"real" men and "real" women

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  • _hi_hat3r_
    _hi_hat3r_ Posts: 423 Member
    If you are transgender, have had a mastectomy, are naturally slim, naturally curvy, gay, straight, tall, short, large framed, small framed, black, white, asian etc etc and you are a woman, then CONGRATULATIONS! You are a real woman!

    Sorry but I don't consider gay or transgender as a real woman. I don't discriminate them but to consider them "real women" wherein they were born with a penis without a uterus is a way off.

    How the heck are gay women not real women somehow?

    As far as trans women, there is no such thing as "biologically male" or "biologically female". Having a penis does not automatically make a person a man.
    Biological sex is a combination of genotype and phenotype.
    Phenotype is way more important in social interactions than genotype. Most people never find out what their genotype is.
    With today's technology, phenotype can be changed.
    Primary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Secondary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Endocrine levels? Can be changed.

    Also, if your gender identity revolves solely around your genitals, I feel sorry for you.

    I take great pride in my genitals. I should post a pic of them.

    You should. After all, without proof of your genitals, how are we to know if you're a REAL man or not?


    lol
  • Marks281172
    Marks281172 Posts: 127 Member


    Also, if your gender identity revolves solely around your genitals, I feel sorry for you.

    hey we cant help it! , it not only identifies us it controls us.. its evil i tells ya! :)
  • tialeanne
    tialeanne Posts: 186 Member
    If you are transgender, have had a mastectomy, are naturally slim, naturally curvy, gay, straight, tall, short, large framed, small framed, black, white, asian etc etc and you are a woman, then CONGRATULATIONS! You are a real woman!

    Sorry but I don't consider gay or transgender as a real woman. I don't discriminate them but to consider them "real women" wherein they were born with a penis without a uterus is a way off.

    How the heck are gay women not real women somehow?

    As far as trans women, there is no such thing as "biologically male" or "biologically female". Having a penis does not automatically make a person a man.
    Biological sex is a combination of genotype and phenotype.
    Phenotype is way more important in social interactions than genotype. Most people never find out what their genotype is.
    With today's technology, phenotype can be changed.
    Primary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Secondary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Endocrine levels? Can be changed.

    Also, if your gender identity revolves solely around your genitals, I feel sorry for you.

    I take great pride in my genitals. I should post a pic of them.

    Hopefully not after they've been sniped.
  • _hi_hat3r_
    _hi_hat3r_ Posts: 423 Member


    Also, if your gender identity revolves solely around your genitals, I feel sorry for you.

    hey we cant help it! , it not only identifies us it controls us.. its evil i tells ya! :)

    Real men have control
  • roachhaley
    roachhaley Posts: 978 Member
    please dont turn this into a gender debate, i had enough of that yesterday
  • _hi_hat3r_
    _hi_hat3r_ Posts: 423 Member
    please dont turn this into a gender debate, i had enough of that yesterday

    So sorry...***moves to the next thread***
  • NikkieLite
    NikkieLite Posts: 126 Member
    Very well said. :)
  • madamepsychosis
    madamepsychosis Posts: 472 Member
    If you are transgender, have had a mastectomy, are naturally slim, naturally curvy, gay, straight, tall, short, large framed, small framed, black, white, asian etc etc and you are a woman, then CONGRATULATIONS! You are a real woman!

    Sorry but I don't consider gay or transgender as a real woman. I don't discriminate them but to consider them "real women" wherein they were born with a penis without a uterus is a way off.

    How the heck are gay women not real women somehow?

    As far as trans women, there is no such thing as "biologically male" or "biologically female". Having a penis does not automatically make a person a man.
    Biological sex is a combination of genotype and phenotype.
    Phenotype is way more important in social interactions than genotype. Most people never find out what their genotype is.
    With today's technology, phenotype can be changed.
    Primary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Secondary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Endocrine levels? Can be changed.

    Also, if your gender identity revolves solely around your genitals, I feel sorry for you.

