Carbs - A cautionary Tale

jeff261159
jeff261159 Posts: 385
edited November 12 in Health and Weight Loss
I have been using MFP for over a year now and have lost a very satisfactory 70+ pounds. Beiing in the healthiest condition Ive been in for years, a health problem has come to the surface and has slighlty bowled me over. I have been sufffering with some shor term memory loss and mood changes. My wife made me go to see my GP who has now referrred me to a neurologist beacuse I may be suffering with 'Early Onset of Alzheimers'. How the hell can that be? LOW CARBS for the past year is how!! I have had a look back over my food diaries and have been undereating carbs by a very large margin. I have read that the RDA of carbs for a man is some 275-325g, i have been eating less than 100 a day!!!
There are many studies on the internet explaining that carbohydrates are brain foods and to starve your body of them can and will affect brain function/memory.
So, low calorie, doesnt have to mean low carb. Im going to start carb loading now and hope that the neurologist says that its repairable!!
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  • i wish you the best in recovering! thanks for sharing--hopefully it stops at least one person from jumping on the "fad-diet" bandwagon.
  • sabinecbauer
    sabinecbauer Posts: 250 Member
    Jeff, you may want to try eating 1 to 2 tbsp of extra virgin coconut oil per day. I know, nothing to do with carbs, but EVCO has been shown to have an amazingly beneficial effect on the memory function of Alzheimer's patients.
  • BrianSharpe
    BrianSharpe Posts: 9,248 Member
    Jeff, you may want to try eating 1 to 2 tbsp of extra virgin coconut oil per day. I know, nothing to do with carbs, but EVCO has been shown to have an amazingly beneficial effect on the memory function of Alzheimer's patients.

    Citations?
  • sabinecbauer
    sabinecbauer Posts: 250 Member
    Brian, that's according to an article in a magazine I got at my local health food store (I didn't keep it, sorry, otherwise I'd give you the details). It's not a clinical trial but the statements of care staff and relatives of patients, all of whom independently observed the same thing. My thinking is, try it, if it doesn't help, it won't hurt.
  • Isolt
    Isolt Posts: 70
    Ahh so you think you have early onset Alzheimer's and naturally came to the conclusion it must be your low-carb diet.


    It's quite amazing that our species even managed to survive this long really isn't it....what with them living for 190,000 years on a hunter/gatherer diet and only the last 10,000 years with the agrarian culture that allows high carb intakes. Yup, your Altzheimer's *must* be down to a low-carb diet :laugh:
  • RMuske
    RMuske Posts: 271 Member
    Low carb can also cause bone loss.. No nutrient should be cut below the recommended daily allowance or I would consider it a FAD diet. I hope others can learn from this. I am sorry you have to go through it.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
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  • buzzcogs
    buzzcogs Posts: 296 Member
    I will keep you in my prayers. My father either had Alzeimer's or Vascular Dementia but it boils down to the same thing. It's good you are getting medical attention early. I hope you don't have Alzeimer's. Eat healthy, continue to exercise, and do what your doctor says!
    I hate Alzeimer's and Vascular Dementia and I hope you don't have either but if you are early diagnosed you have a better chance of catching and slowing down the progress. God Bless!
  • DannyMussels
    DannyMussels Posts: 1,842 Member
    Thanks for the warning.

    The thing about carbs is understanding what's really wrong about them.

    Last night my choices were a cup or two of spaghetti (220-500cals) or a cup or two of soup (90-200). I chose the latter, and added chicken.

    Generally higher carbs = higher cals.

    If you're lookin to dig deeper into nutrition, you'll realize what kinda stuff you should actually avoid.

    'Everything in moderation' is another good slogan.
    Except when it comes to women.
  • carolann_22
    carolann_22 Posts: 364 Member
    Interestingly enough, the American Alzheimers Association suggests three steps to prevent Alzheimers -
    Maintain a healthy body weight (which I'm guessing your low carb diet did, which is why you stuck with it)
    Get your lipids under control (most studies suggest that a low carb diet has a positive effect on lipids, at least when combined with weight loss)
    And eat plenty of dark skinned fruits and veggies, nuts, and cold water fish (all of which would be allowed on a low carb diet of under 100g a day).

    I understand it is never positive to hear news like that from the doctor, but I think blaming lowering carbs for it is a bit premature.
    Wishing you the best with your doctor's visit, and that it is not early onset alzheimers but something easily curable.
  • I met a man several years ago who was diagnosed with early Alzheimers. He retired from his job, went off traveling with his wife for several months and came back into the store where I worked. He told me then that his doctor had said the Alzheimers symptoms were completely gone. I have no idea what changes he made in his life. I just wanted to encourage you that it can happen. I"ll pray for a reversal of symptoms for you.
  • I've heard the Extra Virgin Coconut Oil news as well and apparently it is quite remarkable. My nutritionist friend urged me to get some. It does give a slight coconut flavor so experiment with it and research all the recent news postings about coconut oil as a help in fighting and helping to control/slow Alzheimers. Of course talk to your doctor as well.
  • sexforjaffacakes
    sexforjaffacakes Posts: 1,001 Member
    Ahh so you think you have early onset Alzheimer's and naturally came to the conclusion it must be your low-carb diet.


