drinking cola etc makes a good diet futile!

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Hi

One of my friends told me that drinking carbonated drinks destroys acid/enzymes in the stomach, thereby making anything healthy that you do eat Futile as the nutrients will not be extracted properly.

Please can someone add to this or clarify?
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  • sweetgl
    sweetgl Posts: 108 Member
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    Ive personally have never heard of that... maybe theres some truth to it but maybe not enough to make a difference...
  • BoxingCoachMo
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    it certainly makes your stomach larger... larger stomach = more food you can eat lol
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
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    No expert, but I'm pretty sure the stomach is more acidic than soda. I don't think a soda is powerful enough to do that.
  • BoxingCoachMo
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    Thanks for the link.

    Thats a good one!
  • BoxingCoachMo
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    i'll have to ask him to explain this to me properly.

    But even if it didn't affect digestion too much, it certainly does have many other detrimental affects.

    i steer clear of them now..
  • HauteP1nk
    HauteP1nk Posts: 2,139 Member
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    There is probably some truth in it. We all know that pop/soda/carbonated drinks are bad. All the chemicals, the sugar, etc is just not natural. I have even heard that drinking a lot of artificial sweeteners in diet pop causes hormone imbalances and causes your body to store fat...but I can't say for certain. I can probably see some truth in it tho...but you'd probably have to be drinking a lot of it... An occasional treat of pop is fine, but your best bet is to drink water.
  • zorbaru
    zorbaru Posts: 1,077 Member
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    i try to limit myself to one a day.

    i couldnt cut them out entirely. and you know what, i dont want to either.

    there is no reason why you cant lose weight and have all the good stuff as well. just not all at the same time.
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
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    Hi

    One of my friends told me that drinking carbonated drinks destroys acid/enzymes in the stomach, thereby making anything healthy that you do eat Futile as the nutrients will not be extracted properly.

    Please can someone add to this or clarify?

    Nope. There's absolutely no scientific evidence to support this idea. And- no offense meant to you or your friend- but it's a pretty crazy idea.

    There might be other reasons to abstain from carbonated drinks, but this should not be one of them.

    The acid in your stomach is HCL- a chemical "salt" composed of an equal mixture of two ions- hydrogen and chloride. You can't 'destroy' it anymore than you can "destroy" water. You can neutralize it and you can use the ions (hydrogen, chloride) for chemical reactions. However, ingredients in carbonated drinks aren't going to do either.

    Carbonated drinks contain acid to. One definition of an acid is that it's a proton donor. Hydrogen ions are protons. Carbonated drinks just donate more protons to your stomach juices. So worse (or best?) case scenario, it means your stomach has to work less hard to get the right number of protons into the digestive soup.

    The enzymes in your stomach function best at pH 2. They're not destroyed by acid at all. In fact, they love acid and will not work if the pH isn't acidic. There's nothing in carbonated drinks that will harm those enzymes at all.

    Even if, hypothetically, they did somehow harm the enzymes... really, all that would do is slow your digestion down a bit. There's no way it would make it "futile" to eat other nutrients. Our systems are incredibly robust- there are redundancies in our system designed to protect us.

    So... feel free to drink your cola. Account for the calories in your food diary. And enjoy your life.
  • macmac1212
    macmac1212 Posts: 20 Member
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    I've heard that diet soda can be bad because your body tastes the sweetness of soda and releases insulin to use the sugar its anticipating. When instead it's a different chemical, your body still has the insulin, which is why you'll crave sweets (or more soda) afterward because your body is still trying to figure out what happened to the sugar! So while its not going to make or break your diet, the more you know why you're having craving or noticing what happens after drinking soda, the better! :)
  • jamja72
    jamja72 Posts: 192
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    From what I've heard soda, diet or reg, can not be digested by the kidney. Therefore food you've eaten isn't digested eventually end up being stored as fat instead. Hence you gain weight.
  • Pebble321
    Pebble321 Posts: 6,554 Member
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    Pay attention to Labrat, she knows what she's talking about!

    And regardless of what you eat or drink, there is nothing so bad that it will cancel out all the other good things you eat.
    I mean - if you drink Coke and eat nutrient rich food you're certainly going to be healthier in the long term than drinking Coke and eating low-nutrient food.
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
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    From what I've heard soda, diet or reg, can not be digested by the kidney. Therefore food you've eaten isn't digested eventually end up being stored as fat instead. Hence you gain weight.

    I'm not trying to pick on you... but this information is not correct. None of it is.

