Do you think people are lacking 'class'?

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  • ItsCasey
    ItsCasey Posts: 4,022 Member
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    With regard to technology, I will say that cell phones and social media have definitely crippled our ability to interact with each other as real human beings with thoughts and feelings, rather than just as faceless entities on the other side of the phone or computer.

    You've got people having relationships where 90% of their communication is via text message. You've got guys "poking" girls on Facebook instead of picking up the phone, calling them, and saying "I would really like to take you to dinner." You've got girls breaking up with their boyfriends over e-mail or standing up their dates without so much as a phone call to say "Sorry, but I can't make it tonight."

    Why? Because this is what we are being taught now ... that it's 2012 and somehow that's a good enough reason not to treat ourselves or anyone else with respect anymore.
  • aprilshowers262
    aprilshowers262 Posts: 96 Member
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    As usual, Teachers get treated like crap and aren’t given the credit they are due. Teachers are there to EDUCATE, parents are there to do the rest. Give teachers a break and look INSIDE THE HOME for the problem. Being a parent is a life sentence. If you aren't up to it, don't procreate.
  • JennaM222
    JennaM222 Posts: 1,996 Member
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    we are an angry country right now.
  • RockaholicMama
    RockaholicMama Posts: 786 Member
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    Probably not class, but lacking respect. Especially today's kids who don't respect anyone, including theirselves, and are very self-centered.

    This exactly. I was in the Cincinnati area, near my home town, doing a tour of book signings when I stopped at a store to pick myself up a few things. I had the sun roof open and I heard a few guys talking about my military plates, how I probably thought I was "all that." They carried on a few moments, having no idea I was actually in the car and I heard one say, "watch this." Um...watch what?? This guy honestly walked over and was going to spit in my sun roof. No respect, whatsoever. I would have gotten the switch to me had I ever treated someone like that.
  • smantha32
    smantha32 Posts: 6,990 Member
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    I can't stand the pj phenomenon...how lazy can someone be?

    OMG, ^^^THIS drives me frigging INSANE.
  • SLaw4215
    SLaw4215 Posts: 596 Member
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    I've noticed a lot more lately--say within the past few years that people are more hostile, angrier, and feel incredibly entitled. Not saying everyone, for when I see great stories such as the plane landing on the Hudson a few years back, it gives me hope that people still have humanity.
    Now-a-days you look at someone next to you in the other lane while driving and you get the bird. Even to watch a hockey game (my son plays hockey) one can hear others in the stands throwing the F-bomb around. and yes, there are children present..
    When I was growing up I can remember being in the lobby at the rink during the hockey period and there were some young men saying F this, F that while chatting in our midst. My Dad went up to them and said 'Do not talk like that in the presence of women"....I'll never forget that moment. He grew up in an era where a man's handshake was as good as signing your name on the dotted line, where people had character and integrity, where people took care of their own business and didn't get into someone else's uninvited.


    So in a nutshell, do you think class is diminshing in our time, and do you think technology plays a big part in it?

    I couldn't agree with you more. I try very hard to not be judgmental of people...however I've seen things that make me cringe. There are women I work with that will walk into the ladies room while talking on a cell phone, continue the conversation while they do their business, and then walk out (without washing their hands), younger employees dropping the F bomb casually in the break room in front of upper managment, kids who don't know how to cut up their food or appear to have been taught any table manners so they eat like Barbarians. It's rediculous and hard to watch....
  • beckyinma
    beckyinma Posts: 1,433 Member
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    “Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century:
    Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others;
    Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected;
    Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it;
    Refusing to set aside trivial preferences;
    Neglecting development and refinement of the mind;
    Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do.” ~Marcus Tullius Cicero
  • the_journeyman
    the_journeyman Posts: 1,877 Member
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    parents are the enablers. Kids don't appreciate money because they don't have to do anything but wait for their parents next pay day or a holiday/birthday.. OH and I know because I was one of those parents until my kids behaved like they were ungrateful...now ask them what they get for nothing... HUGS AND KISSES!!!!!!!!!!

