(RANT) MEAT Vs VEGGIES

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  • treetop57
    treetop57 Posts: 1,578 Member
    I know it's not the question you asked, but there are some fish that pregnant women should avoid and some that are okay.

    http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyhealth/fishmercury.htm

    psst..it is a guy..

    It must have been the other fish thread this morning where the original poster said she takes pre-natal vitamins. My mistake!
  • VeganInTraining
    VeganInTraining Posts: 1,319 Member
    I know it's not the question you asked, but there are some fish that pregnant women should avoid and some that are okay.

    http://www.americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyhealth/fishmercury.htm

    psst..it is a guy..

    It must have been the other fish thread this morning where the original poster said she takes pre-natal vitamins. My mistake!

    while out of place I, a woman, found the info very helpful :)
  • m60kaf
    m60kaf Posts: 421 Member
    My question is.
    Would it be easier and better to start eating meat, even though I don't really like the idea because I have moral objections.
    Or keep on the peso-diet, and try to work harder and figuring something out?

    Never posted on here, but I can relate to this one. I was a veggie for years, so thought I would.

    I moved to a city in the 90s, the meat was generally poor quality and in the UK at the time there were genuine health issues, esp with farming practices at the time giving unsafe meat. So some friends I lived with went veggi.. so did I, but while they lasted months I stuck at it - to me it just seemed like eat what you did before without the meat - dead easy.. Eventually a bacon butty got me and I never looked back, but that's a common tale.

    As a veggi I got VERY fat. 300lb!! simply I believe because you have two choices. You eat lettuce and steamed veg and end up an anemic anorexic or you eat pastries and dairy and fried food and carbs and carbs and get fat.

    I could not do what I am doing now if it wasn't for protein from chicken. I'm stressing because I haven't got enough protein in the last couple of days ... As a veggi I probably ate a tenth the protein Im on now! and 10 times the carbs

    I was saying the other day I must be eating getting on for 1000 chickens a year - I feel slightly bad about it but that's what we do ... eat meat, pollute with our cars, and consumerist society. What ya supposed to do - not work have no money and die because its bad driving to work and using your ipad, not breath or drink water and die cos the environment is wasted?

    You just have to get on with it
  • swisspea
    swisspea Posts: 327 Member
    Well as a full blown carnivore I'd say go back on the meat. But then I don't understand the objection people have to eating meat since we are omnivores after all.

    If god didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?

    For me, it's not an objections to "eating meat" it's the meat industry. God did not make animals to live in over crowded barns, never see sunlight, and eat corn. If they were hunted I have no problem with animals being eaten

    Exactly, not to mention how much fresh water the meat industry wastes, when we could look for nutrients elsewhere, without wasting so much water- let alone all the pollution and the horrendous conditions of animals.
  • chrishgt4
    chrishgt4 Posts: 1,222 Member
    Well as a full blown carnivore I'd say go back on the meat. But then I don't understand the objection people have to eating meat since we are omnivores after all.

    If god didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?

    I would just like to point out that people are made out of meat too.

    And I'm pretty sure the only reason we didnt evolve eating each other is because the diseases transfer, where as In other animals the diseases they have don't affect humans.

    The Bly reason we don't eat dogs, cats, horses etc in the western world is because they are pets to us.
  • Most of the vegetarians I have know have been fat. But I think it is more of result of just poor planning. Look, back gladiator times they often ate vegetarian, or at least very heavy grain diets to fatten themselves up for the games. The reason is if you have a nice layer of subcutaneous fat around your body you cut get cuts that would bleed, look impressive to the audience but could easily heal because the muscle and internal organs were not injured.

    So when I see vegetarians packing on the pounds it's because they are gravitating towards heavy carbo, grain based diets (lots of pasta, cheese, bread, etc.) with very little vegetable content.

    Honestly, there is no reason to compromise your moral beliefs, you just need to plan your meals better. Cut out most, if not all of the grain based nonsense. Up your vegetable content a long with your protein (eggs, soy based, whey protein, beans quinoa, etc.) and healthy fats (nuts, etc.). It's going to take some planning.
  • mes1119
    mes1119 Posts: 1,082 Member
    Protein fills you up, so yes. It isn't necessarily meat tho, there are many ways to get more protein. You're probably eating too many carbs which spikes your blood sugar and makes you even hungrier later. The more carbs you eat, the more you want of them. While fruits and veggies are GREAT, you need good lean protein sources in your diet to keep you full and satisfied.
  • VeganPanda
    VeganPanda Posts: 582 Member
    Well as a full blown carnivore I'd say go back on the meat. But then I don't understand the objection people have to eating meat since we are omnivores after all.

