Snacking or 3 big meals a day?!
Maldivesbeachbodplease
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Hi all,
So i currently eat 5 or 6 meals time a day - 3 meals and 2 or 3 snacks.
I cut out carbs at dinner and normally have meat/fish with loads of veg/salad.
I eat this regularly because i have long days and it is meant to keep your metabolism fired up.
However, my problem with this is that i am constantly thinking about food. constantly thinking about when my next snack is and having smaller meals to accomodate the snacking.
So i just wondered - would it be best & does anyone here literally eat 3 big & filling meals a day instead? my calorie limit (on days i dont exercise) is 1220 so if i divided that by 3 i could have 3 meals of 400 calories and feel more satisfied after each meal.
Any thoughts/advice/suggestions?
I have another 18 pounds left to lose so i just want to do it in the best way possible thanks in advance xxx
So i currently eat 5 or 6 meals time a day - 3 meals and 2 or 3 snacks.
I cut out carbs at dinner and normally have meat/fish with loads of veg/salad.
I eat this regularly because i have long days and it is meant to keep your metabolism fired up.
However, my problem with this is that i am constantly thinking about food. constantly thinking about when my next snack is and having smaller meals to accomodate the snacking.
So i just wondered - would it be best & does anyone here literally eat 3 big & filling meals a day instead? my calorie limit (on days i dont exercise) is 1220 so if i divided that by 3 i could have 3 meals of 400 calories and feel more satisfied after each meal.
Any thoughts/advice/suggestions?
I have another 18 pounds left to lose so i just want to do it in the best way possible thanks in advance xxx
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Yikes!
Meal frequency has no effect on weight loss or metabolism but eating right does.
You are constantly thinking about food because you arent eating enough and ghrelin is elevated in your system.
This is your body telling you to eat.
This is me telling you to eat sensibly!
=D
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/538381-in-place-of-a-road-map
PM me if you have any questions.0 -
I disagree I think keeping your meals spread out is better for your body and will support a more stable blood glucose level, improve function and metabolic efficiency and of course support better body composition0
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I have to agree with Helloitsdan. There is a lot of evidence to say that eating many smaller meals has such a small impact that it is nearly meaningless.
I personally plan on 3 meals per day and only eat snacks if i feel hungry, maybe an apple or a small handful of almonds. I do tend to eat smaller meals for lunch and breakfast and a bigger dinner. Evenings used to be my worst time for uncontrolled eating so it works best for me to have a larger, more filling meal at that time and take the nibbles out of the equation.
But essentially, you need to do what works for you and if you feel like 5 or 6 meals per day is too many, then cut back to the right number for you.0 -
If you are eating below 1500 calories I think I'd rather have 3 meals and eat them after like....2pm.... At least benefit from Intermittent Fasting a little bit.
IMO you wont eat enough at 1200 because its not enough to sustain a healthy fat burning relationship on a metabolic level....
Unless you are Obese II or III and only for about 2 weeks before you have to come up for air.0 -
everyone refers to the "evidence" thats supports their own desires, you can look up and find research supporting any mentality you have, you can look up "research" that suggests the earth is still flat that doesnt make it true, look to the people who have had the best results, me and every athlete I work with supports the idea of nutrient timing and meal strategy. look beyond just losing fat
just because something makes you lose weight doesnt mean its good for you from an athletic stand-point, for example you can drop a few pounds by cutting sodium out of your diet and running a lot then you would lose a bunch of water weight, but does that mean its healthy...no0 -
Thanks all.
My BMR is 1462 calories.
My TDEE is 1661 (on days i don't exercise)
therefore 20% off that is 1329 calories.
Should I up to that? I don't like to eat my exercise calories unless i HAVE to (e.g. time of month!). But i tend to eat more at the weekend so the extra calories i earn from exercise tend to get used a bit then. xxx0 -
To me 400 cals is so pathetic that i have three meals a day, with one vegetable meal being the fourth meal. If I didn't do this I think I would die.
Trying to have six meals with only 200 cals in them would do me in. you can't even have an egg on toast for that, let alone another piece of toast with jam.
JMHO of course, but three small meals a day rather than six microscopic snacks a day.0 -
Thanks all.
My BMR is 1462 calories.
My TDEE is 1661 (on days i don't exercise)
therefore 20% off that is 1329 calories.
