Dr told me to stop logging :-0
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So my question to all of you is do you really think I could be worse off vitamin and mineral wise than i was when I was obese? It doesn't make any sence.
Sure, you could be. But not logging your food isn't going to change that. In fact, logging it will give you a better chance of figuring out what you're actually getting. So that you can improve it.0 -
Severe caloric deprivation can lead to vitamin & mineral deficiency. If that's the case then you can always use a good multivitamin. But if you have been sick for a few weeks, that would cause you to be run down. Also, not all calories are created equal. Junk food vs wholesome food are not the same and affect you differently. You will feel a lot better if you eat less processed, sugary & fatty foods. Not that this has anything to do with sinusitis mind you. Just try to focus on getting well, maybe get a good multivitamin & make sure you are drinking enough water to help flush the nasty stuff out of your body :flowerforyou:0
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Keep logging and take a multivitamin and maybe some emergen-c
I don't think logging your food is directly related to your illnesses, but maybe you aren't getting enough vitamins and minerals. 0 -
Not sure how not logging would suddenly mean you were getting appropriate nutrients. A good doctor would have said, "Great - let's have a look and see if your diet is giving you what you need." It's more data for the doctor to help assess you. That is if your doctor gives a damn about actually assess YOU rather than making a generalization that has nothing to do with whether or not you are logging calories. I haven't looked at your diary but noted that others said you need a better variety of foods. I'd take that to heart if I were you. :-)0
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Two weeks ago I went to the drs and was diagnosed with sinusitus (sp?) Given antibiotics and told if I don't get any better in two weeks to go back.
Since then I have had a temperature every day and developed a really sore throat and sores in my mouth (gross I know). So today I went back to see him again and he says he thinks I've got a second viral infection and the start of tonsillitus (sp?) He also asked if I've lost weight (think he noticed my notes had about me being obese and I'm not now) and so I told him is been calorie counting and he told me to stop as I seem run down so probably not getting enough vitamins ect!
Anyway I don't think I can stop logging my food so I've switched my goal to maintenance for the moment and I'm going to concentrate on eating healthier as for the last couple of weeks I've been eating what tastes ok (which isn't much).
So my question to all of you is do you really think I could be worse off vitamin and mineral wise than i was when I was obese? It doesn't make any sence.
Maybe he thinks you must be on a severe calorie restricted diet, and doesn't want the body having extra stress right now being malnourished, either nutrient or energy wise. Perhaps that's why he thinks you got worse.
But you are eating at a great level. So a little more won't be bad. Just getting the sickies. Probably got another bug while weak.0 -
I have to take multi vits & minerals 100% of my daily needs as I had a gastric bypass 15 months ago. Even with this & very good health eating they pick up occassional dips in some things. Currently ferratin & Vit D!! The vitamins are just not in the food anymore as it is so intensively reared & processed, not at the levels they used to be anyway!
Take the supplements & eat a balanced diet to a sensible level while you are ill then go back to being more controlled when you are better.0 -
Don't take this the wrong way, but since your dairy is open..............
You are providing a prime example of how you can lose weight, just by caloric deficit, but not be healthy.
You are losing weight, yes, but you are not taking in proper nutrition.0 -
OP - what the Dr said to you is like saying "the cause of obesity is bathroom scales." What does logging have to do with WHAT you are eating or for that matter, how much one is eating? If you were eating 3500 calories a day of proteins and veggies but logging it all - would that still be an issue? That may have been the short way of saying that he thinks that by logging you are restricting too much but the bigger picture is looking at what you are eating (whether logging or not).
I agree, it sounds like the doctor feels you are malnourished and perhaps not eating enough?? You need to print out your logs and see a trained nutritionist that will do blood work to see your deficiencies. Don't just go and get a multi-vitamin and continue to not fuel your body with the right foods. Even my primary doctor did blood work before making any recommendations.0 -
I checked your diary, since you have it open. The bulk of your calories are junk and processed foods, rather than vegetables and fruits. You definitely need help with nutrition. It is definitely possible to be healthy and be a healthy weight. The key is eating healthy foods. Good luck and God bless!
^^^This
Get some vitamin C in you as well in the form of fruit and veg.0 -
Thanks again for all your advice I do eat nuts and seeds I get graze boxes through the post and they are in little pre portioned punets but I always log them under the silly names they give them.
