Strength Training question

sundinsgurl
sundinsgurl Posts: 1,157 Member
edited November 8 in Fitness and Exercise
In November I fractured my elbow in mulitple places and had to have surgery so I am still recovering. So obvioulsy right now I am not allowed to do any strength training for my arms.

I decided today I wanted to strength train for my legs for now till I can do both my arms and legs

I did it for the first time today,... 6 diff machines for 3 sets of 10.


Just curious how often should I strength train them? 3 times a week OK? or should it be less/more

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  • ckapes
    ckapes Posts: 31
    Working at a physical therapy place for 5 years, you should do three days a week and make sure you skip at least a day in between, not three days in a row. Make sure you rest in between sets. You should feel the burn the last few reps of each set, but no sharp pains.
  • sundinsgurl
    sundinsgurl Posts: 1,157 Member
    That is wonderful advice!!

    I knew that part that it should be tough the last few reps of each set. so 3 times a week, and when I add arms back in does that mean only 3 times in total each week... like 2 times for legs 1 time for arms... or 3 times for arms and 3 times for legs?
  • JoyfullMovement
    JoyfullMovement Posts: 108 Member
    Three times for lower body and three times for the upper body. When you have healed you could work out the whole body three days, skipping a day in between like suggested, or a routein for example with upper on Monday, Wensday, Friday and lower on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Hope it all goes well.
  • sundinsgurl
    sundinsgurl Posts: 1,157 Member
    thank u!!
  • ckapes
    ckapes Posts: 31
    Once your arm gets better. It is still 3x per week. You can do it all one day (if you have the time) or you can split it up. Just don't do the same muscle group in a row. As for Abs, I don't think this applies. You can do them any time as I understand. Just a disclaimer I worked at a physical therapy place, but I am not a trainer or therapist:-)
  • I'm a personal trainer and if you are strength training, don't train a muscle group more than 2 times a week. When you train you should do 3 circuits of 3-4 sets of 3 exercises per muscle group. You would do 3 exercises for your quads, 3 for your hamstrings, & 3 for your calves. The first set should be 6 reps and add 2 reps to the next set never going above 12 reps. You should decrease the weight as your reps increase but remember that last rep should be a max out. Start by doing one quad exercise, then a hamstring and so on. By the 3rd week do 2 quads, then 2 hams, then 2 calves. Then the 4th week do all 3 exercises for one muscle group back to back. You want to get to the point where you are moving from one exercise to the other with minimal rest periods. You would rest at least 2 min when you complete a circuit. Hope this makes sense. Kind of a basic routine but it is a great strengthening regimen. Don't forget to breathe!!
  • addisondisease
    addisondisease Posts: 664 Member
    I'm a personal trainer and if you are strength training, don't train a muscle group more than 2 times a week. When you train you should do 3 circuits of 3-4 sets of 3 exercises per muscle group. You would do 3 exercises for your quads, 3 for your hamstrings, & 3 for your calves. The first set should be 6 reps and add 2 reps to the next set never going above 12 reps. You should decrease the weight as your reps increase but remember that last rep should be a max out. Start by doing one quad exercise, then a hamstring and so on. By the 3rd week do 2 quads, then 2 hams, then 2 calves. Then the 4th week do all 3 exercises for one muscle group back to back. You want to get to the point where you are moving from one exercise to the other with minimal rest periods. You would rest at least 2 min when you complete a circuit. Hope this makes sense. Kind of a basic routine but it is a great strengthening regimen. Don't forget to breathe!!

    You are a PT and recommending isolating muscles for strength gains? ODD. Could you further explain how isolation and circuit training is a great strengthening regimen?

    Not trying to pick on you, really i am interested.
  • dad106
    dad106 Posts: 4,868 Member
    I'm a personal trainer and if you are strength training, don't train a muscle group more than 2 times a week. When you train you should do 3 circuits of 3-4 sets of 3 exercises per muscle group. You would do 3 exercises for your quads, 3 for your hamstrings, & 3 for your calves. The first set should be 6 reps and add 2 reps to the next set never going above 12 reps. You should decrease the weight as your reps increase but remember that last rep should be a max out. Start by doing one quad exercise, then a hamstring and so on. By the 3rd week do 2 quads, then 2 hams, then 2 calves. Then the 4th week do all 3 exercises for one muscle group back to back. You want to get to the point where you are moving from one exercise to the other with minimal rest periods. You would rest at least 2 min when you complete a circuit. Hope this makes sense. Kind of a basic routine but it is a great strengthening regimen. Don't forget to breathe!!

