Good carbs vs.bad carbs?

loislane22
loislane22 Posts: 71
edited December 17 in Food and Nutrition
Hello,

I am over my carbs by 17 points. I havnt eaten anything unhealthy other then coffee with milk & sugar, brown rice and an organic soy pudding. I am thinking of having some strawberries but i just noticed they have carbs as well(had them earlier today).

Is it okay to be over in carbs if they are "good" carbs or should i try to stick with the numbers that mfp gives me? Will eating a bit over the daily carbs cause me not to lose weight? I still have 200 calories left for today.

Thanks in advance and I am sorry for bothering ppl with my questions, still trying to get used to all of this.
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  • u just went over by 17 carbs and if i can remember correctly its like 4 calories per gram of carbs so u didnt go over by alot and it really is a small number especially if u workout and are generally on the move so dont wrry too much about it the number is still pretty small. As for good carbs and bad carbs the only thing i remember on that subject is the good carbs=complex carbs where u stay full longer and it takes longer to digest. And the Bad carbs=simple carbs where they digest really quick and spike ur insulin levels or something along those lines. Hope i helped and keep on the grind friend!
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Hello,

    I am over my carbs by 17 points. I havnt eaten anything unhealthy other then coffee with milk & sugar, brown rice and an organic soy pudding. I am thinking of having some strawberries but i just noticed they have carbs as well(had them earlier today).

    Is it okay to be over in carbs if they are "good" carbs or should i try to stick with the numbers that mfp gives me? Will eating a bit over the daily carbs cause me not to lose weight? I still have 200 calories left for today.

    Thanks in advance and I am sorry for bothering ppl with my questions, still trying to get used to all of this.

    No, maintaining a caloric deficit whilst eating carbs will still cause you to lose weight. Although it'd be a good idea to make sure you aren't sacrificing adequate protein and fat intake for carbs
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    I would eat the Strawberries, and think twice about the sugar in the coffee and the organic soy pudding next time.

    Remember, organic does NOT imply healthy, all it means is that the ingredients were grown/produced without chemicals. They can add all the sugar they want.
  • Elizabeth_C34
    Elizabeth_C34 Posts: 6,376 Member
    Hello,

    I am over my carbs by 17 points. I havnt eaten anything unhealthy other then coffee with milk & sugar, brown rice and an organic soy pudding. I am thinking of having some strawberries but i just noticed they have carbs as well(had them earlier today).

    Is it okay to be over in carbs if they are "good" carbs or should i try to stick with the numbers that mfp gives me? Will eating a bit over the daily carbs cause me not to lose weight? I still have 200 calories left for today.

    Thanks in advance and I am sorry for bothering ppl with my questions, still trying to get used to all of this.

    No, maintaining a caloric deficit whilst eating carbs will still cause you to lose weight. Although it'd be a good idea to make sure you aren't sacrificing adequate protein and fat intake for carbs

    What he said.

    Go enjoy your strawberries!
  • Thank you so much everyone for the replies! Will be trying to stop the coffee with sugar intake but its hard, splenda tastes really bad.

    Thanks again everyone who replied, appreciate it :)
  • I would eat the Strawberries, and think twice about the sugar in the coffee and the organic soy pudding next time.

    Remember, organic does NOT imply healthy, all it means is that the ingredients were grown/produced without chemicals. They can add all the sugar they want.

    Thank you for the reply, I do realize that organic does not mean healthy, but I allow myself to indulge in a pudding every few days. Giving up chocolate has been very difficult. :)
  • I would totally not stress about going over by 17. 100? Sure... 17? Noooo.... bigger things to worry about in life. Eat your strawberries, silly. Every # along the bottom of your diary cannot be perfect every time AND... Most Importantly, it doesn't need to be. I consider them more as guidelines.. Hee.

    :tongue:
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Really, the whole "good carbs vs bad carbs" thing is over rated. The type of carb is really irrelevant, as long as you get your proper levels of nutrition (enough protein, fat, fiber, vitamins, and minerals,) the types of carbs you eat don't matter.

