How can carbs be bad when ppl have eaten them for thousands
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Sit around and not exercise, eat processed and fast food "IN EXCESS" pretty much tells the story for the most part.
The problem I have with this logic is that there are plenty of people who do exercise and still can't lose weight. There are also plenty of people who eat whatever they want, do no exercise, and don't gain weight. Plus there is no compelling evidence that physical activity makes all that much of a difference in weight loss. Plus I haven't seen compelling evidence that we are as sedentary as people make us out to be. And then add the evidence that body fat storage is regulated. So my belief based on all that is that its more a genetic response to the environment and not a behavioral problem.0 -
Grinch, are you suggesting that all of our attempts at losing weight is feeble? Huh. All this time I was eating less for no reason. I guess I'm doomed to be fat even though at one point I never was fat. In that case, it's not my fault. I'll just go eat everything in my cupboard now.0
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Carbs aren't bad. Just abused. Like many other things...0
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Well, i wouldn't demonize carbs, BUT i haven't had any processed carbs for a few months now and feel fantastic. i'm having an easier time losing weight, and am gaining muscle like crazy, simply by replacing the calories i would eat in carbs with protein.
I'm just going by how fantastic i feel and all the energy i have now (that i didn't have before). maybe give it a shot? it's easier to do than you think.
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ANYTHING in excess is potentially "bad". All the processed junk and additives in our foods is what's actually bad.0
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Carbs in fresh fruit and vegetables are not bad..
Carbs from table sugar, flour, and starchy vegetables are very bad.
Humans were eating fruit and vegetables for a couple hundred thousand years and our ancient human ancestors for hundreds of thousands more years before that...
The other carbs are relatively recent.0 -
Excess carbs is bad. If you're eating clean and healthy then this shouldn't be a problem anyway!0
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Vegan 80/10/10 for me dropped 5lbs since and lowered my bf% 2-3%. been smashing all my PR Times by a full minute. I have more energy and able to suffer through a long ride, run and or brick before I crash. Brown Rice, steel cut oats, fruits, veggies, Legumes.0
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The ones that people have been eating for thousands of years aren't all that bad, but you show me a civilization that has been eating, ho hos and twinkies, big macs and mac n cheese for even a couple of years. The carbs that nature gave us are good for most people. It's all the other crap that get's lumped in that gives carbs a bad name. When I think of carbs, what comes to mind is tasteless, bleached, white bread, mac n cheese, mashed potatoes, sugary cereals, etc... those are not carbs the way nature intended.0
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One time my trainer asked me what I eat and as I was listing it she said "Oh you're still ON bread?" like it was a drug or something!!
Years back I had a nurse practitioner address my weight loss and then say "Well, you need to cut carbs out of your diet completely - then you will lose weight."
I was not cutting potatoes. I live for potatoes.
I did not lose weight.
However, when I changed my eat habits (i.e. OVEREATING), I lost weight! Wait, what? Not by reducing carbs????? That's right.
I love carbs.... I have no intention of quitting them. And I actually am pretty well balanced, despite my passionate lust for potatoes and rice.0 -
Carbs themselves aren't bad. In fact, we can't really live healthfully without some level of carbs in our diet.
But when HFCS, corn syrup, dextrose, and other sugars are mixed into every food you eat (for preservative, flavor or taste masking purposes - sugar is versatile) then you end up eating way too many badly-processed carbs without even knowing it. When you eat bread you know you're eating carbs, but when you're eating bacon? Beef? Broth? I don't expect to be eating carbs when I eat many foods, but I am getting a few, sometimes even a lot, because of additives.
When you drink a can of soda with a meal you add 25-40 carbs to your meal just from the soda!
So yeah, overdosing on carbs is bad for you. And, depending on your dietary needs and weight loss goals, eating a low carb diet can be very beneficial. You can pick out the advantages and disadvantages of any healthy diet, whether that's low carb and moderated fat, or low fat and high carb. Regardless of how you choose to eat, you have to always be aware of what's going into your body. With that awareness you become healthier.0 -
Carbs in fresh fruit and vegetables are not bad..
Carbs from table sugar, flour, and starchy vegetables are very bad.
Humans were eating fruit and vegetables for a couple hundred thousand years and our ancient human ancestors for hundreds of thousands more years before that...