    You are a PT and recommending isolating muscles for strength gains? ODD.

    In another thread he recommended that the poster do high reps and low weights to lose pounds.. again ODD.

    To OP:
    As long as you hit quads, hams, and calves you should be alright. Don't be afraid to lift heavy... You will not bulk up no matter what anyone says.

    I do split body weight training and do one day of lower, one day of upper and either a full body or upper/lower focus when I'm with my trainer.
  • I'm a personal trainer and if you are strength training, don't train a muscle group more than 2 times a week. When you train you should do 3 circuits of 3-4 sets of 3 exercises per muscle group. You would do 3 exercises for your quads, 3 for your hamstrings, & 3 for your calves. The first set should be 6 reps and add 2 reps to the next set never going above 12 reps. You should decrease the weight as your reps increase but remember that last rep should be a max out. Start by doing one quad exercise, then a hamstring and so on. By the 3rd week do 2 quads, then 2 hams, then 2 calves. Then the 4th week do all 3 exercises for one muscle group back to back. You want to get to the point where you are moving from one exercise to the other with minimal rest periods. You would rest at least 2 min when you complete a circuit. Hope this makes sense. Kind of a basic routine but it is a great strengthening regimen. Don't forget to breathe!!

    You are a PT and recommending isolating muscles for strength gains? ODD. Could you further explain how isolation and circuit training is a great strengthening regimen?

    Not trying to pick on you, really i am interested.
    I learned this in my Biomechanics training and actually I didn't believe it at 1st. I did a very similar 6 week routine for my lower body and got the biggest strength gains ever. Only thing is I did lower body once a week and my weight increased every session. Rest is the big key. You are essentially building strength through power training. Actually, there's a routine like this on bodybuilding.com as well. Not saying this works best for everyone; you can still do the low reps/high weight w/ 2-5 min rest routine but it isn't a full proof routine that everyone will achieve their best gains. I've done this w/ clients as well one which just had back surgery and it proved effective. I recommend circuit training most of the time unless you are strictly trying to hypertrophy.
  • bizco
    bizco Posts: 1,949 Member
    It depends on hard you're training. If the last rep of each set is very difficult to complete then you're training hard (and I hope you are). Hence, 3 days per week with a day of rest in between is ideal.
  • thefuzz1290
    thefuzz1290 Posts: 777 Member
    I think he meant by the high rep comment that if you do that, you shouldn't take longer than a 30 second break to keep the heart rate up. Now for strength training, you need 1-2 minutes between sets to recover so you can lift more weight each time, but that slows your heart rate down, thus not giving you the aerobic effect.
  • I'm a personal trainer and if you are strength training, don't train a muscle group more than 2 times a week. When you train you should do 3 circuits of 3-4 sets of 3 exercises per muscle group. You would do 3 exercises for your quads, 3 for your hamstrings, & 3 for your calves. The first set should be 6 reps and add 2 reps to the next set never going above 12 reps. You should decrease the weight as your reps increase but remember that last rep should be a max out. Start by doing one quad exercise, then a hamstring and so on. By the 3rd week do 2 quads, then 2 hams, then 2 calves. Then the 4th week do all 3 exercises for one muscle group back to back. You want to get to the point where you are moving from one exercise to the other with minimal rest periods. You would rest at least 2 min when you complete a circuit. Hope this makes sense. Kind of a basic routine but it is a great strengthening regimen. Don't forget to breathe!!

    You are a PT and recommending isolating muscles for strength gains? ODD.

    In another thread he recommended that the poster do high reps and low weights to lose pounds.. again ODD.

    To OP:
    As long as you hit quads, hams, and calves you should be alright. Don't be afraid to lift heavy... You will not bulk up no matter what anyone says.

