Stronglifts 5x5? Pros? Cons?

Im interested in this training program. I would like to hear from some folks out there that have done it or doing it. What are your thoughts?
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  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    There are some huge feedback threads on this on the bodybuilding site.
    Trend seems to put it up against starting strength, with most people thinking 3x5 is better for long term gains.


    Either way, one of the above is very good.

    ymmv.
  • ilovedeadlifts
    ilovedeadlifts Posts: 2,923 Member
    Good program.
    I'd reccommend that or starting strength.

    Run that for a good year and you should see some results.

    I wish I would've went that route when beginning. Spent too much time ****ing around with bodybuilding type workouts and got nowhere until I switched to a good barbell routine.
  • My wife and I started this a few weeks ago - like it alot - the app is easy to use and the PDF is available for free online.

    Only thing I don't care for is the squats on every session.

    But we will give it 3 months before we really judge.
  • BrettPGH
    BrettPGH Posts: 4,716 Member
    I'm doing it and I think it's working well. Don't be an idiot like me though and try to start heavier than you should. Start light and focus on form before adding weight. You really don't want to hurt yourself doing squats or deadlifts. I'm finally getting to a place where I feel like my form is better and I can start upping the weight. Watch video tutorials for any workouts you may not be familiar with.

    And don't be afraid to ask questions if you see someone in the gym doing the same lifts. I saw a guy yesterday doing overhead presses and I realized how bad mine have been. All part of learning.

    And good luck.
  • ilovedeadlifts
    ilovedeadlifts Posts: 2,923 Member
    My wife and I started this a few weeks ago - like it alot - the app is easy to use and the PDF is available for free online.

    Only thing I don't care for is the squats on every session.

    But we will give it 3 months before we really judge.

    It'll be a bit boring, but squatting 3x a week will really build some muscle/strength.
    As long as your hips are feeling okay, keep squatting.
  • Brandongood
    Brandongood Posts: 311 Member
    Thanks! Im hearing nothing but good things about this program so Im definitely gonna try it out
  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    Be very, very sure you know what you're doing when it comes to form. Bent over rows can wreck your lower back if you don't engage it properly. Not to mention what the rest can do.
  • Brandongood
    Brandongood Posts: 311 Member
    Is stronglifts good for building muscle mass, or should I do something different for that?
  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    Is stronglifts good for building muscle mass, or should I do something different for that?

    You'll get very solid, strong muscles. If you're just looking for beach muscles, it might not be your dish.
  • Brandongood
    Brandongood Posts: 311 Member
    I see. So you can pack on some mass with Stronglifts, then cut later?
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Pros:
    Great strength building program
    Very easy to calculate and figure out progression
    Hits all the major muscle groups

    Cons:
    The website has good info, but Medhi can reach "used car salesman" levels of annoyance at times.

    All in all, I started the program in December, and saw huge gains before I had to stop and take the last month off due to a shoulder and back injury (unrelated to Stronglifts.) looking to get back into it in the week or so.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    I see. So you can pack on some mass with Stronglifts, then cut later?

    5x5 is a strength building routine, not a hypertrophy routine. You will build strength, and dense, heavy muscles, but you won't build body builder type large muscles. Pretty much you'll be able to bench press a Buick, but throw a shirt on and you'll just look like a regular guy, you won't have huge muscles bulging out of your shirt.
  • Brandongood
    Brandongood Posts: 311 Member
    I see. Sounds like a great strength training program
  • ilovedeadlifts
    ilovedeadlifts Posts: 2,923 Member
    I see. So you can pack on some mass with Stronglifts, then cut later?

    5x5 is a strength building routine, not a hypertrophy routine. You will build strength, and dense, heavy muscles, but you won't build body builder type large muscles. Pretty much you'll be able to bench press a Buick, but throw a shirt on and you'll just look like a regular guy, you won't have huge muscles bulging out of your shirt.

    It depends on how you eat. Lifting heavy doesn't mean you build dense heavy muscles.

    To the OP, yes you'll put on some muscle mass from this. Eat big and lift heavy, then you can cut later if you want.
    Simple barbell routines will pack on mass, and you can look like you lift even with a shirt on. I've never seen a 600+ pound deadlifter that didn't look like he lifted. If you're hitting heavy compounds, you're gonna get big.
  • Brandongood
    Brandongood Posts: 311 Member
    Awesome thanks everyone!
  • chiera88
    chiera88 Posts: 155
    thanks everybody! i've been looking for more info on this!
  • OLFATUG
    OLFATUG Posts: 393 Member
    ... Pretty much you'll be able to bench press a Buick...

    Sign me up! What is the web site?
  • Brandongood
    Brandongood Posts: 311 Member
    ... Pretty much you'll be able to bench press a Buick...

    Sign me up! What is the web site?

    Send me your email I'll shoot you the PDF
  • myak623
    myak623 Posts: 615 Member
    I'm 2 weeks into it and I have enjoyed it. It's motivating to keep adding weight to the lifts. I went too long trying to develop my own workouts. While I had success with my own routine, it became monotonous. I use the iphone app and it helps me keep track of the workouts.


