Weights before Cardio?

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  • YassSpartan
    YassSpartan Posts: 1,195 Member
    But is it not true that you should be doing dynamic stretches before a workout an static after? That's what my physiotherapist and personal trainer's advocate.

    I guess that's the most common thing to do. I personally do both static (to release the muscle fiber and break part of the fascia build up that happens when we don't move much) and dynamic (to help warm up) before my workouts and after my workouts I do static to increase flush out the muscle tissue and that way help the recover of the muscle by increasing circulation.
  • peachied
    peachied Posts: 117 Member
    I usually do weights before cardio, but I don't think it is wrong if you do it the other way around, just as long as you partake in both types of exercise. I only do weights first because I get so tired after cardio and I am more likely to talk myself out of weight training if I am exhausted.
  • EbbySoo
    EbbySoo Posts: 267 Member
    Weights first, IMO. Go big, cardio with whatever is left in the tank.

    This ^^ I set aside separate cardio only days to go for gusto, weight days are usually just that, weight days, if I have energy left at the end of one to get in more than 15+ minutes of cardio in whatever form at a moderate/intense level I haven't done my job properly in the weight room.
  • machinegunkate
    machinegunkate Posts: 74 Member
    boomp.
  • LastSixtySix
    LastSixtySix Posts: 352 Member
    I often (60% of my workouts) combine weights and cardio in a vigorous circuit. Wearing the HRM, keeping the heart rate in the zone.
  • gp79
    gp79 Posts: 1,799 Member
    If it's an early AM workout, I'll hop on the treadmill for a few mintues to get some blood going, hit the weights hard and then maybe do 15 min cardio afterwards. If it's later in the day I hit the weights first and then maybe some cardio afterwards. Weights mandator, cardio is an afterthought right now.
  • rmb8
    rmb8 Posts: 15
    5 min cardio or active stretching (not static stretching, so you can do standing lunges to warm up or a few walking lunges but don't do static (standing and holding pose) stretching pre-workout as it can lead to injury. Then do weights (min 20-30 min) - you will have more glucose in your muscles and thus more energy to get a more effective weight/circuit workout... then burn off remaining glucose afterwards with cardio (at least 20 min). THEN you can (and *should*) do "static" stretching, be sure to stretch all major muscle groups for at least 5 min total... don't bounce, hold for min 30 seconds each pose.

    This is order is the best way to prevent injury and be most effective in workouts.
  • JDMPWR
    JDMPWR Posts: 1,863 Member
    Stretch, workout, then cardio.
  • JewelE77
    JewelE77 Posts: 134 Member
    Bump, great advice! :)
  • AH2013
    AH2013 Posts: 385 Member
    Stretching, cardio, weights, cooldown, and then stretching.

    This is exactly what I do and always have done......so far avoided injury!!

    I stretch, do maybe 10-15 mins on cross trainer then do weights and stretch. I do not do hard cardio on weight training days so that I have plenty energy for the weights, I have 3 weight training days and then 2-3 days I do just cardio.

    I think it's personal preference. :)
  • Articeluvsmemphis
    Articeluvsmemphis Posts: 1,987 Member
    warm up or cardio for 5-20ish or 30minutes, depending on how i feel, weights, then more cardio, I do 45minutes to 60minutes most days
  • TheDevastator
    TheDevastator Posts: 1,626 Member
    For men:

    Stretch muscles,Weights,Stretch,Cardio,Sauna to release lactic acid so muscles wont hurt
    This is sort of what I do except I haven't used the sauna, I think I'll take advantage of that from now on. maybe a quick cold shower would work too because sometimes I'm dying after cardio and need to catch my breath.

    Stretch muscles,Weights,Stretch,Cardio, 30 second cold shower, Sauna to release lactic acid so muscles wont hurt
  • Weights first, IMO. Go big, cardio with whatever is left in the tank.

    x1million.
  • GettinMyLifeBck
    GettinMyLifeBck Posts: 201 Member
    My trainer has me do a light warm up like walking upstairs for 5 min then weights and then I do cardio.
  • MrsAngelique
    MrsAngelique Posts: 164 Member
    I had a trainer at a health club tell me that I should do cardio after weights.
    5-10 min. of cardio in the beginning is ok for warm up though.
    He said that it takes 15 min. of exercise before your body starts to burn fat.
    So if you do your cardio last you will burn more fat calories, according to him.

