Diet soda ?
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Diet soda will NOT make you fat! If you like it, drink it. Keep in mind everything in moderation. 10 diet sodas a day = bad for you. I have one or 2 at the most a day. It's a treat :drinker:0
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I was told by a trainer that drinking diet soda makes you crave sugar. I'm a SWEET FREAK, so I thought I would try to cut out diet soda for the new year. Haven't had one in 26 days. The first two weeks were killer when I heard someone pop a can open... I felt like a vampire craving a young virgins neck!!! But I finally got thru it and just drink a lot more ice water now and when we eat out. That same trainer also said she would rather have people have an occasional regular soda rather then drink diet, so I guess I kind of believe most of info about diet soda. Another problem I had when I drank diet soda is I thought I would have to have a snack with it... well hellllooo... kinda defeats the purpose!0
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I stopped drinking diet soda last week because I thought the artificial sweeteners were increasing my appetite, but then I just read this:
"Aspartame is a well-studied sweetener whose safety is clearly
documented and well established through extensive laboratory
testing, animal experiments, epidemiological studies, and human
clinical trials.
Controlled and thorough scientific studies confirm aspartame’s
safety and find no credible link between consumption
of aspartame at levels found in the human diet and conditions
related to the nervous system and behavior, nor any other symptom
or illness.
Aspartame is well documented to be nongenotoxic and there
is no credible evidence that aspartame is carcinogenic.
Aspartame does not increase hunger in those who use it; to
the contrary, studies indicate it might be an effective tool as part
of an overall weight management program.
Aspartame is a well-characterized, thoroughly studied, highintensity
sweetener that has a long history of safe use in the food
supply and can help reduce the caloric content of a wide variety
of foods."
Citation:
Magnuson, B. A., Burdock, G. A., Doull, J. J., Kroes, R. M., Marsh, G. M., Pariza, M. W., & ... Williams, G. M. (2007). Aspartame: A Safety Evaluation Based on Current Use Levels, Regulations, and Toxicological and Epidemiological Studies. Critical Reviews In Toxicology, 37(8), 629-727.
I feel better after giving it up, though. Maybe that's a placebo effect? Anyway, I bought Zevia which is sweetened with stevia. Try it sometime if you're looking for zero calorie soda alternatives.0 -
Well then there might be a problem since fruits and vegetables have sugar naturally in them.And because I know Sir ninerbuff is going to attack what I just said...
To be sure.. what I'm saying is, stay away from ANY sugars, and ANY processed foods for your BEST chance at losing weight and keeping it off. If you like Diet Coke, which I LOVE, then f'ing drink it. If you deny yourself what you want, you run the risk of giving up on weight loss goals. I'm simply saying that optimal weight loss and future success will come from cutting out processed foods and sugar.
Restriction doesn't work. This is why many people who get close to or even reach goal, regain. They've restricted long enough to reach a goal then really, really want foods they like, but kept it out till their goal.
Seen it over time and time again.
The best chance at losing weight and keeping it off is to LEARN how to eat the foods you enjoy within reason. When you learn how to do that, then you have a great chance at maintaining weight.
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This debate really, really irritates me. I see "facts" about how terrible diet drinks are for you bandied around all the time on these forums, and they're all basically the same, 'Oh the chemicals! Won't somebody think of the chemicals!" type nonsense.
Diet sodas have a very small amount of calories. They are pleasurable to drink. They are acidic, sure, but so are many other food stuffs.
All food contains chemicals, whether put there by nature or by factory line. There is absolutely no evidence that it makes people crave sweet foods. There is no evidence that, as a blanket statement, it makes anyone crave anything at all.
If you don't like it, that's fine. Drinking water is excellent for hydration, good on you. But so is Diet Coke.0 -
This trainer believes in science, so I don't believe drinking it would make people crave sugar. I have several clients who are losing weight while drinking their diet drinks. And my clients are happy.I was told by a trainer that drinking diet soda makes you crave sugar. I'm a SWEET FREAK, so I thought I would try to cut out diet soda for the new year. Haven't had one in 26 days. The first two weeks were killer when I heard someone pop a can open... I felt like a vampire craving a young virgins neck!!! But I finally got thru it and just drink a lot more ice water now and when we eat out. That same trainer also said she would rather have people have an occasional regular soda rather then drink diet, so I guess I kind of believe most of info about diet soda. Another problem I had when I drank diet soda is I thought I would have to have a snack with it... well hellllooo... kinda defeats the purpose!
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Well then there might be a problem since fruits and vegetables have sugar naturally in them.And because I know Sir ninerbuff is going to attack what I just said...