As for vegetables I'm trying to up them I most of which have to come from frozen due to money problems and the fact my other half is not in on this health thing at all and insists on eating loads of crap in huge quantities. So the most I get fresh wise usually is a bit of salad and the occasional stir fry. As for meat he refuses to buy anything like that as its "too expensive". Not that thats any excuse and i have managed to sneak a few more healthy things in this week and I got some eggs for protein. I know I should put my foot down but he always takes it like a personal attack.
The whole Dr thing over here is different I think as I'm in the UK where we get free healthcare so its all about saving money with the drs. Like he didn't give me antibiotics this time as he said I just need to see how I go ect same with blood tests they have to think you need one before you get them.
I really do agree with you all that my diet is awful and has slipped for a while I really didn't realise how much until you all pointed it out just goes to show how easy it is to slip back into old habits.
Thank you again everyone
From my psych studies:
1) People's diets tend to mimic those who are closest to them. You really should try to convince your other half to be more like you not you like him since he seems to be the one with the bad habits.
2) If he sees is as a personal attack, this is not a food issue, it is a mental issue. What are you attacking? Why does he think you are being aggressive to him? Step back for a moment and reason it out. Is it him or is it you? If it's him, what can you do to alleviate that pressure? In my general experience, the person that feels attacked is either trying to stick to 'habit' which they feel that you are attacking them for their 'habit' or they are feeling 'fear' which is fear of change. Either one will send anyone into a defensive position, but point out the logical conclusions and they might see different. No change and things don't get better, change, and things CAN get better. Taking charge of your health shouldn't be an attack to him but should inspire him to do better, if he is wise enough to realize that.
Basically he is 140lb over weight always eaten the way he has and doesn't want to change! He sometimes dabbles with the idea of being healthy but it never lasts. I feel really mean saying this but its the only awquard part of our relationship.
Who does the cooking? My husband wasn't thrilled with the changes I was making to our family diet but then he found out he has high cholesterol, plus I started taking over the cooking, and then he had no choice. He could eat the food I made or he could make something for himself.0 -
I would get a second opinion
and start tracking your vitamins :flowerforyou:0 -
multivitamins0
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I notice that most days you aren't even netting 1200 calories. It's hard to get the full amount of vitamins your body needs when you aren't even getting all the calories it needs...0
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From my psych studies:
1) People's diets tend to mimic those who are closest to them. You really should try to convince your other half to be more like you not you like him since he seems to be the one with the bad habits.
I am curious regarding the studies you point out; this can be a slippery slope: If you tend to hang with fat people you will be fat. Took a long time to dispel that myth, many peer reviewed studies support that. Also if it were the reverse were true MFP would be a different app altogether. I don't mean to be argumentative, curious more than anything with regards to this discussion.
Here's some relevant studies. This was actually brought up by my psych professor at university, but here's some examples of family influence on diet:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18334049
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22427108
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22365936
http://her.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/2/187.full.pdf0 -
He probably associates calorie counting with unhealthy starvation eating habits, most people do. Doctors are trained to look out for that when they see weight loss. Explain to him that you are also counting your nutrients and ask what he suggests nutrition wise. Despite what some of these comments say, doctors actually know ALOT about nutrition and how the human body works, so just talk to him.0
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Two weeks ago I went to the drs and was diagnosed with sinusitus (sp?) Given antibiotics and told if I don't get any better in two weeks to go back.
Since then I have had a temperature every day and developed a really sore throat and sores in my mouth (gross I know). So today I went back to see him again and he says he thinks I've got a second viral infection and the start of tonsillitus (sp?) He also asked if I've lost weight (think he noticed my notes had about me being obese and I'm not now) and so I told him is been calorie counting and he told me to stop as I seem run down so probably not getting enough vitamins ect!
Anyway I don't think I can stop logging my food so I've switched my goal to maintenance for the moment and I'm going to concentrate on eating healthier as for the last couple of weeks I've been eating what tastes ok (which isn't much).
