Omega 3 Supplements no good?

Captain_Tightpants
Captain_Tightpants Posts: 2,215 Member
edited December 2024 in Food and Nutrition
I've always been an advocate of getting nutrients from real food instead of pills. Here's an article from Time magazine this morning:

http://healthland.time.com/2012/04/10/fish-oil-for-heart-attack-prevention-is-it-a-myth/

A new study finds that omega-3 fatty acids don't help patients with heart disease avoid future heart-related problems.
By Alice Park | @aliceparkny | April 10, 2012 |

Fish has long been a staple of healthy eating, since it’s packed with omega-3 fatty acids and antioxidants that can help protect against heart disease and cancer. In fact, experts are so convinced of the benefits of the omega-3s in fish that health officials recently recommended Americans eat more of it — about 8 ounces, or two to three servings, of fish a week — in its latest revision of the Dietary Guidelines for Americans.

But what about fish oil capsules? Doctors have also believed that taking omega-3s as supplements can offer a similar protective benefit to the heart. But a new study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine throws the theory into doubt: according to the analysis of 14 controlled trials in which nearly 20,500 patients with a history of heart disease were randomly assigned to take omega-3 supplements or placebo, those taking the fatty acid pills had about the same rates of heart disease, death from heart attacks, congestive heart failure and stroke as those on placebo.

To date, the studies on omega-3 fatty acids and recurrent heart problems have been contradictory: some have shown that heart patients taking omega-3 supplements had a lower risk of heart attack and heart-related death than those not taking them, but others have shown no such benefit. The difference may have to do with some of the earlier studies were set up, says one of the current study’s co-authors, Seung-Kwon Myung from Seoul National University. In some trials, the participants knew they were taking omega-3 supplements, and they might have hada bias toward seeing a benefit because of this knowledge. (Myung did not include these types of unblinded trials in his analysis.) “I think the beneficial effects of omega-3 supplementation shown in those trials are not reliable,” says Myung.

Still, Myung’s findings don’t necessarily mean that omega-3s — the study looked at the fatty acids EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) — are useless when it comes to preventive health. Indeed, the American Heart Association (AHA) recommends that both heart patients and those who don’t yet have heart disease eat fatty fish at least two times a week, and if they can’t consume that much fish, then to boost their omega-3 intake with supplements. According to the AHA, studies show that omega-3 fatty acids can decrease the risk of abnormal heartbeats, keep triglyceride levels down and inhibit the build up of atherosclerotic plaques in the heart’s blood vessels.

It’s possible, says Myung, that natural sources of omega-3 fatty acids may be more potent than supplements. “I recommend heart patients (as well as healthy people) not to take omega-3 fatty acid supplements because there is no evidence of those beneficial effects against cardiovascular disease,” he says. “However, I recommend at least two servings per week of fish because it has been reported that fish consumption has the preventive effect for cardiovascular disease based on the previous observational studies.”

It’s also possible that Myung and his colleagues failed to see a strong positive effect from omega-3 supplements among people with pre-existing heart disease because these patients may need a higher level of omega-3s to see benefit. The researchers looked at a range of doses of EPA and DHA, but perhaps a scarred, damaged heart that has survived a heart attack or angina is affected differently by omega-3 fatty acids than an intact and healthy heart.

As Harvard researchers Drs. Frank Hu and JoAnn Manson also point out in a commentary accompanying the new study, it’s possible too that drugs like statins may mask the benefit from fish oils because the medications are so much more powerful. That may also explain why older trials have tended to show a fish oil benefit, while newer ones have not.

Either way, there’s no downside to eating more fish, which happens to be a good source of protein that’s far lower in saturated fat than red meat. So while it may not help heart patients avoid another heart event, it probably won’t hurt them either.

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  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
    Interesting study. I agree with you about the desirability of eating real foods, rather than supplements. I believe there are yet to be discovered nutritional elements in whole foods. Isolating out a single element and putting it into pill form isn't the same thing.

    As a non-fish eating vegetarian, this whole DHA question used to worry me a bit. But then I read that non-fish eating vegans seem just fine in converting plant-sourced EPA's into DHA. Here's a report on the study I'm referring to, if you are interested:

    http://www.nutripeople.co.uk/news/conversion-of-dietary-ala-to-epa-and-dha-may-be-increased-in-non-fish-eaters
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Hmm, so a study says that Omega 3's aren't beneficial to people who already have heart disease, and you make the leap to say that they are no good for everybody? Interesting logic. Omega 3's are useful in the prevention of heart disease, not for treatment of heart disease. Those are two very different concepts.
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
    Hmm, so a study says that Omega 3's aren't beneficial to people who already have heart disease, and you make the leap to say that they are no good for everybody? Interesting logic. Omega 3's are useful in the prevention of heart disease, not for treatment of heart disease. Those are two very different concepts.