To be sure.. what I'm saying is, stay away from ANY sugars, and ANY processed foods for your BEST chance at losing weight and keeping it off. If you like Diet Coke, which I LOVE, then f'ing drink it. If you deny yourself what you want, you run the risk of giving up on weight loss goals. I'm simply saying that optimal weight loss and future success will come from cutting out processed foods and sugar.
Restriction doesn't work. This is why many people who get close to or even reach goal, regain. They've restricted long enough to reach a goal then really, really want foods they like, but kept it out till their goal.
Seen it over time and time again.
The best chance at losing weight and keeping it off is to LEARN how to eat the foods you enjoy within reason. When you learn how to do that, then you have a great chance at maintaining weight.
SURELY, you knew I wasn't referring to fruits and vegetables. And that's basically what I just said niner.. If you like it drink it. If you like it eat it.. But processed foods and sugar should be avoided when possible.0 -
Well it's not really a debate because normally you'd have to have evidence to back what's been stated. Unfortunately many of the "anti" diet soda people use anecdotes and listen to the "health police" who are inundated with a lot of pseudoscience.This debate really, really irritates me. I see "facts" about how terrible diet drinks are for you bandied around all the time on these forums, and they're all basically the same, 'Oh the chemicals! Won't somebody think of the chemicals!" type nonsense.
Diet sodas have a very small amount of calories. They are pleasurable to drink. They are acidic, sure, but so are many other food stuffs.
All food contains chemicals, whether put there by nature or by factory line. There is absolutely no evidence that it makes people crave sweet foods. There is no evidence that, as a blanket statement, it makes anyone crave anything at all.
If you don't like it, that's fine. Drinking water is excellent for hydration, good on you. But so is Diet Coke.
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When you say ANY sugar, then I would think that you were on nothing but an Atkins or pure paleo diet. Yes there are people who totally believe you don't need ANY carbs at all. And in reality carbs are non essential for life.SURELY, you knew I wasn't referring to fruits and vegetables. And that's basically what I just said niner.. If you like it drink it. If you like it eat it.. But processed foods and sugar should be avoided when possible.
And there's no evidence that avoiding processed foods or sugar will ensure better weight loss than those who do eat them. I'm more than sure that there are many, many successful members here who eat sugar and processed foods who have gotten great results.
Let's keep it real. Weight loss is about calorie deficit more than anything else. You can lose weight eating Twinkies. You can lose weight eating McDonald's.
But to those who are "naturalists" the only way to do it is naturally.
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Articles aren't evidence. Peer reviewed clinical studies are.The artificial sweetener in the diet soda is terrible for you. Try your best to stay away from it.
If you have any type of headaches at all the artificial sweetener is probably to blame.
This is a pretty good article about the pros and cons of artificial sweetners: http://www.medicinenet.com/artificial_sweeteners/article.htm
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True, ninerbuff, true. Go to your local library or university to access their databases in order to find academic studies on these topics. WebMD and Livestrong.com aren't academic sources, sorry.0 -
These forums are frustrating for exactly this reason btw..
Again... that's why we have a LIVER.. it filters out harmful chemicals. And yes they are in everything. But the harder it works to filter
these out, the less it is able to breakdown fat. All I'm saying is, cutting these out or minimizing their consumption is the way to go. Is it really necessary to cite an anatomy textbook?
And for the record... I LOVE DIET COKE.0 -
These forums are frustrating for exactly this reason btw..
Again... that's why we have a LIVER.. it filters out harmful chemicals. And yes they are in everything. But the harder it works to filter
these out, the less it is able to breakdown fat. All I'm saying is, cutting these out or minimizing their consumption is the way to go. Is it really necessary to cite an anatomy textbook?
And for the record... I LOVE DIET COKE.
It's necessary for people to know results from scientific studies rather than anecdotal evidence, yes. But I agree. I've cut down my diet soda consumption. They're chemically engineered ingredients. I don't see the point in consuming artificial sweeteners if there are alternatives or if you know how to control your portions with real sugar.0 -
When you say ANY sugar, then I would think that you were on nothing but an Atkins or pure paleo diet. Yes there are people who totally believe you don't need ANY carbs at all. And in reality carbs are non essential for life.SURELY, you knew I wasn't referring to fruits and vegetables. And that's basically what I just said niner.. If you like it drink it. If you like it eat it.. But processed foods and sugar should be avoided when possible.
And there's no evidence that avoiding processed foods or sugar will ensure better weight loss than those who do eat them. I'm more than sure that there are many, many successful members here who eat sugar and processed foods who have gotten great results.
Let's keep it real. Weight loss is about calorie deficit more than anything else. You can lose weight eating Twinkies. You can lose weight eating McDonald's.
