Yeast/Mold Control Diet

NicoWoodruff
NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
edited November 2024 in Food and Nutrition
Hi everyone, I was curious to see opinions on this.

First a little background: I've been following something between paleo and the zone for awhile and eating pretty clean. I've been exercising and stretching a lot too and losing weight. A big motivation for me is to feel more wellbeing and have stronger knees. I started off at 157 at my heaviest and am now am 134.5.. halfway to my goal weight!

I've been seeing a Shiatsu practitioner for awesome massages that have been very helpful both to my stress level and helpful to the weakness and pain in my knees. I've come to trust this practitioner as he really knows his stuff with Shiatsu and has made me feel tons better. Yesterday he gave me some dietary recommendations that he feels will further help my achey joints and will also help with how I react to stress. He says a diet that eliminates yeast and mold containing foods is what I need to help my adrenal glands function better and have less aches and pains, diets high in yeast and mold foods create achey joints and irritability.

The recommendations are not too far off from the way I was already eating, but I do have to give up some of my favorites (black tea, honey, mushrooms, wine) but he says even if I just do it for 6 weeks and see if it makes a difference, then I can reintroduce some of the banned foods and see if they bring symptoms back.. and if so I'll know which foods are causing me issues.

This is close to what they call the "Candida Control Diet" although his version is a little different as he allows some things that I see elsewhere are banned on Candida Control. He says if I had different issues like glycemic problems he'd suggest a different diet without the whole grains, but here are the recommendations he's made to me personally:


FOODS YOU CAN EAT:

Beverages: Water, sparkling water, veggie juice, coconut milk, unsweetened almond milk, unsweetened hemp milk

Meat: (Organic, local and grass fed are best) fish, duck, chicken, cornish hen, turkey, lamb, rabbit, pheasant, pork, beef, eggs, (all seafood) tuna, fresh fish, clam, lobster, shrimp, crab, oysters

All fresh or frozen veggies including but not limited to: aparagus, beans, beets, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, carrots, cauliflower, celery, corn, greens (collards, mustard, kale etc) cucumbers, eggplant, legumes, lettuce, onions, parsley, peas, radishes, red potatoes, tomatoes (fresh), squash (acorn, summer, winter, zucchini, etc) okra, parsnip, peppers (green, hot, etc), spinach, sweet potatoes, turnips. (The only "veggies" to avoid are sprouts and mushrooms)

Whole Grains: quinoa, amaranth, spelt, wild rice, rye, millet, barley, brown rice, corn, oats, wheat, ezekiel bread, plain corn tortillas, and (sparingly) pasta made from quinoa, brown rice and kamut

Fruit (avoid fruit the first 2 weeks then can add back but only one serving of fruit per day, all fruit eaten by itself without other foods present. Best are granny smith apples, cranberries, raspberries, blackberries (any berries) pineapple, coconut, grapefruit, avocado, mango, banana, nectarine, peach, orange, pear, papaya, apricot

Nuts, seeds and unprocessed oils: almonds = first choice! brazil nuts, cashews, filberts, pecans, pumpkin seeds

Oils (cold pressed) almond, apricot, avocado, coconut, olive, butter, safflower, sesame, grapeseed

Sweeteners (try to avoid totally if you can) Stevia or Xylitol only otherwise.


FOODS TO AVOID:

Fruit Juices: either canned bottled or frozen

Coffee and Tea: regular coffee instant coffee, decaf coffee and black teas

Processed foods: packaged and processed goods containing yeast and refined sugar. Also avoid enriched flour products

Processed and smoked meats: pickled and smoked meats or fish, including sausages, hot dogs, corned beef, pastrami, ham lunch meats and pickled tongue

Melons: watermelon, honeydew melon, and especially cantaloupe

Edible fungi: all types of mushrooms, morels, and truffles.

Cheeses/Dairy: milk (cow or goat), cheese (ALL types including cottage cheese, cream cheese, powdered cheese etc), No buttermilk, sour cream or any other sour milk products

Yeast: brewer's yeast, baker's yeast, vitamins, minerals, unless labeled "yeast free" and "sugar free"

Antibiotics: avoid ALL antibiotics if possible

Nuts: peanuts and pistachios usually contain mold which feeds yeast

Sugar: avoid all sugar containing foods and sweeteners including honey

Alcohol, avoid fermented liquors and liqueurs, brand beverages such as cider and root beer also. Alcohol is pure sugar which feeds yeast.

Malt products: milk drinks, cereals, and candy

Condiments, sauces, and vinegar containing foods: mustard, ketchup, worcestershire, MSG, steak sauce, BBQ sauce, chili, cocktail sauce, soy sauce, pickles, pickled veggies, relishes, green olives, sauerkraut, horseradish, mince meat, tamari. Freshly squeezed lemon juice may be used as a substitute for vinegar or soy sauce.