    I do split body weight training and do one day of lower, one day of upper and either a full body or upper/lower focus when I'm with my trainer.
    What odd about it? It's a proven method and believe me in my experience I've seen girls get agitated because they were gaining bulk instead of leaning out. Doing higher reps increases motor recruitment, which in turn makes more muscle fibers fire. Thats where you want to begin and once you plateau that's when you know your routine needs an overhaul. When you jump in lifting heavy you will "damage" a higher % of muscle fibers instead of recruiting them neurologically(i.e. increase motor unit firing rate). It's still inconclusive in the strength and conditioning journals but this is what the basis of the soreness feeling you get may really be; not the muscle repair most believe it to be. The article basically states that soreness should be slightly painful during the beginning stages of your training, and then be almost non-existent going forward. You're suppose to use your level of soreness as a gauge on if you're training correctly or too vigourously, but starting with endurance strength training was a key. Why do you think your strength rapidly increases in the early stages of a proper resistance training program? Motor recruitment. This is more for guys, but if I said you would gain more strength by doing push-ups instead of the good ol' bench press you would probably say thats ODD too. Phsyiology would agree, those fitness mags that have ads every other page would say NO WAY!! Like I said in another post there's no one routine that works for everyone, I'm just offering my opinion from my experience in the years of training I've done.
  • dad106
    dad106 Posts: 4,868 Member
    I'm a personal trainer and if you are strength training, don't train a muscle group more than 2 times a week. When you train you should do 3 circuits of 3-4 sets of 3 exercises per muscle group. You would do 3 exercises for your quads, 3 for your hamstrings, & 3 for your calves. The first set should be 6 reps and add 2 reps to the next set never going above 12 reps. You should decrease the weight as your reps increase but remember that last rep should be a max out. Start by doing one quad exercise, then a hamstring and so on. By the 3rd week do 2 quads, then 2 hams, then 2 calves. Then the 4th week do all 3 exercises for one muscle group back to back. You want to get to the point where you are moving from one exercise to the other with minimal rest periods. You would rest at least 2 min when you complete a circuit. Hope this makes sense. Kind of a basic routine but it is a great strengthening regimen. Don't forget to breathe!!

    You are a PT and recommending isolating muscles for strength gains? ODD.

    In another thread he recommended that the poster do high reps and low weights to lose pounds.. again ODD.

    To OP:
    As long as you hit quads, hams, and calves you should be alright. Don't be afraid to lift heavy... You will not bulk up no matter what anyone says.

    I do split body weight training and do one day of lower, one day of upper and either a full body or upper/lower focus when I'm with my trainer.
    What odd about it? It's a proven method and believe me in my experience I've seen girls get agitated because they were gaining bulk instead of leaning out. Doing higher reps increases motor recruitment, which in turn makes more muscle fibers fire. Thats where you want to begin and once you plateau that's when you know your routine needs an overhaul. When you jump in lifting heavy you will "damage" a higher % of muscle fibers instead of recruiting them neurologically(i.e. increase motor unit firing rate). It's still inconclusive in the strength and conditioning journals but this is what the basis of the soreness feeling you get may really be; not the muscle repair most believe it to be. The article basically states that soreness should be slightly painful during the beginning stages of your training, and then be almost non-existent going forward. You're suppose to use your level of soreness as a gauge on if you're training correctly or too vigourously, but starting with endurance strength training was a key. Why do you think your strength rapidly increases in the early stages of a proper resistance training program? Motor recruitment. This is more for guys, but if I said you would gain more strength by doing push-ups instead of the good ol' bench press you would probably say thats ODD too. Phsyiology would agree, those fitness mags that have ads every other page would say NO WAY!! Like I said in another post there's no one routine that works for everyone, I'm just offering my opinion from my experience in the years of training I've done.

    I'm not sure what girls you we're training but in my experience(and most everyone else's on the site) girls can't bulk.. esp if they are eating at a deficit.. it's impossible. Can they burn away the fat so the definition shows more? Yes.. but that's not bulking in the traditional sense.

    9 times outta 10 when I leave my trainer.. I'm sore. are you saying that shouldn't be? To me, my soreness is a sign that he's challenging my body in new ways.. and I've been seeing 3 different trainers for a little over a year now.

    Post that article if you don't mind.. I'd like to see it.
  • I'm a personal trainer and if you are strength training, don't train a muscle group more than 2 times a week. When you train you should do 3 circuits of 3-4 sets of 3 exercises per muscle group. You would do 3 exercises for your quads, 3 for your hamstrings, & 3 for your calves. The first set should be 6 reps and add 2 reps to the next set never going above 12 reps. You should decrease the weight as your reps increase but remember that last rep should be a max out. Start by doing one quad exercise, then a hamstring and so on. By the 3rd week do 2 quads, then 2 hams, then 2 calves. Then the 4th week do all 3 exercises for one muscle group back to back. You want to get to the point where you are moving from one exercise to the other with minimal rest periods. You would rest at least 2 min when you complete a circuit. Hope this makes sense. Kind of a basic routine but it is a great strengthening regimen. Don't forget to breathe!!