    My personal trainer told me virtually the same info.
    I had some results when doing the cardio first, but much better results after switching over to warm up, weights and cardio last.
    :bigsmile:
  • nikbolok
    nikbolok Posts: 107 Member
    I do 5-10 min cardio warmup, weights, then long cardio. I only do weights every other day so my muscles can rest :) If I can make it to my yoga class, I do that in between too. Stretching very important to me, but hey, everyone is different! Good luck!
  • jarrodc
    jarrodc Posts: 102
    Weights first, IMO. Go big, cardio with whatever is left in the tank.

    Exactly this... You'll also burn more calories on the cardio by exhausting your muscles.

    Note: Don't do this if your main goal is to build muscle, it's counter productive... Do cardio, but split it up.
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    Stretching, cardio, weights, cooldown, and then stretching.

    That way you don't injure yourself and your muscles stay engaged.
    What?

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/jul/19/stretching-ineffective-against-workout-injuries/?body
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sports/playmagazine/112pewarm.html

    All you need is a few warm-up sets, maybe a 5 minute walk on the treadmill.
    I work stretching and cooldown into my exercises, so I'm not only stretching but I'm beginning to engage some of my muscles while doing so, getting my heart rate up. I don't do it exactly, but yoga is a good stretching warm up, and by the end of it you can feel the increased heart rate.

    -And don't quote "stretching ineffective" articles to me. Unless you're a personal athletic trainer, which I am certified to be, you can't quote other's OPINIONS without your own testimonial.
    Does it count if I am AFAA certified?

    Does it?

    None of my clients do stretches other than general warm-up sets and a brief walk.
  • AntWrig
    AntWrig Posts: 2,273 Member
    Stretching, cardio, weights, cooldown, and then stretching.

    That way you don't injure yourself and your muscles stay engaged.
    What?

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/jul/19/stretching-ineffective-against-workout-injuries/?body
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sports/playmagazine/112pewarm.html

    All you need is a few warm-up sets, maybe a 5 minute walk on the treadmill.

    I guess we all have different ideas, concepts and opinions. As a massage therapist I can tell you that stretching before and after a workout has major benefits to the body, whether the person will do cardiovascular or weight lifting. But I'm not here to argue that with anyone, like I said, this is just my opinion based on my profession.
    I mean I am all for foam rolling. Which I indeed do. However, there is no need to do any elaborate programs.
  • zorbaru
    zorbaru Posts: 1,077 Member
    http://weighttraining.about.com/od/techniquesandstrategies/a/cardio_weights.htm

    this is the article that made most sense to me.

    but in reality. do what works for you.
  • lorenzoinlr
    lorenzoinlr Posts: 338 Member
    Stretching, cardio, weights, cooldown, and then stretching.

    That way you don't injure yourself and your muscles stay engaged.
    What?

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/jul/19/stretching-ineffective-against-workout-injuries/?body
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/sports/playmagazine/112pewarm.html

    All you need is a few warm-up sets, maybe a 5 minute walk on the treadmill.

    It's interesting, as a pitcher in college I figured out routine assigned stretching was counterproductive for me. I'd skip all stretching and go straight to long toss. And this was 30 years ago. Results are very quantitative for a pitcher. The gun, pitch count and peformance stats don't lie. And since I never encountered injury, I figured I'd validated my approach. But I never told anyone back then in fact I'd hide and pretend so nobody would try and force me to do it "for my own good." Later on in workouts, again I blew off stretching, opting for gradual loading, although not all that gradual.

    So it's validating to see those articles, in fact I'd go beyond what they suggest. Even when I'm sore from the prior session(s) I lessen loading at first and then go right into it. I've never had a problem getting loose and I'm by no means naturally that way, particularly at my age now.