The other carbs are relatively recent.
Excess total carbs are the only things that matters from a weight loss point of view regarding carbs and total calories overall. Your statement is true in regard to overall health factors but it sounds like your saying in essence that carbs from fruit and veggies don't count and eat all you want. If you trying to lose weight, you need to maintain a deficit and all food needs to be considered in you daily eating goal regardless of the source.0 -
ACG is right, I remember everything being low fat when i was younger and now the latest 'fad' is low carb - everything in moderation is the way to go!!
Carbs are not bad, more the type of carbs that most people eat nowadays - asians eat a lot of rice and are generally super healthy, americans / uk eat too many carbs that are processed to death and usually deep fried!!!!!!
BTW - carbs are fine for coeliacs, its wheat gluten that causes the problem (which is found in PROCESSED carbs like bread / pasta) so natural carbs such as oats, potatoes and rice are fine :-)
I have celiac so I keep away from processed carbs. Breads and pastas could easily put myself, my mom and brother in the hospital. The outcome is just not pretty at times. Potatoes and rice is where we get our good carbs from. But, of course, those are in moderation.0 -
American carbs are not real. They put all kinds of stuff in the bread, the rice, etc. Now even if you make your own bread, the flour would have been bleached, and that isn't good either. So the best kind is outside the US, where there are no preservatives in the foods.
[EDIT] or grow your own stuff and make it from that. 0 -
carbs arent bad. vegtables are carbs. fruit are carbs. its the refined carbs that are bad - chocolate, biscuits, crisps, white breads. people cant do a no carb diet anyway. because all theyd be eating is meat pretty much!!0
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Grinch, are you suggesting that all of our attempts at losing weight is feeble? Huh. All this time I was eating less for no reason. I guess I'm doomed to be fat even though at one point I never was fat. In that case, it's not my fault. I'll just go eat everything in my cupboard now.
Nice reasoning.
No I think that the majority of people with weight problems have some intolerance to carbohydrates. I think eating a high carb calorie restricted diet is not very helpful in the long term. I don't care what works for you, I'm talking about people who have weight problems.0 -
It is not...
the derivative (Monosaccharide) is metabolised by pretty much every known organism, without it ATP storage would be too low...
the only problem with carbohydrates is the water storage capacity.0 -
Read The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson... Or go to www.marksdailyapple.com. Go Primal!! :bigsmile:0
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On an evolutionary time scale people have not been eating grains for very long, only some 10.000 or 20.000 years.
Compare that to about 2.000.000 years eating everything else.
Now experts say we need to suddenly eat totally different? As in grain products as the basis of our food pyramid?
Doesn't really make sense.
Wenn grains and sugars are processed to create foods that contain lots of energy and little to no nutrients, combined with a sendentary live style, then your insulin will spike after you eat and excess energy is strored in fat.
We don't want to be fat. That's why carbs, as in grain products and sugars, are bad.0 -
It is the processed carbs and all the added sugar that usually comes along with carbs. If you look at most of our processed foods sugar or a form of sugar is one of the top ingredients in most of the carbs we eat. If you stick to a measured portion of carbs that don't have added sugar or fructose etc. then carbs are definitely a healthy part of our diet - that means whole grains or plain rice etc.0
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Well, i wouldn't demonize carbs, BUT i haven't had any processed carbs for a few months now and feel fantastic. i'm having an easier time losing weight, and am gaining muscle like crazy, simply by replacing the calories i would eat in carbs with protein.
I'm just going by how fantastic i feel and all the energy i have now (that i didn't have before). maybe give it a shot? it's easier to do than you think.
I don't know how easy this would be as I choose not to eat meat. And like many countries that don't put a huge emphasis on meat, I eat a lot more carbs (Japan, Central America, etc).0 -
I dont think that all carbs are bad - just as others have said. Processed carbs - sugars, etc are bad, especially in large amounts. I personally cant have that many carbs and the carbs I do eat must come from natural sources only - whole grains, veggies, fruits, etc. I cant really even have too much fruit - esp those high in natural sugars like watermelon. That is for ME personally. I am insulin resistant with borderline diabetes. I LOVE chocolate, bread, white rice, etc but when I eat it, my body basically shuts down and being healthy is impossible for me. Even when I was on a 1500 calorie diet and eating healthy carbs, I was gaining weight. My body just cant handle it.. anyway, my Dr. put me on low carb diet and all of a sudden, I feel great and the weight is finally coming off. So anyway, I dont think carbs are bad. I love them in fact BUT they arent good for everyone or they are good, but just in moderation.0
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Read The Primal Blueprint by Mark Sisson... Or go to www.marksdailyapple.com. Go Primal!! :bigsmile:
Only if you want your head filled with lots of nonsenseOn an evolutionary time scale people have not been eating grains for very long, only some 10.000 or 20.000 years.