Dried and candied fruits: ALL dried fruits including apricots, dates, prunes, figs, and pineapple

Leftovers: minute amounts of mold grow quickly in left over food unless properly refrigerated, freezing leftovers is better.

Pasta: Avoid all pasta and macaroni products including those made from wheat and spelt.


A good typical meal would be a palm sized portion of lean meat with a generous portion of raw and cooked veggies, a small portion of whole grains, and a handful of nuts (not peanuts or pistachios) and an herbal tea.


Interested to hear the group mind's opinion. Thanks in advance!

Replies

  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    I figured a bunch of people would at least jump in to tell me they think it's too restrictive or they could never live without X, Y, or Z. LOL. Was also hoping to hear from people who may be yeast/mold sensitive and attempting a similar dietary approach. Well, at any rate, I'm starting a 6 week challenge to follow it strictly, starting today. So wish me luck!!!
  • ajbeans
    ajbeans Posts: 2,857 Member
    Thanks for posting this. I'm working my way into a candida control diet, but it's been difficult so far. I appreciate the list of foods -- that's very helpful!
  • bhalter
    bhalter Posts: 582 Member
    Very interesting. I had to go on a Candida Control diet a few years ago and it worked wonders for my health. I recently had an allergy panel done and discovered I am highly allergic to mold. I wonder if cutting out some of these foods would help. Sometime to think about - thanks for posting the list! You'll have to let us all know how you do!
  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    You're welcome ajbeans. Although I've noticed that candida control diet allows pasta made from spelt and wheat, but my practitioner told me no on those. only pasta made out of quinoa, brown rice, or kamut, and then only sparingly. Also, candida control limits certain veggies as well as beans and grains, but my practitioner told me no problem on those. I've been trying to do the paleo thing so I still plan to limit beans and grains some but I'm a little less likely to totally avoid them now with these recommendations. Really I seem to have no problem with whole grains as far as digestion or anything, I think I have been having too many beans/grains/cheese in my diet in recent time in general. So it's mostly lean meat and veggies for me for awhile. I can come up with a lot of variety with that though.
  • ECA67
    ECA67 Posts: 802 Member
    I'm very allergic to molds also. A few years ago I decided to use Dr. Beckers diet for candida because every time I would eat my tummy would swell up like as if I were pregnant. It was very restrictive and I only stayed on it for two months. One good side effect of the yeast free diet was I lost seventeen pounds. But after I got back to eating suger again all the symptoms returned. I had to be on antifungal medication for a while. That sounds diabetic but it was just my allery to molds. Good luck !
  • SwankyTomato
    SwankyTomato Posts: 442 Member
    Interesting list. I know I should be on that diet as well because I have digestive yeast issues.

    Interesting point of knowledge, I know someone who started a MAOI drug and their diet has to be the same way and it is even worse than your list.

    Thanks for sharing & good luck!
  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    Thanks for the support! So far so good, breakfast today was a chunk of salmon cooked in olive oil and lemon on a bed of lettuce.. lemon water and an unsweetened green tea.

    A nice breakfast actually, high protein, low carb, low fat but has good fat, it's paleo and no yeast/mold all at the same time! :love: :heart: It's going to be interesting to see how this affects my cooking style.

    I'm by myself for the moment which makes it easier. When my family comes back from a ski trip I'm sure it'll be harder to avoid temptation but I'm going to do my best.

    I really want to see if doing this strict will improve my mood and weak knees.
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    FOODS TO AVOID:

    Any diet that has this blanket statement can automatically be considered complete and utter bull****.
  • 6mimi
    6mimi Posts: 1,432 Member
    I have fibromyalsia, restless leg syndrome and get migraines. A specialist recently told me to do this diet as well and said it may really help. I haven't started yet because it is so restrictive and I love to cook all kinds of foods for my family. I think if I was just cooking for me it would not be so difficult, but it would be tough cooking for a family of four. That being said, I think I am soon going to give it a try for at least six weeks and see how I feel. The specialist says she eats this diet and can tell a huge difference. Good luck to you!
  • Years ago I had a problem with Yeast... read an excellent book... The Yeast Syndrom. The diet prescribed was called the MEVY diet. It was a 3 week yeast starving diet. Basically, Yeast is normally found in the intestinal tract & needs sugar to grow. So when one's diet is too sugar or carbohydrate dense the Yeast begins to grow & infest other areas of the body... think outside of the annoying female Yeast Infection, there's athlete's foot, jock itch & smelly - raw armpits & groin areas just to name a few. Yeast overgrowth can be a real nightmare. The diet was simple... Meat, Eggs, Vegetables & Yogurt - MEVY. After 3 weeks you are to add back some carbs in the form of starchy veggies like corn, carrots & potatoes. Then eventually add back in complex carbs in normal portions.
    It worked wonderfully.... a difficult diet to stay on for any length of time though as it is quite restricting. On the up side, I literally lost a pound a day! Good Luck!!!
  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    I totally disagree with you RonSwanson66. Some people need restrictive diets to maintain health issues. Try telling a diabetic or someone like that they shouldn't have an avoid list and they'll laugh in your face. PS your comment was not helpful in the slightest.