    Unless you're diabetic, then it can matter, but, otherwise, it's irrelevant.
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    Hello,

    I am over my carbs by 17 points. I havnt eaten anything unhealthy other then coffee with milk & sugar, brown rice and an organic soy pudding. I am thinking of having some strawberries but i just noticed they have carbs as well(had them earlier today).

    Is it okay to be over in carbs if they are "good" carbs or should i try to stick with the numbers that mfp gives me? Will eating a bit over the daily carbs cause me not to lose weight? I still have 200 calories left for today.

    Thanks in advance and I am sorry for bothering ppl with my questions, still trying to get used to all of this.

    The bad carbs are the ones that push you over your targets
  • Hello

    The 'good' carbohydrate sources will be whole intact grains ( brown rice, wheat-berries, oats) and starchy vegetables like potatoes sweet and white, also squashes.

    Processed carbs are higher in caloric density and are easier to over-consume.... The wholefood carbs are higher in water content and lower in caloric density, with the starchy veg and Oatmeal being the lowest of all.

    Many people make the huge mistake of thinking fruits are the best carbohydrate sources.. However, they're not..

    Fructose is metabolised by the liver like fat and is easily stored as body fat ( through a process known as De Nova Lipogenesis ) ... grains and starchy vegetables are digested into glucose, which is extremely difficult to store as body fat.

    Hope I helped!
  • I would also recommend you drop the liquid calories.. like milk and the sugar ( which doesn't promote satiety )

    Your diet should be mostly carbohydrate, all grains and starchy vegetables are 10%-20% protein.. this is enough.

    Think of this as a life long change... Something you can keep up for the rest of your life.... The key is to keep it simply so you don't get overwhelmed.
  • Wow, thanks again everyone for the replies. I think I maybe get it now, still a huge learning curve for me. I have lost 11 pounds since January, 8 more to go, as for giving up coffee, I dont think I can, I went from 6 cups a day to 2-3 cups.

    I just wanted to make sure that having a small fruit snack late at night was not a huge deal.
  • Coffee without sugar doesn't taste as good the first week or so but your bud tastes will get used to it in no time. It took me 2 weeks and know I don't even think about it. You can do it!
  • Coffee without sugar doesn't taste as good the first week or so but your bud tastes will get used to it in no time. It took me 2 weeks and know I don't even think about it. You can do it!

    AHHHH just the thought of it scares me. Maybe I will give it a try. Thanks :)
  • athensguy
    athensguy Posts: 550
    I would eat the Strawberries, and think twice about the sugar in the coffee and the organic soy pudding next time.

    Remember, organic does NOT imply healthy, all it means is that the ingredients were grown/produced without chemicals. They can add all the sugar they want.

    Food is made of chemicals.

    From the research I've seen, the bad carb is fructose. The primary sources of that are fruit, high fructose corn syrup (usually 55% fructose), and sucrose (after one processing step, 50% fructose).
  • If you need to sweeten something, doesn't that tell you that perhaps it's something you shouldn't be drinking the first place?

    Plain coffee is digusting on its own, which illustrates how unhealthy it actually is.

    The sugar ( carbohydrate ) makes it taste nice, this shows how Humans are naturally suited to the consumption of high amounts of carbohydrates..

    All you need to do is eat wholefood forms of carbohydrates, like I said previously.. Some fruit is O.K, but it is a simple carbohydrate and won't offer much satiety - complex carbs should be the focus, they offer the most satiety and protein.

    However, fruits are still beneficial in terms in nutrients etc.. vegetables also contain them, but are often less palatable, and alot of their Vitamin C is destroyed via cooking at high heats.

    Protein and fat dominate foods ( meat, avocados, nuts ) should NEVER comprise the bulk of your diet, this is why you will get cravings etc...If you allow your diet to be high in carbs, your cravings for carbs will be nonexistent... you see? lol
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    If you need to sweeten something, doesn't that tell you that perhaps it's something you shouldn't be drinking the first place?

    Plain coffee is digusting on its own, which illustrates how unhealthy it actually is.

    The sugar ( carbohydrate ) makes it taste nice, this shows how Humans are naturally suited to the consumption of high amounts of carbohydrates..

    All you need to do is eat wholefood forms of carbohydrates, like I said previously.. Some fruit is O.K, but it is a simple carbohydrate and won't offer much satiety - complex carbs should be the focus, they offer the most satiety and protein.