    I think I might love you.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    I'm not real either according to 99% of MFP users, I'm a twig. :laugh:

    HA, yes! me too!!
  • fraser112
    fraser112 Posts: 405
    If you are transgender, have had a mastectomy, are naturally slim, naturally curvy, gay, straight, tall, short, large framed, small framed, black, white, asian etc etc and you are a woman, then CONGRATULATIONS! You are a real woman!

    Sorry but I don't consider gay or transgender as a real woman. I don't discriminate them but to consider them "real women" wherein they were born with a penis without a uterus is a way off.

    How the heck are gay women not real women somehow?

    As far as trans women, there is no such thing as "biologically male" or "biologically female". Having a penis does not automatically make a person a man.
    Biological sex is a combination of genotype and phenotype.
    Phenotype is way more important in social interactions than genotype. Most people never find out what their genotype is.
    With today's technology, phenotype can be changed.
    Primary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Secondary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Endocrine levels? Can be changed.

    Also, if your gender identity revolves solely around your genitals, I feel sorry for you.

    I think I might love you.

    I had this argugment with a skinhead looking guy i worked with.
    He could not grasp gender and sexuality as two seprate things, If you identify as a female inside how can you be gay it just makes no sense.

    Also some of the best curves ive seen on a woman turned out to be a man, infact its one the funnest games to play with a homophob
  • fatgirlslimagain
    fatgirlslimagain Posts: 51 Member
    great comment

    I guess what people are trying to say is that having curves makes you as real a woman as anyone else but you are right - why label.
  • Umeboshi
    Umeboshi Posts: 1,637 Member
    I had this argugment with a skinhead looking guy i worked with.
    He could not grasp gender and sexuality as two seprate things, If you identify as a female inside how can you be gay it just makes no sense.

    Also some of the best curves ive seen on a woman turned out to be a man, infact its one the funnest games to play with a homophob

    :laugh: You should try explaining the existence of trans women who are lesbians to him. That'll throw him for a loop.
  • madamepsychosis
    madamepsychosis Posts: 472 Member
    If you are transgender, have had a mastectomy, are naturally slim, naturally curvy, gay, straight, tall, short, large framed, small framed, black, white, asian etc etc and you are a woman, then CONGRATULATIONS! You are a real woman!

    Sorry but I don't consider gay or transgender as a real woman. I don't discriminate them but to consider them "real women" wherein they were born with a penis without a uterus is a way off.

    How the heck are gay women not real women somehow?

    As far as trans women, there is no such thing as "biologically male" or "biologically female". Having a penis does not automatically make a person a man.
    Biological sex is a combination of genotype and phenotype.
    Phenotype is way more important in social interactions than genotype. Most people never find out what their genotype is.
    With today's technology, phenotype can be changed.
    Primary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Secondary sexual characteristics? Can be changed.
    Endocrine levels? Can be changed.

    Also, if your gender identity revolves solely around your genitals, I feel sorry for you.

    I think I might love you.

    I had this argugment with a skinhead looking guy i worked with.
    He could not grasp gender and sexuality as two seprate things, If you identify as a female inside how can you be gay it just makes no sense.

    Also some of the best curves ive seen on a woman turned out to be a man, infact its one the funnest games to play with a homophob

    Oh yeah, that's a great game haha.

    Also, to the woman above who made the ignorant comment about not being a 'real' woman unless you have a uterus (I'm pretty sure lots of gay women have uterus's, as a side note), my stepmum had a hysterectomy, an operation to have her uterus removed. Is she therefore not a real woman? What about female victims of genital mutilation who may not be able to have sex, or may have been rendered infertile by the process?
  • clioandboy
    clioandboy Posts: 963 Member
    If you are transgender, have had a mastectomy, are naturally slim, naturally curvy, gay, straight, tall, short, large framed, small framed, black, white, asian etc etc and you are a woman, then CONGRATULATIONS! You are a real woman!

    Sorry but I don't consider gay or transgender as a real woman. I don't discriminate them but to consider them "real women" wherein they were born with a penis without a uterus is a way off.

    Hi are you saying that lesbians arent real women? Surely not..... the use of the word 'them' implies that there is an 'us', I'm not sure about that either,

    edit as I just spotted my *kitten* in my an us, I'll just add the apostrophes lol!!!!!
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