    As far as trainers, personal or otherwise, good lord I've seen stuff from them over the years that's so often daffy and changes with the wind. There may be some that know their stuff but I haven't met them, only ones that think they do.
  • Lactic acid isn't what makes you sore the next day after hard exercise. It's muscle tears in the actual fibers of your muscle. Lactic acid shuttling and removal rates will usually keep your body free of too much lactic acid in your blood stream. When the shuttling rate can't keep up with the production, free hydrogen ions will lower the pH level of your blood and you'll burn out and have to stop. When that happens, lactic acid will continue to be shuttled out while some of it will convert back into pyruvate in order to fuel more exercise. (some physiologists actually think that lactic acid is a main source of secondary fuel for exercise, hence why people get their "second wind" in many cases)

    The next day, after all the exercise is said and done, it's the tears in your muscle fibers that are causing the soreness. That, combined with inflammation, is what causes the pain. There have been some recent studies that show a good massage can increase levels of anti-inflammatory proteins in the affected muscle but it's not conclusive yet. (yahoo just had an article about it recently as well). As it is now, doing things to "reduce lactic acid levels" so you aren't as "sore" don't work. Unless you're fixing the muscle tears, you're going to be sore. If you want to fix your muscles, eat adequate protein and possibly get a massage. That's about all you can do.

    Last, combining cardio and weights works but it's not the most efficient method for maximal results. Does that mean you shouldn't combine them? Well, if you enjoy doing them in a certain order, stick with it. However, because of metabolic pathways, the most efficient method is to separate them to different parts of the day. The mTOR pathway (responsible for protein synthesis and stimulated from weight lifting) is separate from the AMPK pathway (responsible for mitochondrial production and density and stimulated from cardio) The last numbers I heard was that a ~4 hour window of time was enough in order to not interfere with each other. That is about the same amount of time that EPOC (exercise post oxygen consumption) takes place. In other words, that metabolism boost you get for about 4 hours after lifting or cardio is the same amount of time that specific metabolic pathway is stimulated.

    I hope this helps.
  • wareagle8706
    wareagle8706 Posts: 1,090 Member
    You'll find tons of studies out there that tell you a lot of different things about this topic, so it's pretty controversial I suppose.

    My personal preference is weights then cardio. But I think most people go the other way around. I do my weights first so that I don't feel weaker while doing them, which is what typically happens to me when I do cardio first. Plus I tend to do circuit training anyway so my weights keep my heart rate up from the beginning, the cardio is an added bonus.
  • usernamejoe
    usernamejoe Posts: 219 Member
    Thanks for all the feedback. I really appreciate it. I'm going to start weights first then cardio and track my results!!
  • Mandykinz2008
    Mandykinz2008 Posts: 292 Member
    My personal trainer said always weights first to get you into fat burning zone then the cals burn like crazy in cardio. Plus she said if you do cardio first you can't push as much in weights since you're already tired.

    Just what I follow. :)
  • embersfallen
    embersfallen Posts: 534 Member
    bump
  • I always do weights before cardio. Always!
  • I'm gonna try this warmup cardio, more weights, then cardio routine to see how it goes. I'm up for any suggestion really. Not for nothing but I never stretch. EVER. I've been working out off and on since 2005. I've never had any injuries either. I'm not really sure if it's affecting anything or not but when I was losing weight and getting toned stretching wasn't apart of my routine.
  • iplayoutside19
    iplayoutside19 Posts: 2,304 Member
    I have cardio days, and I have weight days. I find that there is less interference between the two when I do that. Especially when I'm training for an event. If I do do them on the same day one is early morning, the other is in the evening.

    I think any benefit on whether one before the other is ancidotal, and if there is a benefit it's not large enough to make a difference.

    Fat Burning Zone during exercise? Aren't we forgetting about the other side of this equation? Food? Be in the "fat burning zone" all you want. If you're not eating properly it means nothing.
  • It is best to do cardio and weight training separate. But if you must, do cardio after and be sure to stretch before and after. Good luck!
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