But to those who are "naturalists" the only way to do it is naturally.
Well there you go then.. Go ahead and tell people to eat what ever they want but to just eat less of it. I'm talking about living a healthy lifestyle. Problem solved.0 -
Your assumption is that the chemicals are harmful. Look up phenylalanine. Look up citric acid. Look up caffeine. Then realize all the natural foods that have these chemicals in them.These forums are frustrating for exactly this reason btw..
Again... that's why we have a LIVER.. it filters out harmful chemicals. And yes they are in everything. But the harder it works to filter
these out, the less it is able to breakdown fat. All I'm saying is, cutting these out or minimizing their consumption is the way to go. Is it really necessary to cite an anatomy textbook?
And for the record... I LOVE DIET COKE.
The liver is much more resilient than you're leading on to. Unless one is suffering from liver disease, the functions that it carries on in daily life can't be duplicated by a single machine.
And Diet Pepsi is better than Diet Coke...................
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Living a healthy lifestyle can be done eating processed foods and sugar. Don't understand why you don't think it can be done.Well there you go then.. Go ahead and tell people to eat what ever they want but to just eat less of it. I'm talking about living a healthy lifestyle. Problem solved.
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I’m NOT saying that all chemicals are bad. Like I said, THAT’S WHAT YOUR LIVER IS THERE FOR. Of course there are chemicals in almost everything. Again, liver. But if you’re trying to lose weight, you want your liver to work as hard as possible to breakdown fat. If it’s working too hard to breakdown all the chemicals your shoving in your mouth, it will be less capable of breaking down fat. And as I said earlier, it depends on your own liver’s efficiency.
I’m also not saying that a healthy lifestyle cannot be achieved eating processed foods or as you suggest, twinkies and Mc Donalds. What I’m saying is your OPTIMAL weight loss/HEALTH will likely come from minimizing your consumption of these items. Anything in moderation is fine.
And btw.. Diet Coke pisses Diet Pepsi. :drinker:0 -
if you can't pronounce the ingredients... then it doesn't belong in your body.
So you're saying that people with a background in chemistry can drink diet soda, since they can pronounce the ingredients, but those without such and education cannot?
woo hoo! I can drink diet soda!! So glad I took AP Chemistry in HS and College
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I have learn 2 things so far in the Exercise world.
1. Commercials on TV for exercise equipment have taught me that if I use them I will gain muscle faster than humanly possible, get a wicked tan and lose all body hair
2. People on MFP forums have taught me the minute I become healthy I must deem all Sodas in the world as tasting horrible, they are poisonous and that I must tell everyone in sight that they are crazy for even thinking about tasting one.0 -
I have learn 2 things so far in the Exercise world.
1. Commercials on TV for exercise equipment have taught me that if I use them I will gain muscle faster than humanly possible, get a wicked tan and lose all body hair
2. People on MFP forums have taught me the minute I become healthy I must deem all Sodas in the world as tasting horrible, they are poisonous and that I must tell everyone in sight that they are crazy for even thinking about tasting one.
BEAUTIFUL:flowerforyou: 0 -
Everything you eat is a chemical. How your body reacts to it depends on your genetics. Fat breaks down even before making it to the liver. The liver breaking down fat further works INDEPENDENTLY from break down of consumed foods, so it's not working too hard.Last post because I just can’t stand this…
I’m NOT saying that all chemicals are bad. Like I said, THAT’S WHAT YOUR LIVER IS THERE FOR. Of course there are chemicals in almost everything. Again, liver. But if you’re trying to lose weight, you want your liver to work as hard as possible to breakdown fat. If it’s working too hard to breakdown all the chemicals your shoving in your mouth, it will be less capable of breaking down fat. And as I said earlier, it depends on your own liver’s efficiency.
I’m also not saying that a healthy lifestyle cannot be achieved eating processed foods or as you suggest, twinkies and Mc Donalds. What I’m saying is your OPTIMAL weight loss/HEALTH will likely come from minimizing your consumption of these items. Anything in moderation is fine.
And btw.. Diet Coke pisses Diet Pepsi. :drinker:
I believe we are on the same track, just that our philosophy on how the liver works conflict.