    You are a PT and recommending isolating muscles for strength gains? ODD.

    In another thread he recommended that the poster do high reps and low weights to lose pounds.. again ODD.

    To OP:
    As long as you hit quads, hams, and calves you should be alright. Don't be afraid to lift heavy... You will not bulk up no matter what anyone says.

    I do split body weight training and do one day of lower, one day of upper and either a full body or upper/lower focus when I'm with my trainer.
    What odd about it? It's a proven method and believe me in my experience I've seen girls get agitated because they were gaining bulk instead of leaning out. Doing higher reps increases motor recruitment, which in turn makes more muscle fibers fire. Thats where you want to begin and once you plateau that's when you know your routine needs an overhaul. When you jump in lifting heavy you will "damage" a higher % of muscle fibers instead of recruiting them neurologically(i.e. increase motor unit firing rate). It's still inconclusive in the strength and conditioning journals but this is what the basis of the soreness feeling you get may really be; not the muscle repair most believe it to be. The article basically states that soreness should be slightly painful during the beginning stages of your training, and then be almost non-existent going forward. You're suppose to use your level of soreness as a gauge on if you're training correctly or too vigourously, but starting with endurance strength training was a key. Why do you think your strength rapidly increases in the early stages of a proper resistance training program? Motor recruitment. This is more for guys, but if I said you would gain more strength by doing push-ups instead of the good ol' bench press you would probably say thats ODD too. Phsyiology would agree, those fitness mags that have ads every other page would say NO WAY!! Like I said in another post there's no one routine that works for everyone, I'm just offering my opinion from my experience in the years of training I've done.

    I'm not sure what girls you we're training but in my experience(and most everyone else's on the site) girls can't bulk.. esp if they are eating at a deficit.. it's impossible. Can they burn away the fat so the definition shows more? Yes.. but that's not bulking in the traditional sense.

    9 times outta 10 when I leave my trainer.. I'm sore. are you saying that shouldn't be? To me, my soreness is a sign that he's challenging my body in new ways.. and I've been seeing 3 different trainers for a little over a year now.

    Post that article if you don't mind.. I'd like to see it.
    Impossible? If it was impossible there wouldn't be woman bodybuilders, powerlifters etc..I never said anything about girls I've trained, I said I've SEEN cases of built muscle mass. It's ridiculous to think muscle tone comes from burning fat only. I've taken the measurements and seen the upper leg, arm, shoulder width growth and this is with bodyfat comp decreases in women in my experience and research so tell me why you think the body isn't transformed by muscle growth?

    Again, you misunderstood the soreness issue. It's still an INCONCLUSIVE report and still to this day soreness is not fully understood in the fitness and medical field. I never said anything about you should never be sore. Read the post again. As far as the article, it is in the Strength and Conditioning Journal I receive quarterly by mail for being a certified member of the NSCA. I don't believe these articles are posted online. If you want I can give you the issue, volume, researcher if need be but most of those volumes are in Austin and I'm working on the coast now. Your entitled to your opinion. Every trainer is different, but I offer my educational opinion being I work in the fitness field and the medical field as a rehab specialist as well and am required to continually educate myself further to keep my credentials up to date.
  • JoyfullMovement
    JoyfullMovement Posts: 108 Member
    Skullcrusher, I understand many of the things you mention.. Sounds like you do a great job staying up to date. With my age, I have seen many changes in fitness over the years and do know there are many different methods. Thank you for offering your advice on this site. I hope you continue to do so. I may not try every method I hear about but like to learn along the way and have choices when needing to change things up. Just to chime in on the bulking up thing to some who say women can't bulk up. What is not bulking up to some may feel like it to others. Of course women can build muscle mass. Take two people adding the same amount of mass, one may love it and one may feel it is too much bulk. I even had a male friend, who was very very lean, tell me he didn't want to bulk up and liked how he felt. Please keep sharing the info.
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