    "I played my *insert game console of choice* for seven hours straight Saturday"

    "I don't like my phone, I'm going to make my mom buy me another on" <-- and most times next time I see that kids phone, is the latest and greatest smartphone.

    Said when something gets broken: "it doesn't matter, my parents will get me another one."

    It really shows (in a good way) when a kid is taught responsibility at home. It's amazing what a little parent involvement does!

    JM
  • scubachic77
    scubachic77 Posts: 23 Member
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    It's because these days children are all taught in school that they're entitled to get what they want. They're not allowed to fail, they're not allowed to excel, they aren't taught manners, and they aren't punished when they're obnoxious or disrespectful to others.

    Exactly! ^^^
  • marquesajen
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    Sometimes yes. Online it's easy to be anonymous and says inflammatory things without feeling guilty or taking blame, so maybe that is a part of it. I think the best thing to do is to lead by example, so we classy folk better get a move on!
  • adamtall
    adamtall Posts: 275 Member
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    I believe we have lost not only class, but civility. And it's a shame, because it doesn't have to be that way. Regardless of technology or velocity of life, we need to treat each other better. Even a simple "please" and "thank you". Not in a sniveling, permission-seeking way, but as acknowledgement of humanity (from one important person to another). Best summed up in the Sanskrit word "Namaste", which has no real equivalent in the West. But it's a great word with a great intention--

    "That which is Highest and Finest in me greets that which is Highest and finest in you".

    What a world this would be if we would all embrace this concept--Namaste.
    --LEWIS

    very well put
  • MrsSWW
    MrsSWW Posts: 1,590 Member
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    Yes. I do. But we will raise our boys to be men. Yes mam and No Sir. Thank you and can I help you with that. They know to give up there seat for an adult. Woman are not called names but cherished and respected. There Dad has the last say and money doesn't grow on trees. They know that a day may come where they have to fight for family and or country. And If it does, they won't do it with pants sagging half way down their behinds. A's and b's are expected. As one day hard work will be. Strict? Old fashioned? Yes.

    This ^^^^ is what is lacking!! Too many kids being raised without this type of education - teaching and learning aren't things that should only be done in a classroom, and shouldn't be limited to things you can sit exams in.
  • bluemist248
    bluemist248 Posts: 207 Member
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    If teachers have less control, it's because we're not allowed to. I refer a student to the office for disrupting class and from the uproar caused by them and their parents, you'd think I was sentencing them to the federal penitentiary. This lack of control that people perceive that we teachers have is not because of us not doing our jobs, it's because of parents feeling their precious snowflakes can do no wrong.

    As a trainee teacher, I strongly agree with this!
    Discipline and control in the classroom is also ineffective in terms of secondary socialisation if the parents do not reinforce similar discipline at home. Notice teachers nowadays have dropped the phrase "you wouldn't do that at home, so don't to it here." I heard teachers say that all the time when I was at school, but nowadays you get the response "My mum/dad wouldn't care if I [insert undesirable behaviour]".
  • rainunrefined
    rainunrefined Posts: 850 Member
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    absolutley.
  • teachfl2
    teachfl2 Posts: 95 Member
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    It's because these days children are all taught in school that they're entitled to get what they want. They're not allowed to fail, they're not allowed to excel, they aren't taught manners, and they aren't punished when they're obnoxious or disrespectful to others.

    I think teachers have less control these days...

    If teachers have less control, it's because we're not allowed to. I refer a student to the office for disrupting class and from the uproar caused by them and their parents, you'd think I was sentencing them to the federal penitentiary. This lack of control that people perceive that we teachers have is not because of us not doing our jobs, it's because of parents feeling their precious snowflakes can do no wrong.


    AMEN! Unless we want to lose our jobs, we can't discipline kids in any way. You can tell kids that come from a well-rounded home where they were brought up to be respectful. Unfortunately our society has changed so much. It is not just kids, either. It blows my mind how adults just don't have the common courtesy to say "Please" or "thank you" anymore!
  • Sweet_Potato
    Sweet_Potato Posts: 1,119 Member
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    i notice it in certain places.

    especially the entitlement attitude. i live in a very poor very rural area..and the people here just dont care. they honesty purposely will try to swerve to hit an animal on the road. they dont use turn signals. they dont say excuse me when they need past you, they just push.

    but just a few mins down the road there is a town full of the bohemian hippy types.. worldly and they are kind and actually thoughtful and polite.