    It's quite amazing that our species even managed to survive this long really isn't it....what with them living for 190,000 years on a hunter/gatherer diet and only the last 10,000 years with the agrarian culture that allows high carb intakes. Yup, your Altzheimer's *must* be down to a low-carb diet :laugh:

    haha
    I'm neither for/against low carb, but yeah, seriously, so many people do low carb and seem to be fine.

    I mean I have sympathy for you and stuff, It sucks baws if you do have it...

    But self diagnosis? Really? Your doctor mentions you might have it, and you immediately decide it's the carbs fault? perhaps let the doctor do their job, find out what's wrong with you, and DON'T start a panic/scare story on a health website.

    next you'll be telling us it was caused by your immunisation shots or something...
  • MikeG2
    MikeG2 Posts: 97 Member
    I find that monitoring the pie graph on my phone (Home/Daily/Pie Graph Icon) shows me my comparative levels of carbs, fat and protein. I was actually low on fat and high on carbs, and I'm always trying to find protein rich foods to get that level up.
  • BrownEyedJerseyGirl
    BrownEyedJerseyGirl Posts: 97 Member
    Ahh so you think you have early onset Alzheimer's and naturally came to the conclusion it must be your low-carb diet.


    It's quite amazing that our species even managed to survive this long really isn't it....what with them living for 190,000 years on a hunter/gatherer diet and only the last 10,000 years with the agrarian culture that allows high carb intakes. Yup, your Altzheimer's *must* be down to a low-carb diet :laugh:

    I hear what you're saying - how did man survive without carbs? Obviously they aren't necessary for basic survival.

    It's only been in the past century that the average lifespan has exceeded 50 years old. Alzheimer's usually onsets in the mid-60's so there is no way to know if our ancestors did/could have suffered from Alzheimer's since man did not live long enough to see such a disease. Additionally, it may have occurred but was not documented.

    There are many variables and let's hope that isn't the cause and/or that he doesn't have Alzheimer's.
  • Captain_Tightpants
    Captain_Tightpants Posts: 2,215 Member
    Have you actually been diagnosed with early onset Alzheimer's or is this just a precautionary diagnostic to rule it out?

    I'm not a proponent of low carbs but I wouldn't blame the low carb diet for Alzheimer's. Your brain does use glucose as a primary fuel but if deprived of it it uses Ketones instead, pretty effectively. There are too many complexities to just blame it on low carb. For example, if you're eating very low carb where are the rest of your calories coming from - eating more fat and protein, yes? So why blame it on low carb when it's just as easy (and probably just as incorrect) to blame it on high fat or high protein.

    Incidentally a ketogenic diet in some people can cause - wait for it - mood swings and memory loss - so with luck your diagnosis of Alzheimer's will come back clean and adding a few more carbs to your diet may help your symptoms.

    Carb loading though? Seriously? You think you messed your body up by going too far in one extreme and your reaction to that is to say you're going to swing to the other extreme? Wouldn't the more sensible lesson to take away from it be all things in moderation? A diet that is 33% carbs/33% fats/33% protein diet for example, or 40/30/30... or even the standard government recommended of 50/25/25 you know... a little balance?

    Anyways, don't want to rag on you too much about it and I hope your diagnosis brings good news!
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Ahh so you think you have early onset Alzheimer's and naturally came to the conclusion it must be your low-carb diet.


    It's quite amazing that our species even managed to survive this long really isn't it....what with them living for 190,000 years on a hunter/gatherer diet and only the last 10,000 years with the agrarian culture that allows high carb intakes. Yup, your Altzheimer's *must* be down to a low-carb diet :laugh:

    Yeah cause all Paleo man ate a low carb diet, oh wait...

    Eaton et al. Paleolithic nutrition revisited: A twelve-year retrospective on its nature and implications. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (1997) 51, 207±216

    http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/EvolutionPaleolithic/Eaton Paleo Nutri Review EJCN.pdf
  • tinaruby
    tinaruby Posts: 74 Member
    Avoid simple carbs, but complex carbs are needed for your body to function properly. 100 of the right kind of carbs every day would be plenty, but if you are eating simple carbs high in sugar, all your doing is making your insulin levels jump all over the place and they process through your system too quickly to absorb any would be "nutrients".
  • KareninCanada
    KareninCanada Posts: 962 Member
    http://news.tufts.edu/releases/release.php?id=68

    http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/carbs.html


    Just some food for thought. (Pun intended.)




