird and gritty at first, but you get used to it!"
    "So, it's weird huh? Why did you continue to buy it?"
    "Because it's healthy!"
    ".....uh huh...."
  • galegetsthin
    galegetsthin Posts: 1,340 Member
    I have swapped my pastas, potatoes to different veggies that have a similar texture (spaghetti squash, eggplant, and other squashy veggies for pasta, sweet potato strips baked with some sea salt for fries, mashed cauliflower instead of potatoes. When I do rice, I still do white rice. I cant stand the brown rice, and only have it like one or two times a month.
  • Marll
    Marll Posts: 904 Member
    It's better for you but it doesn't mean you can eat more. It contains more fiber and is absorbed slower so it doesn't raise your glucose level as much as regular pasta.

    And why does every question that pertains to carbs turn into the same argument started by the same people over and over.
    We get it! You don't have to jump on every question with a response that starts an argument. I am so sick of it.
    If you don't have something different to say then shut the F up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hrm, somebody doesn't seem to be a fan of friendly debate and discussion. We all have views, no reason we can't all express them. No reason to resort to cursing :wink:
  • Marll
    Marll Posts: 904 Member
    I have swapped my pastas, potatoes to different veggies that have a similar texture (spaghetti squash, eggplant, and other squashy veggies for pasta, sweet potato strips baked with some sea salt for fries, mashed cauliflower instead of potatoes. When I do rice, I still do white rice. I cant stand the brown rice, and only have it like one or two times a month.

    Yes, I'll take spaghetti squash, sweet potatoes, cauliflower and parsnips (they make GREAT frech fry substitutes btw) any day of the week over pasta, white potatoes and rice. Rice I think is the best grain, with the least if any allergic response in people. That being said I still avoid it for weight loss, but would certainly eat it again very occasionally once I am at goal.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Just wanted to throw in GI for consideration. The GI database seems to be down at the moment (weird) but I'd assume that whole grain pasta has a 10-15 point lower GI than white.

    The GI of pasta goes up the longer you cook it. Al dente pasta has a lower GI than if it's cooked until soft all the way through.
  • LastMinuteMama
    LastMinuteMama Posts: 590 Member
    Grains are unhealthy? News to me. Maybe if you have a wheat allergy or some such, but for the average person, on moderation, grains are good for you. They have numerous B vitamins and minerals.

    My mother was Italian; so pasta was a staple in our house. However, in Italy, pasta is generally served as a first course or a side dish. In America we eat a dinner size plate helping. That's where we go wrong. It's like everything else. In moderation nothing is bad for you.

    Grains are junk, it's not something that anyone that is human can actually process properly. Those vitamins that they have stored in them are effectively negated by the other properties present in grains (see above previous post). Some people have adverse reactions to it and others do not, but there is still some measure of damage being done to the digestive tract and organs. The only animals that can actually properly digest grains are certain types of birds. We've all been duped for years by our grain subsidizing government and grain pushing companies that they are good for us, but the higher rates of human disease in which eliminating grains stops the problem are not something that can be ignored forever. I've also never heard of anyone, even in government and nutritionist circles refer to grains as a superior food source, only that you can feed a lot of people cheaply. They probably won't kill you unless you are celiac, but they certainly aren't the best nutritionally dense source of food available. I don't see companies or the government pushing vegtables the same way they love to push their grains...food for thought IMO.

    I also come from an Italian family, great grandfather was straight off the boat in 1890. In Italy they don't eat the same as we do here, the pasta is in much less quantity, or at least not daily, and my grandfather says that typically you wouldn't serve bread with a pasta meal as we love to do here. Italian cooking is SO much more than pasta, it's the bastardized, Americanized version of Italian cooking with all the junk pasta that's a real problem. It's just like any other ethnic food that is popular, it's so far removed from its roots that it's not event he same thing any more. I worked in a Chinese restaurant in high school and ate with the cooks on occasion. Their food was much more vegtable and meat based (though with rice of course, the least junky grain of them all) and tasted WAY better than anything the restaurant served. When I asked about it they told me "Only Americans eat that *kitten*, in China/Hong Kong nobody eats like this, or only for special occasions do we have so much fried stuff and sugar!"


    Well, I guess all Italians are different...I'm first generation Italian and when we went to my Nonna/Nonno's there was homemade pasta, bread, soup, salad for a breather, then espresso paired with pizalles and then my Nonno would grab some dried meat and cheeses to eat with MORE bread!!! LOL, maybe it was just them, but there was a helleva lot of bread & pasta going on!


    But to answer the OP, whole wheat is touted as better. Personally, I don't care for the taste or texture (how could I after all the the other stuff I've been eating all of my life!) Also, I plumped up on the whole wheat pasta, go figure. It's different strokes for different folks. Gotta find what works for you : )
  • it_be_asin
    it_be_asin Posts: 562 Member
    I eat normal white pasta, but use it in small amounts and add heaps of vegetables for nutrition and flavour. I also flavour my pasta dishes with herbs and spices - I use very little salt, pepper, oil, butter or cheese when I make pasta.

    Still, it makes for a low protein meal unless I make a pasta bake or lasagne and top it with low fat ricotta.

    Pasta is what you make of it - if you eat pasta with cheese sauce every night that's bad for you. If you eat broc heavy brocolli oricchetti, my eggplant pasta bake or vegetarian lasagne a few times a week, that's alright (I think!).
  • Won't make much difference, pasta in general is high in cal and is not the best for dieting. I replaced pasta with Couscous or noodles.
  • MsMargie1116
    MsMargie1116 Posts: 323 Member
    I'll tell you what, Ronzoni has some really good pasta called "Smart Taste" they have all kinds of pasta. It looks like white pasta, but doesn't have the texture of whole wheat, plus it has more fiber than whole wheat pasta. I can't get my husband to touch whole wheat pasta with a 10 foot pole, but he will go to town on the Smart Taste pasta... :smile: I personally LOVE the whole wheat pasta.
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