    Edit: And yes, lifting vehicles is a good goal to have.
  • jenniejengin
    jenniejengin Posts: 784 Member
    bump
  • thormaxx
    thormaxx Posts: 1 Member
    I have been running strong lifts for 7 weeks now... and I started with a "cut" earlier this week. I am aiming for a 1/2 lb loss each week to try and shed some of this 21% bodyfat. The lifts are getting quite difficult now, and I hope at just over 2000 cals, I can still press forward while seeing more physcial changes in my body. at 202 lbs today, I would like to get down to 185.

    Strong lifts is a great program, but I find that I need to supplement core movements at the end as I don't see much in change in my midesction at all.
  • FireBrand80
    FireBrand80 Posts: 378 Member
    I agree with all the pros listed above. The only criticism I have is that 5x5 might be a little too much volume for someone trying to get stronger while in a calorie deficit. 3x5 would potentially allow for superior progression, in my opinion.
  • Determinednoob
    Determinednoob Posts: 2,001 Member
    It is decent. It is pretty much based off of older similar routines that are based off of even older similar routines. Others to look at would be original Starting Strength, Onus Wunsler, Witchita Falls, Babylovers SS, Greyskull LP, Reg Park's 5x5. I know at least one of them does squats only 2 times per week with the third day being deadlifts.

    There is also this routine that is not a strict strength routine but is easier to manage on a calorie deficit and has built in deloading so you don't have to concern yourself with figuring that out. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4195843
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    ... Pretty much you'll be able to bench press a Buick...

    Sign me up! What is the web site?

    What program should I use if I want to be able to bench press a different model of car? Say, a Ford?
  • I see. So you can pack on some mass with Stronglifts, then cut later?

    5x5 is a strength building routine, not a hypertrophy routine. You will build strength, and dense, heavy muscles, but you won't build body builder type large muscles. Pretty much you'll be able to bench press a Buick, but throw a shirt on and you'll just look like a regular guy, you won't have huge muscles bulging out of your shirt.

    Lol! Basically, it's easier to maintain your mild mannered alter ego :)
  • I love SL5x5 myself. That, along w/MFP and biking on my off days, I managed to drop 30lbs and 6% body fat in about 6 months. I dropped off for the (extended) winter and gained back 18lbs and 4% body fat. 4 weeks back in and I've dropped 5lbs and lost 2% body fat. Right now I'm looking to maintain wait and drop about 5% more body fat.
  • AngryDiet
    AngryDiet Posts: 1,349 Member
    I've been doing it for a little while, on a calorie deficit.

    There are definite strength and visual improvements, but they aren't what you'd call "striking." They say that it's tough to build muscle on a calorie deficit, and it appears to be true at least for me. On the other hand, I haven't been shedding muscle along with the fat, and that's a very good thing.

    That being said, I do expect that it will build a strong foundation for more focused lifting once past the fat loss stage.

    Optimal muscle mass increases seems to reside more in the 6-8 rep range, as well as having a 500-1000 calorie surplus daily.

    And the usual bulking/cutting regime.
  • taylor5877
    taylor5877 Posts: 1,792 Member
    If you lift a lot of weight it can be tough, particularly deadlifting and squating on the same days 3x per week, but I think the program addresses this.

    I tried it for a month or so, and the lifts in it are absolutely the cornerstone of any strength training routine.

    I still do the lifts, but I just don't do them as often as 3x week.
  • entrement
    entrement Posts: 1 Member
    This is incorrect. Bodybuilder before the steroid era used 5x5 routines to build impressive physiques. This is a body builder routine. It's definitely not a power lifting routine. Added strength will add mass.
  • Huffdogg
    Huffdogg Posts: 1,934 Member
    This is incorrect. Bodybuilder before the steroid era used 5x5 routines to build impressive physiques. This is a body builder routine. It's definitely not a power lifting routine. Added strength will add mass.

    ?? 5 rep sets are exactly in the range most often recommended for pure strength improvement, as is rapid periodization.


    I did SL for 12 weeks, and think that it was good for me. That having been said, I wish I'd done SS instead. I believe that the Power Clean is a superior exercise when compared to the BB row for overall strength and athleticism, and I think 3x5 @ a reasonable weight determined by bar speed after learning form is a way better and more useful, sustainable format than 5x5 starting with an empty bar.

    TBH, I fully believe that Mehdi uses the "start with the empty bar" gimmick solely so that he can show emails from people saying "I increased my squat by 100 pounds in x weeks!!"

    Lastly, and I can't believe I'm the first to bring this up, but Starting Strength is a full, highly detailed book, quite possibly the best you will ever read on the topic of the biomechanics of barbell compound lifting, with excellent pictures, diagrams, detailed explanations of proper form and WHY one form tweak is more desirable than another. I still go back and read sections of that book to this day.