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I reserve soda for nights out like dinner or the movies. I found with drinking water over soda I lose more weight.0
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You guys can have your diet soda or all soda in particular. Just don't get addicted to it, don't get hooked. If you drink enough of that stuff you'll start getting headaches. Worst time of my life was soda withdrawal over a week period when I gave it up. It is a serious thing just like if someone is addicted to heroin. Not the same side effects but I can say that any sort of advil or tylenol you name it did not get rid of the pain I was in. Soda can go to hell.0
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This is anecdotal. If you have NO EVIDENCE to prove it, then it's based on solely your own experience which makes it anecdotal.You guys can have your diet soda or all soda in particular. Just don't get addicted to it, don't get hooked. If you drink enough of that stuff you'll start getting headaches. Worst time of my life was soda withdrawal over a week period when I gave it up. It is a serious thing just like if someone is addicted to heroin. Not the same side effects but I can say that any sort of advil or tylenol you name it did not get rid of the pain I was in. Soda can go to hell.
I've never gotten a headache from diet or regular soda, but I do get them from all the bogus information I hear on the forums.
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You're liver doesn't break down artificial sweeteners or high fructose corn syrup. Aspartame is broken down in the intestine like any other protein, and absorbed like any other protein, and high fructose corn syrup is digested and absorbed by the intestine, just like any other sugar, since it's basically sucrose on a molecular level. Also, just because you can't pronounce it, doesn't mean your body doesn't know what it is. You mentioned "one ingredient foods." There's no such thing. "Egg" is what we call it, but it's a substance made up of hundreds of various chemicals that are just as difficult to pronounce as anything you might read on the side of a can of soda. Same with chicken, steak, apples, tomatoes, or anything else we eat and drink. The liver filters the blood, no food you eat makes it into your blood stream, it is completely broken down in the digestive system first.I AM NOT A DIETITIAN... but....TBH you'd be better off drinking 1 normal coke and sacrificing the calories than you would be from a diet-coke. The same reason you take the real sugar over the fake sweet-n-low. You don't know whats really in it. It's not that great for you. I found myself still getting a soda gut from diet so I gave it up all together and loving the results.
I agree with this.. And for the insulin argument.. Insulin DOES signal your body to store fat.
And BTW.. It depends on the effectiveness of your liver. Your liver is responsible for breaking down fat and filtering out harmful substances. Bottom line, read the ingredient labels.. if you don't know what it is than either does your liver. If it has to work too hard to breakdown artificial sweeteners, high fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils, etc... then it doesn't have time to breakdown fat. Your best bet is to eat ONE ingredient foods. Eggs, chicken, steak even... I'm not saying Diet coke will make you gain weight, it might not even make it harder to lose, but if you can't pronounce the ingredients... then it doesn't belong in your body.
And by all means.. if you disagree, have at it. But if you're going to seek out a professional opinion, speak to a DIETITIAN.
By the way, chicken, steaks, and eggs all have naturally occurring aspartame in them, aspartic acid and phenylalanine are both amino acids that are found in all of them, generally in much higher concentrations than a can of Diet Coke.0 -
It's bad on several fronts
- Spikes insulin levels for weight loss
- Has key ingredient which should never of been approved by FDA.
I am trying to break the addiction at the moment.0 -
Where's the actual Clinical data supporting this claim? I for one would like to see it instead of it being said out of opinion.It's bad on several fronts
- Spikes insulin levels for weight loss
- Has key ingredient which should never of been approved by FDA.
I am trying to break the addiction at the moment.
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I adore Diet Coke/ Pepsi (I'm not picky) and I used to drink one (at least) every day. That was when I was at my thinnest, healthiest mind and body. Currently, I drink them occasionally (admittedly I'm going to go buy a case today and probably have more than one) and have been losing weight consistently. I LOVE the stuff and the only thing that contributed to my weight gain was a bum knee, a bit of depression, and wine and cheese.
With that being said, I've never had a huge sweet tooth so the idea that diet soda triggers a desire for sweets hasn't applied to me- I like salty/crunchy things more. If I had a sweet tooth, maybe my experiences would be different.
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Well, it's definitely a personal choice to drink it, but the aspartame in it is not good for you at all. I won't judge you or anyone else, though, if you have a diet soda. Some people just want different things and that's okay.
If I drink it that tends to be all I drink; I've replaced the soda with water. I will say, though, that I feel hungrier when I drink it. For example, not long ago I was sitting at work one day and had an empty stomach (I struggle to eat breakfast), so I drank a diet soda and immediately felt ravenous. My stomach was growling like crazy! That was my personal experience.0 -
Articles aren't evidence. Peer reviewed clinical studies are.The artificial sweetener in the diet soda is terrible for you. Try your best to stay away from it.
If you have any type of headaches at all the artificial sweetener is probably to blame.
This is a pretty good article about the pros and cons of artificial sweetners: http://www.medicinenet.com/artificial_sweeteners/article.htm
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You're talking to someone who is severely allergic to artificial sweetener. I believe it.0 -
I drink diet only and only when its an option. Other times I opt for crystal light in a lemonade or tea flavor.0
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