    First and foremost, the kidneys don't digest anything. That's not their job. They don't break down nutrients. Food is broken down in the stomach and the intestines. It then enters the blood and is carried to various tissues in the body. A lot of those nutrients and non-nutrient compounds like aspartame are then processed by the liver. The kidney filters the blood- it retains the stuff you need, it gets rid of the stuff you don't along with the water in your urine.

    I don't actually know how aspartame is processed, but if I had to guess, your body sees it as an amino acid, and it's probably broken apart and then excreted by the kidneys just fine.

    I will, however, do some digging to make sure I'm right.

    As for food that isn't digested ending up as fat... again, no, that's not how it works. Any food that isn't digested gets excreted- that's your feces, poop, whatever you want to call it.

    If it enters your system, it's because it HAS indeed been digested.

    What is true is that unused fat and sometimes unused glucose can end up as fat. I'd have to dig to find out if protein is ever converted into fat. I really don't know.

    I know I jump into these diet soda threads a lot... I'm not really a crusader for diet soda. I drink it, but I think it's fine if someone else chooses not to drink it. However, the myths surrounding it drive me nuts.

    Soda... diet soda... It seems people like to believe in boogiemen almost as much as they like to believe in superfoods. But soda and diet soda aren't boogiemen. I don't think I'd ever say "they're good for you" but you don't have to quake and tremble at the thought of drinking one either.
  • cavemancop
    cavemancop Posts: 42 Member
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    I've hard the hardest time trying to give up diet soda. Even though it has zero calories the sweetness tricks your brain into thinking you are consuming sugar. It also effects how your stomach tells you if it is full or not. Plus the aspartame is horrible for you.
  • maverick48
    maverick48 Posts: 69 Member
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    There is probably some truth in it. We all know that pop/soda/carbonated drinks are bad. All the chemicals, the sugar, etc is just not natural. I have even heard that drinking a lot of artificial sweeteners in diet pop causes hormone imbalances and causes your body to store fat...but I can't say for certain. I can probably see some truth in it tho...but you'd probably have to be drinking a lot of it... An occasional treat of pop is fine, but your best bet is to drink water.
    Natural doesn't mean healthy, neither does unnatural make it unhealthy. Arsenic, cyanide, ricin, anthrax and botulism all occur "naturally" and could be considered "organic."
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
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    I found what I was looking for.

    Aspartame is broken down into methanol, aspartic acid, and phenylalanine. All three of these compounds are found in other foods and aspartic acid and phenylalanine are actually components of the proteins in our body. In high doses, all three can be toxic. HIGH doses. Concentration matters. It always matters.

    In low doses, your body processes all three components just fine, without any problems.

    Methanol is broken down into formaldehyde and formate... you'll hear the formaldehyde scare tactic a lot. People ignore the fact that methanol is often in the foods we eat- fruit being a common source.

    And again... concentration matters. At low doses, this stuff isn't harmful. Our bodies are well equipped to handle them.
  • maverick48
    maverick48 Posts: 69 Member
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    I've hard the hardest time trying to give up diet soda. Even though it has zero calories the sweetness tricks your brain into thinking you are consuming sugar. It also effects how your stomach tells you if it is full or not. Plus the aspartame is horrible for you.
    I lost 60lbs drinking the stuff and never starved or felt any increased desire for sweets or anything else. And aspartame has not been proven to actually have any harmful effects. http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/aspartame.asp
  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
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  • LabRat529
    LabRat529 Posts: 1,323 Member
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    Carbonated drinks contain acid to. One definition of an acid is that it's a proton donor. Hydrogen ions are protons. Carbonated drinks just donate more protons to your stomach juices. So worse (or best?) case scenario, it means your stomach has to work less hard to get the right number of protons into the digestive soup.

    I am familiar with the donor definition. Just slightly confused about the... mention of hydrogen, in carbonated beverages. As you know the formula -log(H), which determines the pH. From my understanding it's CO2 gas, doesn't contain H+. Or are you just talking generally about acids?

    I was speaking generally... but also literally. Diet coke has phosphoric acid in it, which is H3PO4. So it does have a literal proton donor in it. The CO2 can also become a proton donor when it's dissolved in water. CO2+ H20 <---> H2CO3 (carbonic acid).
  • JanieJack
    JanieJack Posts: 3,831 Member
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    I don't know about the acid thing, but I do know ONE downside of carbonated beverages: contributes to loss of calcium in your bones. I was told long time ago I had the bone density of an older woman. Dr said do 3 things: 1. take calcium suppliments. 2. start doing weights. 3. stop drinking sodas (which I did for about 3 years).

    My bone density is now normal for my age, though I will admit to the occasional soda (actually, I've had more soda since starting this Biggest Loser challenge than I think I had all last year!! need to re-evaluate that).