    Wow, I'd love to know where that first place is so I can avoid it. Perhaps you should move to the hippy place!

    I used to live in Northern Virginia and it was exactly the same, except that it's a very affluent suburban area. I would do my grocery shopping late at night, to avoid people shoving me out of the way when I spent a second too long picking out apples or whatever. Most people there have long, brutal commutes, which I think contributes to their impatient and impersonal behavior. Incidentally, according to the Virginia driving test you're actually supposed to speed up and hit animals in the road!
  • Steelheart7
    Steelheart7 Posts: 1,056
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    Yes yes yes! People have no "coof" what my grandmother calls it. Ladies have forgotten how to be ladies. Men no longer feel the need to respect or show chivalry. People just say whatever comes to mind sometimes with no regards to people's feeling. They're cursing, fighting, shooting, and stabbing for sensless reasons and are teaching the next generation to do the same. It's just horrible! :embarassed: I pray for the next generation

    Love the Ladies have forgotten to be ladies and men no longer feel the need to respect or show chivalry. Totally agree. People just need to stop and think about the golden rule .. do unto others. It solves everything really. Treat someone how you want to be treated.
  • smantha32
    smantha32 Posts: 6,990 Member
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    It's because these days children are all taught in school that they're entitled to get what they want. They're not allowed to fail, they're not allowed to excel, they aren't taught manners, and they aren't punished when they're obnoxious or disrespectful to others.

    The above paragraph is a result of using schools as the scapegoat for problems that originate AT HOME

    Discipline?

    This paragraph is a result of the lack of options for discipline we have as teachers. I remember being paddled by my first grade teacher. Now, we can't even touch a kid. If I pull a kid away from a fight, I can loose my job or get sued. Discipline now is just silent lunch, in-school suspension, and out-of-school suspension. The problem is, the students that are constant discipline problems that act the way the OP describes have no consequence AT HOME when they get in trouble at school. The parents behave a certain way, the child feels that is acceptable behavior.

    Manners?

    Well, we try, but if the child is allowed to use foul language or be disrespectful at home, it won't matter what we teach them at school. We do punish them, get a ear full full from the parents because we're picking on their kid, and the behavior continues. Once again, if it's allowed AT HOME, it doesn't matter that they got ISS or whatever because they are going home to no consequences.

    Failing?

    They are allowed to fail, I hand out plenty of F grades, BUT students are often still passed on to the next grade when they clearly don't have the knowledge. I can't tell you how many times I get a call from a parent, screaming at me because there's no way their kid could fail, and that I must "have it in" for them since I sent home an F on a report card. What happens on the next report card? The student fails again because it's not addressed AT HOME

    Hear! Hear Ebbtime! I work in middle school!!!

    JM

    I wasn't blaming teachers.
  • christinal83
    christinal83 Posts: 84 Member
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    Definitely, I went to a restaurant the other day, kids where running around everywhere screaming, & other kids where fighting, the parents of the kids didn't care, then one woman shouts "Oi, there's toddlers in here, if you want to fight, piss off & do it outside"... it would have all been well if she didn't swear as well.

    If I ever acted like that as a child I would have been grounded for my entire life! I wouldn't dare act like that, I obey my parents, I'm polite & respectful to everyone, some kids & adults these days just put me at a loss for words at how loud, obnoxious & toxic they are.

    I agree. My brother & I would have got spanked for acting like that.
    Now I have a 4 year old son who for the most part acts great in public but if he does act up, I just leave. I can't stand it & I know other people can't stand it either. Solves the problem & my son knows he did bad. This happened to us 1 time.
  • aprilshowers262
    aprilshowers262 Posts: 96 Member
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    Pajama pants in public. Nuff said.