    However, fruits are still beneficial in terms in nutrients etc.. vegetables also contain them, but are often less palatable, and alot of their Vitamin C is destroyed via cooking at high heats.

    Protein and fat dominate foods ( meat, avocados, nuts ) should NEVER comprise the bulk of your diet, this is why you will get cravings etc...If you allow your diet to be high in carbs, your cravings for carbs will be nonexistent... you see? lol

    Why is coffee unhealthy?
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    I would eat the Strawberries, and think twice about the sugar in the coffee and the organic soy pudding next time.

    Remember, organic does NOT imply healthy, all it means is that the ingredients were grown/produced without chemicals. They can add all the sugar they want.

    Food is made of chemicals.

    From the research I've seen, the bad carb is fructose. The primary sources of that are fruit, high fructose corn syrup (usually 55% fructose), and sucrose (after one processing step, 50% fructose).

    Obviously food is made of chemicals. So is air and your body and literally everything else in the universe. Thanks for the sarcastic and thoroughly unproductive comment. If you like, I could be more specific about what is allowed for organic food production, but it's really not relevant to this conversation. My point is that organic is not a health claim, which the OP acknowledged.
  • Thank you again everyone.

    I will not give up my coffee or my soy pudding. I understand this is a lifestyle change and all of that, but I think the process should be enjoyed.

    I think you should be allowed to eat the foods that make you happy,in moderation. Instead of eating a box of chocolate chip cookies I went for a pudding instead, is this so bad?

    Coffee isnt bad for you, its what you put in it that makes it bad. I know the things i put in it are bad and I am okay with that. I have cut out fast food, juices, pizza and chocolate, I think i should be able to keep something that makes me happy.

    :)
  • I would eat the Strawberries, and think twice about the sugar in the coffee and the organic soy pudding next time.

    Remember, organic does NOT imply healthy, all it means is that the ingredients were grown/produced without chemicals. They can add all the sugar they want.

    Food is made of chemicals.

    From the research I've seen, the bad carb is fructose. The primary sources of that are fruit, high fructose corn syrup (usually 55% fructose), and sucrose (after one processing step, 50% fructose).

    Obviously food is made of chemicals. So is air and your body and literally everything else in the universe. Thanks for the sarcastic and thoroughly unproductive comment. If you like, I could be more specific about what is allowed for organic food production, but it's really not relevant to this conversation. My point is that organic is not a health claim, which the OP acknowledged.

    ^^^^

    I completely agree with you, well said.
  • AlyRoseNYC
    AlyRoseNYC Posts: 1,075 Member
    If you need to sweeten something, doesn't that tell you that perhaps it's something you shouldn't be drinking the first place?

    Plain coffee is digusting on its own, which illustrates how unhealthy it actually is.

    The sugar ( carbohydrate ) makes it taste nice, this shows how Humans are naturally suited to the consumption of high amounts of carbohydrates..

    All you need to do is eat wholefood forms of carbohydrates, like I said previously.. Some fruit is O.K, but it is a simple carbohydrate and won't offer much satiety - complex carbs should be the focus, they offer the most satiety and protein.

    However, fruits are still beneficial in terms in nutrients etc.. vegetables also contain them, but are often less palatable, and alot of their Vitamin C is destroyed via cooking at high heats.

    Protein and fat dominate foods ( meat, avocados, nuts ) should NEVER comprise the bulk of your diet, this is why you will get cravings etc...If you allow your diet to be high in carbs, your cravings for carbs will be nonexistent... you see? lol

    Did you just speak badly of my BFF, coffee??? *puts on fighting gloves* =)
  • sunnyday789
    sunnyday789 Posts: 309 Member
    If you need to sweeten something, doesn't that tell you that perhaps it's something you shouldn't be drinking the first place?

    Plain coffee is digusting on its own, which illustrates how unhealthy it actually is.

    The sugar ( carbohydrate ) makes it taste nice, this shows how Humans are naturally suited to the consumption of high amounts of carbohydrates..

    All you need to do is eat wholefood forms of carbohydrates, like I said previously.. Some fruit is O.K, but it is a simple carbohydrate and won't offer much satiety - complex carbs should be the focus, they offer the most satiety and protein.