Should I up to that? I don't like to eat my exercise calories unless i HAVE to (e.g. time of month!). But i tend to eat more at the weekend so the extra calories i earn from exercise tend to get used a bit then. xxx
How often do you work out?0 -
everyone refers to the "evidence" thats supports their own desires, you can look up and find research supporting any mentality you have, you can look up "research" that suggests the earth is still flat that doesnt make it true, look to the people who have had the best results, me and every athlete I work with supports the idea of nutrient timing and meal strategy. look beyond just losing fat
just because something makes you lose weight doesnt mean its good for you from an athletic stand-point, for example you can drop a few pounds by cutting sodium out of your diet and running a lot then you would lose a bunch of water weight, but does that mean its healthy...no
What are we debating?
She doesnt eat enough to lose weight or support any type of training.
Unless of course shes obese II or III.
Obese II or III people have enough ATP in their system to generate energy for activity but only for short periods of time.
Afterwards they plateau.0 -
I disagree I think keeping your meals spread out is better for your body and will support a more stable blood glucose level, improve function and metabolic efficiency and of course support better body composition
Well, I have to disagree that 3 meals is better for everyone. I personally find that I feel better and can keep my blood sugar stable if I eat smaller meals, more often. By doing so, I don't allow my blood sugar to drop into the zone where I am feeling light headed, sick to my stomach or like consuming an entire cake alone. I don't care if eating small meals benefit my metabolism or not, I like how I feel when I eat more often and since I find it works for ME - I'll do it.
People need to remember that what works for you, your body, your schedule or your life in general may or may not work the same for other people. Do what works for YOU, but don't tell others that what works for them is wrong.0 -
Thanks all.
My BMR is 1462 calories.
My TDEE is 1661 (on days i don't exercise)
therefore 20% off that is 1329 calories.
Should I up to that? I don't like to eat my exercise calories unless i HAVE to (e.g. time of month!). But i tend to eat more at the weekend so the extra calories i earn from exercise tend to get used a bit then. xxx
How often do you work out?
It varies. I have only just started using our cross trainer. But when i do do the cross trainer i burn about 400 calories in 50 mins...but i normally do 60 mins so i burn off 500....0 -
Thanks all.
My BMR is 1462 calories.
My TDEE is 1661 (on days i don't exercise)
therefore 20% off that is 1329 calories.
Should I up to that? I don't like to eat my exercise calories unless i HAVE to (e.g. time of month!). But i tend to eat more at the weekend so the extra calories i earn from exercise tend to get used a bit then. xxx
How often do you work out?
It varies. I have only just started using our cross trainer. But when i do do the cross trainer i burn about 400 calories in 50 mins...but i normally do 60 mins so i burn off 500....
How often do you work out?
Daily?
Twice a week?
Once a week?0 -
Thanks all.
My BMR is 1462 calories.
My TDEE is 1661 (on days i don't exercise)
therefore 20% off that is 1329 calories.
Should I up to that? I don't like to eat my exercise calories unless i HAVE to (e.g. time of month!). But i tend to eat more at the weekend so the extra calories i earn from exercise tend to get used a bit then. xxx
How often do you work out?
It varies. I have only just started using our cross trainer. But when i do do the cross trainer i burn about 400 calories in 50 mins...but i normally do 60 mins so i burn off 500....
How often do you work out?
Daily?
Twice a week?
Once a week?
it used to be zero (work very long hours) but lately i've just been squeezing in a workout as much as i can - so anything from 3 times to 6 times a week!0 -
everyone refers to the "evidence" thats supports their own desires, you can look up and find research supporting any mentality you have, you can look up "research" that suggests the earth is still flat that doesnt make it true, look to the people who have had the best results, me and every athlete I work with supports the idea of nutrient timing and meal strategy. look beyond just losing fat
just because something makes you lose weight doesnt mean its good for you from an athletic stand-point, for example you can drop a few pounds by cutting sodium out of your diet and running a lot then you would lose a bunch of water weight, but does that mean its healthy...no
Is there any particular website I could go on to learn about nutrient timing and meal strategy?0 -
Just some leisurely reading:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17413096
BACKGROUND:
Although consumption of 3 meals/d is the most common pattern of eating in industrialized countries, a scientific rationale for this meal frequency with respect to optimal health is lacking. A diet with less meal frequency can improve the health and extend the lifespan of laboratory animals, but its effect on humans has never been tested
RESULTS:
Subjects who completed the study maintained their body weight within 2 kg of their initial weight throughout the 6-mo period. There were no significant effects of meal frequency on heart rate, body temperature, or most of the blood variables measured. However, when consuming 1 meal/d, subjects had a significant increase in hunger; a significant modification of body composition, including reductions in fat mass; significant increases in blood pressure and in total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations; and a significant decrease in concentrations of cortisol.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985
Increased meal frequency does not promote greater weight loss in subjects who were prescribed an 8-week equi-energetic energy-restricted diet.