    Thanks so much everyone else though, interesting hearing others experiences with it.
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    Years ago I had a problem with Yeast... read an excellent book... The Yeast Syndrom. The diet prescribed was called the MEVY diet. It was a 3 week yeast starving diet. Basically, Yeast is normally found in the intestinal tract & needs sugar to grow. So when one's diet is too sugar or carbohydrate dense the Yeast begins to grow & infest other areas of the body... think outside of the annoying female Yeast Infection, there's athlete's foot, jock itch & smelly - raw armpits & groin areas just to name a few. Yeast overgrowth can be a real nightmare. The diet was simple... Meat, Eggs, Vegetables & Yogurt - MEVY. After 3 weeks you are to add back some carbs in the form of starchy veggies like corn, carrots & potatoes. Then eventually add back in complex carbs in normal portions.
    It worked wonderfully.... a difficult diet to stay on for any length of time though as it is quite restricting. On the up side, I literally lost a pound a day! Good Luck!!!

    So much woo.
    Wrong. Candida does colonize about 90% of the population, but as part of the normal ecosystem. Most people do not have a problem with candida overgrowth. There is also no evidence that candida causes hundreds of health problems. This is a pseudoscientific claim that is not uncommon among sectarian practitioners. Candida overgrowth is a popular “fake” diagnosis that fits the common pattern – claims that it causes common non-specific symptoms and hundreds of real health problems, so that it can be diagnosed in anybody.

    While candida can cause real infections, it can be treated with antifungals and usually presents only an acute illness that can be cured. Some people do have problems with recurrent infections. But there is no evidence that chronic candidiasis is an epidemic or can cause many disparate conditions. This concept of candidiasis is used as a “theory of everything”, popular among medical pseudosciences.

    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/pseudoscience-in-medical-news-at-the-huffington-post/
  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    Uh yea, just go on antifungal meds rather than change your diets.. be a tool for big pharma. Not me.

    I know other people who have changed their diets to help and even fix their osteo arthritis that runs in my family. Some of us are just smart that way.
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    I totally disagree with you RonSwanson66. Some people need restrictive diets to maintain health issues. Try telling a diabetic or someone like that they shouldn't have an avoid list and they'll laugh in your face.


    Individuals with specific heath problems can have diet restrictions prescribed by specialists.




    This is not the same as pseudoscientific nonsense prescribed by the hippie that rubs your back.
  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    Healing art of Shiatsu is thousands of years older than big pharma medicine practices. Just go away RonSwanson66. I would also dare you to call the big muscular african martial artist man who "rubs my back" a hippy. Hehee, that would be fun to watch.
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    Healing art of Shiatsu is thousands of years older than big pharma medicine practices. Just go away RonSwanson66.

    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


    Compare the average life expectancy before and after the advent of modern medicine and you'll see how well this hippie bull**** holds up.
  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    That's fine RonSwanson66, keep eating what FDA and Monsanto tells you to and see how long your own life expectancy is compared to us hippies. Enjoy your moldy foods!
  • AEB_WV
    AEB_WV Posts: 323 Member
    I think he actually IS Ron Swanson lol
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    . Enjoy your moldy foods!

    I will.

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  • ajbeans
    ajbeans Posts: 2,857 Member
    Don't bother responding. He has an opinion, and he's entitled to it. He is not, however, entitled to be a *kitten* about it. He's just trying to rile you up.
  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    I agree ajbeans and no biggie, he's a good example of the kind of responses I expected to get but luckily he's not the only type to comment. Maybe he likes to stir people up because of his roid rage hehee.

    And wow actually I love that picture, it really motivates me to stay away from stuff that might have mold in it because that just looks gross to me. I've never liked blue cheese, gorganzola, what I call stinky cheeses anyway. So all the better for my attempt at bettering myself which is what this is about for me.
  • _Sally_
    _Sally_ Posts: 514 Member
    I'd like to remind users that there is an "Ignore User" option under a poster's name (use the down arrow), which will make their posts not viewable to you.

    This may be a better option than engaging in a back and forth that can escalate, if you find the posts of someone irritating or not helpful to the discussion.

    With Respect,
    _Sally_
    MFP Forum Moderator
  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    Thanks Sally I did not know that. I will definitely use that button in the future.
  • Found out last year this is my issue, I am slowing getting rid of the yeast. I am feeling better everyday Thanks for the list
  • NicoWoodruff
    NicoWoodruff Posts: 369 Member
    You're welcome harley_rose! Nice to meet other people who are also trying to be yeast free. I created a private group called "Mold/Yeast Control Dietary Approaches" if someone would like an invite just message me. Thanks!
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