    If god didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?

    There is no god. :laugh: Your argument is invalid.
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    There is no need to compromise your morals - as you pointed out, it's not the vegetarianism that's the problem, it's the choices you're making regarding your food. As others have pointed out, try to practice better planning - take a day on the weekend (or whenever your schedule allows) to cut and prep veggies, make big batches of meals for the week, etc. Planning is absolutely key, and can really help you to stay on track.

    It might also help to take a look around the internet and find some easy, tasty meatless recipes to keep you interested!
  • DataBased
    DataBased Posts: 513 Member
    If god didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?
    HAHAHAHAHAHA I know a vegetarian who would get a great chuckle out of that - thanks so much.

    To the OP - from what you wrote, it seems that time management is at least 50% of your problem, and stress is a contributing factor. Have you ever read Stephen R. Covey? His "The 7 Habits of Highly Successful People" is extremely helpful in helping you define your "big rocks" and manage your time so that you don't have all this stress. I got my copy on the Kindle for .99 when Amazon had a sale, and while it's not going to be a quick fix - can you name any quick fixes that resulted in lasting results?

    Best of luck to you - keep trying, keep posting, and you'll find what works best for you.

    ***Edited to add: Just looked through all of your diary. The days you completed your diary seem to be over either in sugar or sodium, and you have a lot of fried foods in there. I'm no expert, but I might start experimenting with different choices to get sugar and sodium lower (which is my own current mini-goal) and cut back on fried foods, which tend to be salted more. ***
  • maremare312
    maremare312 Posts: 1,143 Member
    It sounds like you're bored with the five veggie meals you are making over and over? Maybe find a good vegetarian blog or cookbook and try out some new recipes. Even if you try one new one a week that might help. And for your day falling apart at night, is that from snacking? I try to give myself some snacky options at night that are worked into my calories for the day and that helps (mainly low fat popcorn, nice and crunchy, as well as fruits or veggies with low fat ranch or string cheese and rice crackers).

    ETA, I'm not vegetarian but I like veggie meals and follow some veggie bloggers. Here are a couple of my faves, linked to their recipe pages:

    http://peasandthankyou.com/recipage/

    http://www.dailygarnish.com/recipes
  • PaleoPath4Lyfe
    PaleoPath4Lyfe Posts: 3,161 Member
    Well as a full blown carnivore I'd say go back on the meat. But then I don't understand the objection people have to eating meat since we are omnivores after all.

    If god didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?

    For me, it's not an objections to "eating meat" it's the meat industry. God did not make animals to live in over crowded barns, never see sunlight, and eat corn. If they were hunted I have no problem with animals being eaten

    That is why people need to stand up and start purchasing farm raised meats through local sources and leave that factory farmed stuff sitting to rot on the grocery store shelves.

    The feel the same about boxed, packaged and frozen foods processed foods also.

    We would all be much healthier by eating raw dairy, farm raised happy animals raised in their natural environment and fresh fruits and veggeis from local sources. There is NOT one human alive that would not thrive eating this way.
  • suziecue66
    suziecue66 Posts: 1,312 Member
    Well as a full blown carnivore I'd say go back on the meat. But then I don't understand the objection people have to eating meat since we are omnivores after all.

    If god didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them out of meat?

    For me, it's not an objections to "eating meat" it's the meat industry. God did not make animals to live in over crowded barns, never see sunlight, and eat corn. If they were hunted I have no problem with animals being eaten

    That is why people need to stand up and start purchasing farm raised meats through local sources and leave that factory farmed stuff sitting to rot on the grocery store shelves.

    The feel the same about boxed, packaged and frozen foods processed foods also.

    We would all be much healthier by eating raw dairy, farm raised happy animals raised in their natural environment and fresh fruits and veggeis from local sources. There is NOT one human alive that would not thrive eating this way.

    Exact;y - now someone who makes sense!!
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