    However, fruits are still beneficial in terms in nutrients etc.. vegetables also contain them, but are often less palatable, and alot of their Vitamin C is destroyed via cooking at high heats.

    Protein and fat dominate foods ( meat, avocados, nuts ) should NEVER comprise the bulk of your diet, this is why you will get cravings etc...If you allow your diet to be high in carbs, your cravings for carbs will be nonexistent... you see? lol


    Coffee is not unhealthy; lots of data to suport that is in fact very healthy and can prevent diseases.
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    Fruits and veggies also have different nutritional profiles from one another too, fruits tend to be higher in vitamins and veggies tend to be higher in minerals (if you define fruits as anything we eat that is the ovary of the plant and veggies as the roots, stalks or any part other that the ovary - that is a whole different discussion since some people define veggies as main course and fruits as dessert...). Anyway, both fruits and vegetables, and a colorful variety of each, are necessary for a well balanced diet. And they're delicious. Eat them liberally and without guilt.
  • tinlee
    tinlee Posts: 60 Member
    Try upgrading your coffee. Better quality coffee tastes good without sugar. I love getting the Americano at Starbucks and it's good black.
  • grinch031
    grinch031 Posts: 1,679
    If you need to sweeten something, doesn't that tell you that perhaps it's something you shouldn't be drinking the first place?

    Plain coffee is digusting on its own, which illustrates how unhealthy it actually is
    .

    The sugar ( carbohydrate ) makes it taste nice, this shows how Humans are naturally suited to the consumption of high amounts of carbohydrates..

    All you need to do is eat wholefood forms of carbohydrates, like I said previously.. Some fruit is O.K, but it is a simple carbohydrate and won't offer much satiety - complex carbs should be the focus, they offer the most satiety and protein.

    However, fruits are still beneficial in terms in nutrients etc.. vegetables also contain them, but are often less palatable, and alot of their Vitamin C is destroyed via cooking at high heats.

    Protein and fat dominate foods ( meat, avocados, nuts ) should NEVER comprise the bulk of your diet, this is why you will get cravings etc...If you allow your diet to be high in carbs, your cravings for carbs will be nonexistent... you see? lol

    So the better something tastes, the healthier it is? What about leafy vegetables? They don't taste very good but I've been told they are healthy. Doesn't that contradict your reasoning for coffee being unhealthy?

    And you are saying that protein and fat intake lead to cravings and high carb intake alleviates cravings? What about all the studies showing that protein is a more satiating food than both fat and carbs? Not only that but what about all the people who spontaneously lower calorie intake by eating low carb, moderate protein, high fat diets?
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    If you need to sweeten something, doesn't that tell you that perhaps it's something you shouldn't be drinking the first place?

    Plain coffee is digusting on its own, which illustrates how unhealthy it actually is
    .

    The sugar ( carbohydrate ) makes it taste nice, this shows how Humans are naturally suited to the consumption of high amounts of carbohydrates..

    All you need to do is eat wholefood forms of carbohydrates, like I said previously.. Some fruit is O.K, but it is a simple carbohydrate and won't offer much satiety - complex carbs should be the focus, they offer the most satiety and protein.

    However, fruits are still beneficial in terms in nutrients etc.. vegetables also contain them, but are often less palatable, and alot of their Vitamin C is destroyed via cooking at high heats.

    Protein and fat dominate foods ( meat, avocados, nuts ) should NEVER comprise the bulk of your diet, this is why you will get cravings etc...If you allow your diet to be high in carbs, your cravings for carbs will be nonexistent... you see? lol

    So the better something tastes, the healthier it is? What about leafy vegetables? They don't taste very good but I've been told they are healthy. Doesn't that contradict your reasoning for coffee being unhealthy?