    I'm not sold on either high or low-carb... I think the former is politically motivated and the latter may be a bit over-hyped because it does lead to quicker weight loss. Personally I am trying to land in the middle, around 40% carbs, against the advice of my trainer who sold on the 60-65% recommended by the food guide.
  • badgerbadger1
    badgerbadger1 Posts: 954 Member
    I think the low carbers and paleo people chiming in with their insensitive comments should take their crusade elsewhere.

    OP, I am sorry you have been diagnosed with Alzheimers. Hopefully you have plenty of support and the disease goes easy on you..

    That said, there is no evidence in the literature to suggest a link between carb intake and alzheimers.
  • EbbySoo
    EbbySoo Posts: 267 Member
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  • EbbySoo
    EbbySoo Posts: 267 Member
    I think the low carbers and paleo people chiming in with their insensitive comments should take their crusade elsewhere.

    OP, I am sorry you have been diagnosed with Alzheimers. Hopefully you have plenty of support and the disease goes easy on you..

    That said, there is no evidence in the literature to suggest a link between carb intake and alzheimers.

    This ^^^
  • FranWins
    FranWins Posts: 26 Member
    I have read that the RDA of carbs for a man is some 275-325g, i have been eating less than 100 a day!!!
    There are many studies on the internet explaining that carbohydrates are brain foods and to starve your body of them can and will affect brain function/memory.

    First of all, my sympathy for the diagnosis. That is a frightening thing to hear, and I understand that you want to do everything you can to take control of that. I'm going to say a few things, and then give you some citations, and I hope that you can keep an open mind.

    Our brains DO need glucose to function, and that we cannot get that from stored fat, so SOME sugar (carbohydrates) are necessary. Look into the works of Dr. Joel Furhman (author: Eat to Live) he has some great information on that.

    However, our brains are also fat. Nutritionist Tom Naughton explores that in his movie Fat Head. In it, he does advocate a low carb diet, but he also advocates staying away from a lot of the "unnatural" fats most of us consume (that is, trans-fats aka hydrogenated vegetable oils, etc) in favor of oils from nuts, coconut oils, olive oil, and yes saturated fat from meat. All things that are easily obtained if your dietary plan has a "hunter/gatherer" mentality rather than an agriculturally based one.

    Bear in mind that government dietary regulations are often based more on agriculture, and most of these "studies" that encourage high consumption of grains and carbohydrates are funded by the Department of Agriculture. In the grand scheme of human history, it has only been within the last few hundred years that we as a species have relied heavily on grains. It has also been since we began to rely on grains and agriculture - instead of what we can "hunt and gather" - that obesity and heart disease have become more and more prevalent.

    My point is, do your research before you desperately start "carb loading" and end up in an even more unhealthy situation. Your brain needs energy (sugars) to function, but don't overdo it.
  • I followed a low carb diet once, under 100g a day for almost 11 months and felt great. BUT my hair did thin quite a bit. That was the only draw back for me.
  • BrianSharpe
    BrianSharpe Posts: 9,248 Member
    Brian, that's according to an article in a magazine I got at my local health food store (I didn't keep it, sorry, otherwise I'd give you the details). It's not a clinical trial but the statements of care staff and relatives of patients, all of whom independently observed the same thing. My thinking is, try it, if it doesn't help, it won't hurt.

    sabinecbauer, read http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/521166-psuedoscience
  • Captain_Tightpants
    Captain_Tightpants Posts: 2,215 Member
    Avoid simple carbs, but complex carbs are needed for your body to function properly.

    Not true. The body actually doesn't need any dietary carbs for survival.

    Only fats, proteins and certain micro nutrients are essential.

    This isn't a paleo or low carb defense. Just basic biochemistry.
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/how-many-carbohydrates-do-you-need.html is a good primer on the subject if you want to look further into it.
  • dennydifferent
    dennydifferent Posts: 135 Member
    Alzheimer's is often asymptomatic for years. If you have it, it's likely you developed it way before going low carb.
  • awidener86
    awidener86 Posts: 247 Member
    I hope you can reverse it.
  • sheryllamb72
    sheryllamb72 Posts: 163 Member
    My Mum had alzheimers, and passed away a year ago from the disease, aged only 68. She was only diagnosed with it in 2005 and died 6 years later.

    If coconut oil is meant to be so brilliant in either slowing the disease down or stopping it, why isnt it prescribed by GP's/hospitals?? It's all a crock of crap........there is currently no over the counter herbal remedy that can slow this awful disease down.

    I'm so sorry Jeff.....I hope for yours and your family's sake that you haven't got early onset alzheimers disease.

    I wish you all the best.
  • sheryllamb72
    sheryllamb72 Posts: 163 Member
    Alzheimer's is often asymptomatic for years. If you have it, it's likely you developed it way before going low carb.

    I second this^^^^^^^
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