So my question to all of you is do you really think I could be worse off vitamin and mineral wise than i was when I was obese? It doesn't make any sence.
i read through the first page of this thread and there is some pretty bad advice being given to you.
you are sick and have gotten worse in 2 weeks. your body obviously needs more nutrients, and more importantly, calories to fight off your infections. don't discount how hard it is for a body to fight sickness, its hard work and your body needs a surplus of energy to do it effectively.
i'm not saying pig out but don't deprive your body of the resources it needs when you are sick. look at it as a temporary hiatus until you are better.
look after your immediate health concerns first before your long term ones.0 -
I like the idea of maintenance mode while you heal up from these illnesses. You've gotten some great replies regarding foods to make sure you eat. (^_^) Be well.0
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You know, I think most GPs get around half a day of nutrition training, just the basics, so unless your doctor is a trained nutrionalist, i'm not sure he/she is qualified to comment, especially if they didnt do a vitamin/mineral analysis. Best bet is to eat some good old fresh fruit and veg
That is wrong in many many aspects.
We have a semester long class that is all nutrition and then our systems based courses (pathology, biochem, anatomy, phys, etc) all integrate vitamins an minerals and their role in that respect along with signs and symptoms of their deficits or excess.0 -
Perhaps he/she thought that the calorie goal wasn't adequate? When I first started here, I showed my doctor, and he said that the calorie goal was too low (the default weight loss here is set to lose one pound a week), and he said that the ideal/healthiest goal for losing weight is a half pound a week. Maybe give that a try and see how it goes.0
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I'm tired and only read your first post, so sorry if I'm not much help here. My recommendation would just be to take a multivitamin every day if you don't already. Of course it's better to get vitamins through food but if you're not getting enough that way a multivitamin is really helpful. That's what I had to start doing!
Also, you can use MFP to track basically all major vitamins and nutrients, so you may want to add those options to your diary so you can see if you really are getting too little in those areas. Good luck, and get well soon! I've had tonsillitis and it was AWFUL
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When you are sick you need non dieting calories to get better. Eat maintenance until you are well then resume.0
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Diet and exercise, especially the kind needed to drop significant weight, can lower your compromise your immune system and make you vulnerable to getting sick. Which is why you need to add some sort of supplements to your regime if you haven't already.
I got really sick in January from a skin infection called MRSA, and that's what my doctor told me. Since then, I make sure to take a multivitamin, vitamin C and ecinhacea most days to help.
I definately don't think that you should stop tracking your calories.0 -
When you are sick you need non dieting calories to get better. Eat maintenance until you are well then resume.
Yes, this is good advice.0 -
I took a quick peek at your diary and you are surely not getting enough nutrients and fuel for your body.
This.
Maybe your diet has been different since you've been sick, but from a quick peek, you're not eating enough calories to reach your goal--you're getting even less nutrients. Maintenance is probably a good idea, but definitely also change what MFP keeps track of to include vitamins.0 -
My 5 year old daughter was recently ill and after having strep developed secondary infections in her throat/ears. I then got sick, was misdiagnosed with strep and though my illness ran the same course as my daughter's, I ended up being diagnosed with mono. Apparently kids fight it off, but teenagers/adults aren't so lucky.
If the sores in your mouth are on your tonsils and look green/black/or pus filled, PLEASE ask your doctor to test you for mono.0 -
It sounds like his main concern was not much the logging but the calorie counting itself, as in he thinks you need more, so stop counting for now. You could still log your food, and like so many have said it would be good to track your nutrients and get in some healthy foods. Also, for the sores in your mouth, try taking 500-1000 units of L-Lysine. You can get them almost anywhere. Take one a day until the sores are healed. Beware, if you've never taken them before they can bother your stomach at first, but they work. Hope you feel better soon!0
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Since this is myfitnesspal, not myweightlosspal your priority has got to be getting well enough to live well and diet again if you need to at a later date surely?
Take your doctor's advice, have a few weeks of eating more and more variety, bigger well planned dinners rather than crappy starchy snacks and build up your immunity again and then when you are well again deal with any weight you have regained then.
You've lost well before so know you can again!0 -
Personally, I think it sounds like your doctor is concerned that you need a more balanced diet, but I disagree with his assessment that you should stop logging. The first step to achieving a balance diet is to assess what you are currently eating and then make changes to it.
If your doctor recommends you see a dietitian, then the first thing they will do is get you to keep a food diary... which is exactly what you are doing!
I would suggest taking a good, all-round, daily multivitamin supplement if you're not already (which I found I needed to do after a couple of weeks of MFP). You can also check your food diary reports to get an indication of which other nutrients you might be short of (for example, I found I wasn't getting enough iron which was leaving me very tired).
The key to any ailment is information, and sometimes it pays to become a "professional patient" and do the research that your doctor doesn't always have the time or inclination to do. Good luck!
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