I'm debating whether or not to stop counting fruits and vegg

Actually, grapes are a low-sugar food. I apologize that I don't have my old WW valet, but if I remember correctly, you would have to eat 1-1/2 cups of grapes to equal "1" point (50 to 60 calories). (Any Weight Watchers members please correct me if I'm wrong)

Really fleshy fruits like mangos and bananas are higher in points/calories, AND may also have some hidden fats. Citrus is just high in sugars. These are still okay as long as eaten in moderation (these you may want to count)

The best fruits to eat are berries (strawberrys, raspberries, blueberries, grapes, cherries) and melons(watermelon, cantelope), because they have the lowest sugar content (i.e. Strawberries have less sugar than lemons).

As I see it, as long as you watch what "types" of fruit and vegetables you eat, there should be no problem if you don't count them, as it is said "You can eat anything... in moderation". I hope this helps.

(Apologies... this was suppose to be a reply to "Twinshe" 's comment on page one. I'm still trying to figure out how the boards work here)

I count everything that goes into my mouth... a calorie is a calorie.

Thanks for the input, everyone--there's some super valuable info and advice here.

I think that since I'm new to counting, the weighing and measuring of 8 carrot sticks and a kiwi at lunch, only to then "blow" my exercise calories with a paltry banana made my face hurt. I admire those of you who can demurely eat 3 strawberries and call it a day--alas, my brain can't take it! I'm coming from a place of reckless Rolo abandon--I think I need to allow myself a limitless supply of blueberries for the time being.

I'll try the fruits and veg are free route for a few weeks, and then perhaps take it back to counting just fruit. I'll certainly keep you posted:-)

If you are new to counting, I highly suggest logging everything you eat or drink, no matter what it is.

I would count everything. WW is not calorie counting and that's what MFP is. I don't think you should mix and match. I think it's risky to pick and choose certain parts of a diet plans that you like, like unlimited fruits and veg, and mix them with another plan. The plans I think are more different than you might think.

One reason that I stopped using WW is that when they stopped counting fruits and veggies as points they increased the points of other things. Like one glass of wine is the same amount of calories as the banana (120) but the wine gets 4 points! Yikes! I hated that, lol!

I don't agree so much with the response "calories are calories." Let's face it - there are calories from [nutritionally] good sources and calories from junk.

I think your approach makes sense - don't feel guilty for eating nutritionally sound food

I would log everything! If your calorie goal doesn't allow you to eat a serving of fruit or 2 and 3-4 healthy filling meals, then you may just need to up your calories a bit. Maybe move a little bit more. It's all about balance. :-)

Good advice. Log the calories -- you need to know how much fruit you're eating, even if it does make you go over your calories.

On the positive side, you'll see how much nutrition you're getting from all the vitamins in those fruits and veggies.

Well, I don't think this is about somehow cheating or fooling myself, it's about being realistic about what will and won't put on weight, and how exactly things impact me emotionally.

I'd rather mindlessly nibble on blueberries while watching TV, than gorge on chips. Allowing for freedom in this one area seems to be relaxing me so far. I just ate a handful of red grapes and half an apple with this gleeful feeling of 'this is my free food, I don't have to walk 20 minutes to burn off an apple." Even though it was 55 calories. No one ever got fat eating an apple. It's more of a state of mind thing.

Just as I don't rely on the scale, I rely on the mirror and my "fighting weight" jeans to tell me if I feel and look good--I would consider my ideal diet an "eat right, don't obsess over 50 calories worth of pineapple" one. So, that being the case, maybe this will work for a while. Especially since I don't eat 89 pieces of fruit in a day, but I'd rather reach for a peach when I need a snack than a cookie.

I think you have a healthy mental idea here. Also - how much deficit do you have built in? Because really, its very unlikely that you'll eat more than 200-300 calories worth of fruit and veggies in a day no matter how hard you try (now if you add sugar or oil/butter to them do count that). Maybe you'll lose a bit slower but you won't feel stressed about eating a piece of fruit and I think that's worth a lot.

Thanks for the input, everyone--there's some super valuable info and advice here.

I think that since I'm new to counting, the weighing and measuring of 8 carrot sticks and a kiwi at lunch, only to then "blow" my exercise calories with a paltry banana made my face hurt. I admire those of you who can demurely eat 3 strawberries and call it a day--alas, my brain can't take it! I'm coming from a place of reckless Rolo abandon--I think I need to allow myself a limitless supply of blueberries for the time being.

I'll try the fruits and veg are free route for a few weeks, and then perhaps take it back to counting just fruit. I'll certainly keep you posted:-)

If you are new to counting, I highly suggest logging everything you eat or drink, no matter what it is.

Thanks. The problem is I currently *deeply* resent being made to labor over 8 carrot sticks, knowing full well no one ever gained weight eating carrots. I feel like if I ease into it, and let myself zone out at my desk with some snap peas (where once it was gummy bears) I'll better be able to not hate the hell out of this process, as I found myself doing today with all the weighing and fretting over plant foods.

It would be really interesting to see your diary...I understand your frustration and the desire to focus on healthy food vs. Rolos and Gummy bears. For most fruits and veggies the calories are low relative to starchy/fatty foods, so may it be possible that you would make better choices anyway by counting everything? I'm imagining you'd still be ahead of the game logging 50 blueberries vs 50 Rolos...

At the end of the day, I usually have a few calories to play with, and at that point fruit and veggies are always a great bet to fill the gap.

Anyway, good luck!

Maybe you need to change your outlook. "Good thing I earned those exercise calories so I can enjoy this banana!"

Personally I think you should log everything. If I didn't log fruits and veggies I would gain for sure.

calories are calories. You could try with certain veggies, but I would always count fruit.

This. Plus I have other things set on my diary to watch, like fiber, sodium, protein, carbs, so I don't want to miss logging fiber-rich veggies to give myself credit.

I still think you should eat fruit and veg with abandon...but logging them gives you the most complete picture of your nutrients. If it makes you feel better, reset what you are tracking on your diary to show calcium or vitamin C as well as the typical cals, fat, etc. so that you see some positive things on there as well.

Mon 04/02/12 02:29 PMHere is my take on this - I log everything I eat, even the little bites here and there. But if I go over my 1200 allowed calories, I do not overreact. I figure if I wasn't counting calories, I would probably eat more then 2000 without even knowing about it, so I would rather know that I went 200 or even 300 calories over my limit because it would still be less then I used to eat. That is why I love this plan, it gives you a freedom to decide what to eat and as long as you are reasonable you will still lose weight. Maybe just not as fast. This gives me the ability to stick with this plan and make it a way of life. If you start beating yourself up for every calory that you went over, you will soon quit and that is not what you want to do.

I get the "calories are calories" argument, but not all calories are the same. I'm not just talking about the carb/fat/protein distinction. Fruits and veggies are loaded with nutrients that you won't get in, say, a handful of pretzels or a 100 calorie pack of cookies.

I'm a big fan of logging everything - not just so that I can see that I've eaten within my calorie range, but so that I can feel good about the choices that I made. A banana is a "punishment" if you're only considering the calories and not the choices you've made. Sure, you could have grabbed a 100 calorie pack of cookies, but would you feel as good about that decision if you looked at your log at the end of the day? Logging my good choices gives me a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day and I'd really hate to lose that.

Why wouldn't you count them? :indifferent: