milk vs soy???

I feel the same way - can't seem to get a straight answer...

The natural health community, including my naturpath say soy is not good, for reasons which branch from hormones (which can encourage female reproductive cancers), to reducing testosterone in men, to containing enzymes that we cannot digest, to allergy, and so on...

The same natural health community says no to dairy - again for digestive reasons (milk is intended for baby calves, not humans), but mainly high hormone and antibiotic levels which are considered huge health problems.

We drink organic rice milk, and almond milk, however I do have goat and cow dairy every now and then as a treat (and I have a tablespoon of real cream in my coffee everyday). :blushing:

I look at it as the big picture - as long as the staples of my diet are healthy items, then I don't worry too much! :flowerforyou:

I drink soy milk because, as mentioned before, all the hormones added to regular cow's milk (I already have hormone imbalances, don't need any help!) I actually hadn't heard anything negative about soy, so I will have to look into it. Otherwise, I've not had any problems!

I'm the same. Homogenized Hormone treated milk isn't any better than soy... But Soy doesn't make me sick. I hear the best kind of milk is un-homogenized organic Cows milk from a farmer.

I drink almond milk and rice milk. Both are really great, especially the vanilla or chocolate varieties to start out with and get a taste for it!

I am wary of cows milk because of the hormones-both natural and artificial. I mean, drinking cow's natural hormones for a calf is kind of weird, right?

Also, I was a little wary of soy only because I occasionally read it might not be good in large quantities.

My daughter has just started switching from formula to rice milk.

FYI: Rice milk has the same amount of calcium and vitamin D as cow's milk.

i drink soy as cows milk doesn't agree with me so have tried soy so far so good but with you guys going on about stuff mmm maybe i should rethink. i have it every morning only one glass might see if we have flavored rice milk could be worth a try otherwise ill stick to soy and risk it. its got to be better than having nothing.

well for me, I have discovered that soy milk and organic milk agrees with me.
if I drink regulas milk, I get so sick.
all the crap in it now??? is it really milk?
I also like rice milk...

when I grew up, milk was the bomb. It was heavier, darker white and creamy.....

now that the government has decided to mess with that too?? well all I can say is, keep it away from me!!!

RBST free milk is hormone free and you can get organic versions of this.
Soy is not anymore processed than cows milk but they are not able to fully remove natural toxins in soy.

For this particular issue I think it is best to use either, it is a personal choice. Moderation is key with anything we consume. Soy is mostly a condiment in asian countries, westerners do take any bit of "good for you" advice to an extreme.

Soy is not recommended for children or teens. There are quite a few links between extreme emotional, irratic and frantic outbursts in teenagers that are fed a high soy diet (extreme emotions beyond typical teenage stuff). The myth that boys are getting breasts because of the estrogen in soy is still that, a myth, no one has proven one way or the other.

Personally, I prefer milk. My daughter was allergic to high protein items including milk as a baby and didn't consume milk until about the age of 4. I did find that regular milk made her cranky and irritable but the RBST free milk did not have those side effects. I prefer the taste of RBST free milk to regularly processed milk.

Anyway, there is a lot of information for and against both. Go online and read some of the information and make and INFORMED decision for yourself and solve the ongoing debate for yourself.

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/food/soy_story.html

here is one article. I typed "soy is bad" into google and tons came up. The problem is that there are 1000 articles for AND against soy. I don't know what to believe.

No soy! Unless in VERY small doses. It can cause hormone problems (too much estrogen- careful giving it to boys) it has been linked to ashtma, and can prohibit the absorption of nutrients. Get milk that does not have any added hormones and still take it in small doses.

Sites about soy safety:

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/weeklyquestion/a/05_soy_formula.htm

http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm

http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/articles/soynorris

I swear my son's asthma was caused by him drinking soy. We were afraid that he would be allergic to milk and wanted to avoid that route. I deeply regret it now after spending thousands on medical bills due to congestion and malnutrition.

I swear my son's asthma was caused by him drinking soy. We were afraid that he would be allergic to milk and wanted to avoid that route. I deeply regret it now after spending thousands on medical bills due to congestion and malnutrition.

My daughter and I drink rice milk and almond milk, since there seems to be no controversy with those.

My daughter and I drink rice milk and almond milk, since there seems to be no controversy with those.

The kids love rice milk too. It doesn't cook as well but they like it. We'll have to try almond milk. They love coconut milk too.

I'll have to clarify that with the kid's pediatrician and nutrician. My children have substituted soy since they stopped breastmilk (well the baby still hasn't but she drinks soy) for school and daycare a note was needed from the MD and Nutritionist so that they would not be given the cow milk state requires. Soy enriched with vitamin D is a state approved substitute. Babies allergic to cow's milk formula get soy from the state wic program nationwide as well. So not to argue but I just don't think they state would give infants soy if it was proven dangerous. Nor would my kid's peditricians sign consents stating this was the best substitute nor would the school's nutritionist give the o.k. We are also vegetarian so my children have their own nutritionist to make sure their needs are met. We also belong to several groups and the children are all fed soy and rice milk. They are all fine, they are pretty much all above average academically and if I must say so myself my girls are gorgeous. We personally have NEVER had problems with soy and in fact soy is also one of the best things to happen to me. When I drank milk I was always barfing and bloated, I had migraines and let's not get into my bowels. I was always naseaus. Most people of color (no matter race) are lactose intolerant. Mostly because a cow's milk is not the closest match to the human race for milk from the mammal world lol. I never understood why people would even give their children a cow's milk. Who decided this was the best choice and that our bodies could digest it. Yet it seems crazy to say we would get milk from say a chimp or baboon although biologically they match humans closest and probably the milk would digest best. (just something I thought about lol ) If I had a choice other than my own milk, I'd rather have a chimp lol! There is a reason though, on a serious note, that humans have so much difficulty digesting dairy and I think in the media MILK from a cow as opposed from a soy bean has MORE negative-steroids, causes lactose intolerance, recalls for pesticides, recalls due to contamination, lame cows, mad cow disease, and the list goes on. All I have heard about soy is allergy, has natural estrogen and that is all the negative I have had or it wouldn't be on the shelfs in every major and minor grocery.

Lol soy won't cause your son to grow breast. The amount of soy which does have natural estrogen you would have to ingest to change a person's hormonal balance can't even possibly be consumed in a sitting.