    Where did anyone say that omega 3's aren't good for anyone? I personally eat plenty of plant sources: flaxseed, chia seed, canola oil and walnuts. I just don't take fish oil or pills containing fish oil.
  • Bentley2718
    Bentley2718 Posts: 1,689 Member
    I agree as phylosophical point that real food sources are probably better, because, as someone else pointed out, we haven't necesserily isolated everything in foods that could be good for you. Perhaps it is something else in fish that is beneficial. That said I see a slight logical problem with the recommendations. Looking at the following quote:
    It’s possible, says Myung, that natural sources of omega-3 fatty acids may be more potent than supplements. “I recommend heart patients (as well as healthy people) not to take omega-3 fatty acid supplements because there is no evidence of those beneficial effects against cardiovascular disease,” he says. “However, I recommend at least two servings per week of fish because it has been reported that fish consumption has the preventive effect for cardiovascular disease based on the previous observational studies.”

    The article makes clear that only blind (hopefully double-blind) studies were included in the meta-analysis. That is, hopefully neither the patients, nor their treating doctors knew who was getting fish oil and who was getting a placebo. The article makes it clear that only blind studies were used (i.e. the patients did not know), but it's unclear whether the studies were all, or even partially double-blind. So, randomized, blind studies (a very powerful research design) show no benefit, so the researchers do not recommend them--fair enough. However, they do recommend eating fish on the basis of observational studies. The logical error is this, an observational study is a much weaker design, in which there is no random assignment (people chose to eat, or not eat fish, based on personal preference, health concerns, or whatever), and patients, and their treating physicians both know who was eating fish and who was not. So there is good evidence that fish oil supplements don't do much for heart patients, but the evidence for eating fish in this case is actually from a relatively weak research design, something the quote fails to fully acknowledge (although it does hint at this difference, by pointing out that the studies were observational). I don't mean to discount observational studies overall, I think they are an important tool, but I do take issue with the overall logic here. Yes, I nitpick research, it's an occupational hazard.
  • Bentley2718
    Bentley2718 Posts: 1,689 Member
    Hmm, so a study says that Omega 3's aren't beneficial to people who already have heart disease, and you make the leap to say that they are no good for everybody? Interesting logic. Omega 3's are useful in the prevention of heart disease, not for treatment of heart disease. Those are two very different concepts.

    Where did anyone say that omega 3's aren't good for anyone? I personally eat plenty of plant sources: flaxseed, chia seed, canola oil and walnuts. I just don't take fish oil or pills containing fish oil.

    The researcher is quoted as saying (s)he doesn't recommend fish oil supplements for either patients, or the general population--a conclusion that cannot be made directly from this study, since this study reportedly only included people with existing diagnosed heart problems.
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
    Hmm, so a study says that Omega 3's aren't beneficial to people who already have heart disease, and you make the leap to say that they are no good for everybody? Interesting logic. Omega 3's are useful in the prevention of heart disease, not for treatment of heart disease. Those are two very different concepts.

    Where did anyone say that omega 3's aren't good for anyone? I personally eat plenty of plant sources: flaxseed, chia seed, canola oil and walnuts. I just don't take fish oil or pills containing fish oil.

    The researcher is quoted as saying (s)he doesn't recommend fish oil supplements for either patients, or the general population--a conclusion that cannot be made directly from this study, since this study reportedly only included people with existing diagnosed heart problems.

    Good point that the researcher is overreaching with his/her recommendation to the general population. But, I think s/he is expressing his/her preference for whole foods, versus supplements.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Whole foods are always preferable to supplements, but at the same time, supplements are always preferable to nothing at all.
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
    Whole foods are always preferable to supplements, but at the same time, supplements are always preferable to nothing at all.

    Except in the case of these study participants, perhaps.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Yeah, but again, they already had heart disease, so it's irrelevant to the healthy population. It's similar to a doctor recommending that the general public should stop eating peanuts because they can be fatal to people with peanut allergies.
  • AeolianHarp
    AeolianHarp Posts: 463 Member
    Here is the obvious one: why didn't they have a group that ate fish?

    Also, fish oil pills and n-3 from fish aren't different. They're both n-3. Hypothetically, if there's benefit to fish over fish oil pills then it might not be the n-3 that's beneficial. So, really, if you take the pill or eat it from the fish is no different. n-3 is n-3 no matter how you slice it.
  • joejccva71
    joejccva71 Posts: 2,985 Member
    Tigersword and I have had our disagreements on many topics, but this time I have to 150% agree with him. This is pretty baseless considering omega 3's are not "magic pills" to cure heart disease. Once someone has it most likely from either smoking, family history, etc then the odds of them magically getting better are almost nil.

    But yet this author of the article put everyone in a general category saying the "general population" should avoid omega 3's.

    Ridiculous.
  • GasMasterFlash
    GasMasterFlash Posts: 2,206 Member
    I Don't Like Fish.
  • _VoV
    _VoV Posts: 1,494 Member
    Tigersword and I have had our disagreements on many topics, but this time I have to 150% agree with him. This is pretty baseless considering omega 3's are not "magic pills" to cure heart disease. Once someone has it most likely from either smoking, family history, etc then the odds of them magically getting better are almost nil.

    But yet this author of the article put everyone in a general category saying the "general population" should avoid omega 3's.

    Ridiculous.

    If time permits, you might want to read the whole article.
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