Compare that to about 2.000.000 years eating everything else.
Now experts say we need to suddenly eat totally different? As in grain products as the basis of our food pyramid?
Doesn't really make sense.
Wenn grains and sugars are processed to create foods that contain lots of energy and little to no nutrients, combined with a sendentary live style, then your insulin will spike after you eat and excess energy is strored in fat.
We don't want to be fat. That's why carbs, as in grain products and sugars, are bad
Excess calories make you fat regardless of it's carbs, fats or pro.0 -
Carbs in fresh whole form are not bad. Fruit, veggies, some grains. It's the stuff that's all sugar and processed flour thats not so good for you. Like all things though in moderation it's doable. Stick to the edge of the grocery store and those are the healthier carbs except the cake and candy isle on the front edge. Balance and experimentation is the key. Some folks do well on higher carbs and others on less. Mother nature knows her stuff. It's when man strips the good stuff down and fortifies a bar of sugar/maltodetr#$&/Titan$@&@&/Oxcid@$&&/Dye 33546758ew568(you get the picture) that we get messed up.
Now pass me my coffee and my 50% off reeses chocolate easter bunny. Yeah breakfast!0 -
Nice reasoning.
No I think that the majority of people with weight problems have some intolerance to carbohydrates. I think eating a high carb calorie restricted diet is not very helpful in the long term. I don't care what works for you, I'm talking about people who have weight problems.
There is evidence that does suggest high fat and low fat phenotypes but I don't think all overweight people (or even the majority) have problems with carbohydrates. It does become a trial and error thing but Im not convinced someone who is in a caloric deficit can have fat loss completely halted by the introduction of carbohydrates.0 -
Only if you want your head filled with lots of nonsenseExcess calories make you fat regardless of it's carbs, fats or pro.
I agree that excess calories make you fat.
But regardless of carbs? (I prefer to speak of grain products as I am not against carbs)
What do you base your claims on? Can you provide facts? I'd be interested.0 -
Only if you want your head filled with lots of nonsenseExcess calories make you fat regardless of it's carbs, fats or pro.
I agree that excess calories make you fat.
But regardless of carbs? (I prefer to speak of grain products as I am not against carbs)
What do you base your claims on? Can you provide facts? I'd be interested.
What exactly do you want facts on ? If you were to overeat on fat that you would actually get fat?0 -
Nice reasoning.
No I think that the majority of people with weight problems have some intolerance to carbohydrates. I think eating a high carb calorie restricted diet is not very helpful in the long term. I don't care what works for you, I'm talking about people who have weight problems.
There is evidence that does suggest high fat and low fat phenotypes but I don't think all overweight people (or even the majority) have problems with carbohydrates. It does become a trial and error thing but Im not convinced someone who is in a caloric deficit can have fat loss completely halted by the introduction of carbohydrates.
I happen to think its the majority that does have problems with carbs, as opposed to just a small minority. I'm not convinced either that someone on a caloric deficit can have fat loss halted by carbs because that would defy the laws of physics. I just think that eating too many carbs makes it so difficult to prevent overeating because they lead to increased hunger in susceptible individuals (aka. the majority of fat people).0 -
The thing is that the carbs we eat today HAVEN'T been eaten for thousands of years. Refined carbs, like white flour, are new inventions, less than 200 years old, & when it was first created, it was a luxury item.
carbs aren't bad, refined carbs are. There's a difference.0 -
It's all about moderation.
Cultures where people live longer than other humans (Iceland, islands off Greece, Japan) all have carbs.
Carbs do not make you fat, sitting around on your *kitten* doing nothing makes you fat (and eating over maintenance cals).0
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