Thinking of starting crossfit, and i have a question

Acg67
Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
edited November 9 in Fitness and Exercise
Do i have to go paleo to get this awesome at kipping or it's fine on a regular diet?

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  • MaximalLife
    MaximalLife Posts: 2,447 Member
    I kip out 40 or so pull ups, but I can only do about 17 dead hang.
    I see value in both.
  • stubsy1968
    stubsy1968 Posts: 165 Member
    I wouldn't think so. I've only started CF myself (going again Fri AM) and can't wait to learn how to kip.

    Nice to see you used some chicks in the vid too!

    :blushing:

    Kathy
  • Elizabeth_C34
    Elizabeth_C34 Posts: 6,376 Member
    I'm waiting for someone to bust their teeth out on that pullup bar... just not happening...
  • onedayillbamilf
    onedayillbamilf Posts: 662 Member
    That's a tough one. Maybe paleo with raspberry ketones and a touch of hcg.
  • millerll
    millerll Posts: 873 Member
    That's a tough one. Maybe paleo with raspberry ketones and a touch of hcg.

    WIN !!!!!!!!!!! :drinker:
  • mideon_696
    mideon_696 Posts: 770 Member
    trollololol.
  • supertracylynn
    supertracylynn Posts: 1,338 Member
    No, you need to do a cleanse before going vegan.
    And you need to wear a magenta sparkly tutu.
    With matching socks, no shirt, and glitter lotion.
  • stubsy1968
    stubsy1968 Posts: 165 Member
    That's a tough one. Maybe paleo with raspberry ketones and a touch of hcg.

    Agree - classic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:laugh:
  • myak623
    myak623 Posts: 615 Member
    That's a tough one. Maybe paleo with raspberry ketones and a touch of hcg.

    ^^^This! You will have all the energy you need with a few HCG injections. Go get 'em!
  • soccerella
    soccerella Posts: 619 Member
    That's a tough one. Maybe paleo with raspberry ketones and a touch of hcg.

    ding ding ding, we have a winner! :drinker:
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    I heard these guys didn't go full paleo and look what happened

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhizCTcQKWc&feature=player_embedded

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRLVvIVvyrY&feature=player_embedded
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    That first .gif is my favorite and I am loling in my coffee.
  • polkie05
    polkie05 Posts: 28 Member
    Sorry if this is a noob question, but what is Paleo? Is this some reference to caveman eating and workign out days?
  • soccerella
    soccerella Posts: 619 Member
    Sorry if this is a noob question, but what is Paleo? Is this some reference to caveman eating and workign out days?

    pretty much - the idea being they only ate what they could catch and no processed food obviously, and cavemen werent fat so you wont be either
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Mmm paleo cream puffs

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  • polkie05
    polkie05 Posts: 28 Member
    Got the hint :)
  • RonSwanson66
    RonSwanson66 Posts: 1,150 Member
    Kipping. It's not just for pull-ups anymore:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKp7fBtj81c
  • dandur
    dandur Posts: 267 Member
    Kipping. It's not just for pull-ups anymore:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKp7fBtj81c

    LOL. Do NOT watch this when you're drinking your 6th rye & coke of the night.
  • nutandbutter
    nutandbutter Posts: 447
    Do i have to go paleo to get this awesome at kipping or it's fine on a regular diet?

    Repped. Wait wut?
  • dinosnopro
    dinosnopro Posts: 2,177 Member
    This guy must be the Crossfit OG



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  • dane11235813
    dane11235813 Posts: 682 Member
    don't forget your board shorts

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z2b2x6C5o0
  • Adrenaline_Queen
    Adrenaline_Queen Posts: 626 Member
    Still learning how to kip, ...... Have been told to get chin above bar, those guys have it easy!!! Also drop so arms nearly straight.... But chin must always be over bar... bloody hard and kills............ Have only done them in sets of 30, but I did not do a full set in one go, not yet anyway ........................ xxxxxxxxx
  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member
    That looks so hard on the shoulder girdle when they really get going like that.
  • HOSED49
    HOSED49 Posts: 642 Member
    This guy must be the Crossfit OG



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    Back in that day and the Arnold era, a cheat curl was a staple for putting on mass since you could overload the muscle with heavier than normal weights. Big benchers still use this concept today utilizing things like floor presses or board presses with heavier weights to overload the muscles.
    I wonder if people feel its more acceptable to try a pullup and not be able to do it and quit then learn to kip and be able to cheat yourslef up there until you can do them without cheating...is it also funny or not impressive that guys can kip over 100 pullups without stopping? Obviously from all the coverage on ESPN and the Crossfit games, these guys must be doing something wrong.....isnt that what this post is about?
  • Scott613
    Scott613 Posts: 2,317 Member
    This guy must be the Crossfit OG