"We conclude that increasing MF does not promote greater body weight loss under the conditions described in the present study."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11319656
CONCLUSIONS:
In the short term, meal frequency and a period of fasting have no major impact on energy intake or expenditure
And another detailed and referenced post here:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/529002-a-compliation-on-meal-frequency
CLIFFS:
Meal frequency should be tailored to personal preference and gym performance. There is no increase in diet induced thermogenesis (DIT/TEF) from increased meal frequency.0 -
I eat small things throughout the day. No particular reason, but I do know that it will prevent your blood sugar from getting too low/spiking.0
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Regarding blood glucose levels, you can see good info on it here:
http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html
Pasting below however if you actually go to the site he's referenced the post with various links to support.
From leangains.com:
3. Myth: Eat small meals to keep blood sugar levels under control.
Truth
According to legions of diet and health "experts," eating small meals every so often will help you avoid hunger pangs, provide you with stable energy throughout the day and keep you mentally sharp. Contrary to what many people seem to believe, blood sugar is extremely well-regulated and maintained within a tight range in healthy people. It does not swing wildly up and down like a chimpanzee on meth and it doesn't plummet from going a few hours without food. Or even a full day without food. Or a week without food for that matter.
People seem to believe they will suffer severe hunger and mental impairment from not eating every so often. Consider for a second the evolutionary consequences for survival if this was true. Given that regular periods of fasting, even famine, was a natural part of our past, do you think we'd be here today if we were unable to function when obtaining food was most critical? I have seen healthy young males, bodybuilders nonetheless, complain of lethargy and mental haze if they didn't get to eat for a few hours. It's completely absurd. But I digress...
Maintaining blood sugar is of very high priority and we have developed efficient pathways that will make it happen even under extreme conditions. If you were to fast for 23 hrs and then go for a 90 min run at 70-75% VO2max, your blood sugar after the run would be identical to the same run performed in the fed state. It would take no less than three days or 84 hours of fasting to reach blood sugar levels low enough to affect your mental state; and this is temporary, as your brain adapts to the use of ketones. During 48 hours of fasting, or severe calorie deprivation, blood sugar is maintained within a normal range no measure of cognitive performance is negatively affected.
For more on blood sugar, read my review of Eat Stop Eat Expanded Edition, which includes a relevant excerpt. Also, keep in mind that the above cited studies are all performed under conditions that are much more extreme than the fasting protocol I, or Brad Pilon, recommends.
What about blood sugar and hunger? Blood sugar is one of many short-term feedback mechanisms used to regulate hunger and the notion which exists to say that low blood sugar may cause hunger is correct. Low just means lower range. This is subject to numerous confounders, such as your habitual diet, energy intake and genetics. Most importantly perhaps, it's subject to entrained meal patterns, regulated by ghrelin and other metabolic hormones. In essence, this means that blood sugar follows the meal pattern you are used to. This is relevant for those who fear blood sugar issues and hunger from regular periods of fasting, as it serves to explain why people can easily adapt to regular periods of fasting without negative effects.0 -
I disagree I think keeping your meals spread out is better for your body and will support a more stable blood glucose level, improve function and metabolic efficiency and of course support better body composition
Well, I have to disagree that 3 meals is better for everyone. I personally find that I feel better and can keep my blood sugar stable if I eat smaller meals, more often. By doing so, I don't allow my blood sugar to drop into the zone where I am feeling light headed, sick to my stomach or like consuming an entire cake alone. I don't care if eating small meals benefit my metabolism or not, I like how I feel when I eat more often and since I find it works for ME - I'll do it.
People need to remember that what works for you, your body, your schedule or your life in general may or may not work the same for other people. Do what works for YOU, but don't tell others that what works for them is wrong.
I second this, well said0
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