    And you are saying that protein and fat intake lead to cravings and high carb intake alleviates cravings? What about all the studies showing that protein is a more satiating food than both fat and carbs? Not only that but what about all the people who spontaneously lower calorie intake by eating low carb, moderate protein, high fat diets?
    Satiety means feeling full, it has nothing to do with cravings. Also, just as many people lower their calories while not cutting carbs, different people respond to different diets. Personally I gained weight because I overate fat, not carbs or protein. I lose weight eating a moderate mix of carbs, protein, and fat, just being mindful of overall calories.
  • Matt_Wild
    Matt_Wild Posts: 2,673 Member
    Humans like SWEET tasting foods because back in the day they WERE NOT available in large amounts so its evolution making us feast on them because of the fact they were so scarce not because the body is suited to them. Absolute hogwash. Advances in farming etc allow us massive amounts of carbs that were once scarce - 2,000,0000 years of evolution isn't over turned by a few 000 that farming has been around hence we still feast on them given the chance. Talk about getting it the wrong way around.

    In terms of weight loss, complex and simple carbs to the AVERAGE dieter won't make a huge difference but when considering dieting to cut fat quickly and efficiently, the varying levels of insulin released by consuming simple carbs and thus turning fat burning off for a more significant time than complex carbs is an issue. You cannot say they are the same as a blanket statement, they are not.
  • athensguy
    athensguy Posts: 550
    I would eat the Strawberries, and think twice about the sugar in the coffee and the organic soy pudding next time.

    Remember, organic does NOT imply healthy, all it means is that the ingredients were grown/produced without chemicals. They can add all the sugar they want.

    Food is made of chemicals.

    From the research I've seen, the bad carb is fructose. The primary sources of that are fruit, high fructose corn syrup (usually 55% fructose), and sucrose (after one processing step, 50% fructose).

    Obviously food is made of chemicals. So is air and your body and literally everything else in the universe. Thanks for the sarcastic and thoroughly unproductive comment. If you like, I could be more specific about what is allowed for organic food production, but it's really not relevant to this conversation. My point is that organic is not a health claim, which the OP acknowledged.

    Just pointing out that your assertion about the lack of chemicals in "organic" food production was 100% incorrect (part 1) and that a lot of recent research has been pointing fingers at fructose (part 2). You can think that's sarcastic or unproductive if you want, but at least they were truthful statements.
  • Thank you again everyone.

    I will not give up my coffee or my soy pudding. I understand this is a lifestyle change and all of that, but I think the process should be enjoyed.

    I think you should be allowed to eat the foods that make you happy,in moderation. Instead of eating a box of chocolate chip cookies I went for a pudding instead, is this so bad?

    Coffee isnt bad for you, its what you put in it that makes it bad. I know the things i put in it are bad and I am okay with that. I have cut out fast food, juices, pizza and chocolate, I think i should be able to keep something that makes me happy.

    :)

    I agree. The lifestyle change is according to your lifestyle that you are changing. No one else. Definitely eat things you like and in moderation. You seem to have made alternative changes that works for you. Keep striving, you will reach your destination with no hurry or unhappy journey. I wish you much success!!
  • mbrou28
    mbrou28 Posts: 132 Member
    If you need to sweeten something, doesn't that tell you that perhaps it's something you shouldn't be drinking the first place?

    Plain coffee is digusting on its own, which illustrates how unhealthy it actually is.

    The sugar ( carbohydrate ) makes it taste nice, this shows how Humans are naturally suited to the consumption of high amounts of carbohydrates..

    All you need to do is eat wholefood forms of carbohydrates, like I said previously.. Some fruit is O.K, but it is a simple carbohydrate and won't offer much satiety - complex carbs should be the focus, they offer the most satiety and protein.

    However, fruits are still beneficial in terms in nutrients etc.. vegetables also contain them, but are often less palatable, and alot of their Vitamin C is destroyed via cooking at high heats.

    Protein and fat dominate foods ( meat, avocados, nuts ) should NEVER comprise the bulk of your diet, this is why you will get cravings etc...If you allow your diet to be high in carbs, your cravings for carbs will be nonexistent... you see? lol

    Why is coffee unhealthy?

    Yes, why is coffee unhealthy?

    Saying "If you need to sweeten something, doesn't that tell you that perhaps it's something you shouldn't be drinking the first place?" Is like saying you shouldn't season meat with herbs and spices because it should taste good on it's own or that you shouldn't add fruit to oatmeal. Personally I need some sweetness in my oatmeal and something to season my meat or fish. And I love coffee but ONLY with sweetener and a bit of milk or lowfat cream..
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