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    Perfect form it can't get any better!
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    This guy must be the Crossfit OG



    bicep4-thumb-520x473-1548.jpg

    Back in that day and the Arnold era, a cheat curl was a staple for putting on mass since you could overload the muscle with heavier than normal weights. Big benchers still use this concept today utilizing things like floor presses or board presses with heavier weights to overload the muscles.
    I wonder if people feel its more acceptable to try a pullup and not be able to do it and quit then learn to kip and be able to cheat yourslef up there until you can do them without cheating...is it also funny or not impressive that guys can kip over 100 pullups without stopping? Obviously from all the coverage on ESPN and the Crossfit games, these guys must be doing something wrong.....isnt that what this post is about?

    "Kipping chin-ups and pull-ups have proven to be useless as a way to strengthen the strict versions of the movement, and in the absence of enough strength to do the strict versions, they have proven to be dangerous for shoulder health. Resist the temptation to jump on any bandwagon that encourages short-term gratification at the expense of long-term progress. Many people who can do 15 kipping reps cannot do 2 dead-hangs, and have made no progress on their dead-hangs since they started cheating the movement with the kip. If you want to use kipping pull-ups or chin-ups in a conditioning workout, make sure your shoulders and arms are strong enough to do 8-10 reps first so that you don't hurt yourself chasing a meaningless number. If you cut this important corner, shoulder surgery may be the only reward you receive."

    -Mark Rippetoe. Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training, 3rd Ed.
  • HOSED49
    HOSED49 Posts: 642 Member
    Originally Posted by Mark Rippetoe
    Kipping chin-ups/pull-ups are a derivative of the jumping version. The movement is performed using the momentum of a slight swing preceding the pull, when the swing is converted into an upward roll of the hips, translating the swing energy into upward movement. The kip distributes the movement over more muscle mass, using the abs, hip flexors, and lower back in addition to the lats and arms, so that more muscle mass is used in the exercise and more reps can be done. The strict versions concentrate the effort on less muscle mass and work it harder.The kipping pull-up is to the strict pull-up what the power clean is to the deadlift. It makes it a full body power exercise. Think of it from a functional perspective; if you needed to get up on top of a wall as fast as possible would you do a strict pull-up or would you use your entire body to launch yourself up as fast as possible?

    Mainly it depends on your goals. I think it's worthwhile for many of us to train as many grips/variations as possible, like thickbar pull-ups, rotating bar pull-ups, ring pull-ups, towel pull-ups, kipping pull-ups, L-sit pull-ups, prone/supine/nuetral grip pull-ups, one arm pull-ups, wide, narrow, etc! I don't believe there is any one "best way" to pull our bodies up from a hanging position given the variety of physical obstacles that could fit the bill. These range from tree climbing, to wall climbing, to rope climbing, to sport climbing, to anything climbable. I relate this to the variety of ways that an object can be picked up off of the ground. Sure it would be nice to always lift things up with a straight back, but that isn't always practical, so it makes sense to train with a rounded back too. Ultimatley it needs to meet your goals though. So if you just want big strong biceps, do chins, but if you want to compete in Ninja Warrior or scale the Eiffel Tower, better train them all. And if you never have any ambition of climbing a tree or using gymnastic rings there's nothing wrong with that either.

    That's really all I have to say about it... I've seen arguments over the legitimacy of kipping go on forever and that's not what this thread is about. Look over at crossfit.com and you'll see this already hashed out. It's a personal decision in the end; if you don't like kipping and you prefer to isolate the pulling muscles, do strict pull-ups. It's no big deal.


    I personally gained alot of overall strength doing kipping pullups, hlepd me develop my strict ones...maybe they dont work for everyone, but I wont tell them not to just because I felt like starting a thread to bash things
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Crossfit opens themselves up for bashing with all the stupid crap they do, with the emphasis on hitting some arbitrary number of reps and speed over form. As for kipping in particular, lets call a spade a spade it's cheating.

    http://beastmodaldomains.com/2011/10/19/come-at-me-coach-volume-ii-why-do-we-do-this/
    http://beastmodaldomains.com/2011/12/07/come-at-me-coach-volume-iii-high-rep-box-jumps/
    http://confessionsofacrossfitcoach.blogspot.com/2009/12/soapbox-time-some-thing-i-hate-about.html

    BUT on the plus side they got stuff like this going for them

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  • Sidesteal
    Sidesteal Posts: 5,510 Member


    BUT on the plus side they got stuff like this going for them

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    Despite my concern over the poor form and associated risks, I am joining based on this new evidence.
  • Elizabeth_C34
    Elizabeth_C34 Posts: 6,376 Member
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    I want her thighs.
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