good sugars?!?!

the glucose, fructose and sucrose in fruits are the same as those in tank trucks or bags leaving factories, so they affect the body the same. Sure they come with a bit of fibre and the odd vitamin or two but fruit is largely juice and juice is a solution of sugars.

Fructose goes to the liver for processing, sucrose splits into glucose and fructose in the gut, glucose joins other carbs in the bloodstream.

The "good" is the result of a lot of marketing and propaganda, if you think it through you'll see past it. White sugar is grown in plants - cane and beet - and just made more convenient to use. It's still a natural sugar.

sure it is, because of the vitamins and other stuff
but there are no "good" or "bad" sugar. surely its better to eat an apple than drink a bottle of coke. but the sugar is the same.
not just so much

so by eating lots of fruit, it's not necessarily good for you?

Correct, you can get obese on excess fruit. You might also like to research the effects of fructose intake on the liver.

Yes, the calories in 100 calories of apple are the same as those in 100 calories of cake. A recent TV programme highlighted a lady eating 350 calorie fruit salads and not logging the calories because they were "healthy". We've been brainwashed.

so by eating lots of fruit, it's not necessarily good for you?

Correct, you can get obese on excess fruit. You might also like to research the effects of fructose intake on the liver.

Yes, the calories in 100 calories of apple are the same as those in 100 calories of cake. A recent TV programme highlighted a lady eating 350 calorie fruit salads and not logging the calories because they were "healthy". We've been brainwashed.

o wow! did not know this thanks!

Maybe you shoul open your diary so we can have a look. But if you should have 24 and you have 90.....hmmmm, maybe too much???

are you gaining weight eating as you are? if not the only thing that would have any concern is if your body can handle the sugars or not ...are you predisposed to diabetes.... does it run in your family? if yes...i would watch your sugars.
Fruit is good for you...but like anything it needs to be balanced and in moferation like anything else.

hi guys, diary's open now (didnt realize it was private) I'm fine with eating the sugar as it's from fruit, im just worried about whether it'll be turned into fat cells by the glycogen. Thanks x

as long as you're not over on your calories, you should be fine. yes, you CAN gain weight eating fruit, but it's not likely. you'd have to eat almost 44 apples (over your maintenance calories) to gain a pound, but only about 7 pieces of chocolate cake, if that puts it in perspective.

Keep the fruits and reduce the fat in your diet.


"Eating a diet of mostly fruit, including generous amounts of fresh sweet fruit, does not create high blood sugar not when you are eating a LOW-FAT diet, that is. When the system is not gummed up with excess fat, the sugar from even "high-glycemic" fruit moves easily in and then out of the blood. Blood-sugar levels in a healthy individual do not vary much in spite of changes in the diet." - Dr. Douglas Graham

This is mumbo jumbo. You fruits and carbs in general are a little high. Your fat intake is low. Both are important in moderation. If I were you, I'd lower my fruit intake by about 1/2 and slightly increase heathy fats from sources like nut butters, avocado, fish oil supplements, butter and coconut oil.

You fruits and carbs in general are a little high. Your fat intake is low. Both are important in moderation. If I were you, I'd lower my fruit intake by about 1/2 and slightly increase heathy fats from sources like nut butters, avocado, fish oil supplements, butter and coconut oil.

Not good advice!!! Never increase your oil intake! Even if you are, for some reason, believing that a high fat diet will lead to better health, get your fat from WHOLE avocado and coconuts.

Lower your PROCESSED REFINED carb intake, preferably to zero, but don't decrease your fruit intake, that's just silly.

You fruits and carbs in general are a little high. Your fat intake is low. Both are important in moderation. If I were you, I'd lower my fruit intake by about 1/2 and slightly increase heathy fats from sources like nut butters, avocado, fish oil supplements, butter and coconut oil.

Not good advice!!! Never increase your oil intake! Even if you are, for some reason, believing that a high fat diet will lead to better health, get your fat from WHOLE avocado and coconuts.

Lower your PROCESSED REFINED carb intake, preferably to zero, but don't decrease your fruit intake, that's just silly.

You got any peer reviewed studies to back this up? I totally agree on the processed carbs but the fats thing is whacky quite honestly. This person is not eating a high fat diet. They are eating a low fat high, high carb, high sugar diet which seems to be what you think is ideal. I think you are all wet.

I'm not sure what the wet comment refers to, but i can respond to the rest. I was wet when i showered, but a little towel use quickly took care of that.

Peer reviewed studies, i'm sure they exist, but i don't have any to list. I'm not a doctor or a scientist, i am a guy who lost a bunch of weight, very rapidly, by eating a plant based, low fat diet. The information i espouse is based on what has worked for me, and not worked for me, over many years, and based on what i have observed while traveling abroad, and based on what i have read in books.

We seem to agree about processed carbs, but we disagree on the fat issue. It seems you are saying she needs more fat, and i'm saying she doesn't, but what neither of us did was ask exactly how much of her total caloric intake came from fat.

Most people in the USA get too much fat, especially for those people who eat concentrated, processed fats like oils. Yes, fat is good, but not too much. From what i have read, and what i have experimented with in my own diet, anything more than 10% of your calories from fat is too much.

You fruits and carbs in general are a little high. Your fat intake is low. Both are important in moderation. If I were you, I'd lower my fruit intake by about 1/2 and slightly increase heathy fats from sources like nut butters, avocado, fish oil supplements, butter and coconut oil.

Not good advice!!! Never increase your oil intake! Even if you are, for some reason, believing that a high fat diet will lead to better health, get your fat from WHOLE avocado and coconuts.

Lower your PROCESSED REFINED carb intake, preferably to zero, but don't decrease your fruit intake, that's just silly.

You got any peer reviewed studies to back this up? I totally agree on the processed carbs but the fats thing is whacky quite honestly. This person is not eating a high fat diet. They are eating a low fat high, high carb, high sugar diet which seems to be what you think is ideal. I think you are all wet.

I'm not sure what the wet comment refers to, but i can respond to the rest. I was wet when i showered, but a little towel use quickly took care of that.

Peer reviewed studies, i'm sure they exist, but i don't have any to list. I'm not a doctor or a scientist, i am a guy who lost a bunch of weight, very rapidly, by eating a plant based, low fat diet. The information i espouse is based on what has worked for me, and not worked for me, over many years, and based on what i have observed while traveling abroad, and based on what i have read in books.

We seem to agree about processed carbs, but we disagree on the fat issue. It seems you are saying she needs more fat, and i'm saying she doesn't, but what neither of us did was ask exactly how much of her total caloric intake came from fat.

Most people in the USA get too much fat, especially for those people who eat concentrated, processed fats like oils. Yes, fat is good, but not too much. From what i have read, and what i have experimented with in my own diet, anything more than 10% of your calories from fat is too much.

So, in other words, you are recommeding from your own anecdotal evidence. BTW, I didn't have to ask how much of her intake came from fat. I looked it up on her dairy!
My guess is that the weight you lost was due to calorie deficit and not due to macro nutrient mix. Fats are essential to health in a reasonably dose. Just as a FYI, saturated fat in one of the key elements in human mother's breast milk. I wholeheartedly do not agree with your recommedations.

From what i have read, and what i have experimented with in my own diet, anything more than 10% of your calories from fat is too much.

Stop talking about things you don't understand.

Educate me from your immense knowledge, so i can understand. So far all i've seen from you are one-liners.

And again, i totally agree that fats are healthy in an appropriate dose, and i told you that i think an appropriate dose is less than 10% of your calories from fat. You haven't told me yet what you think an appropriate dose is.

Physiologically speaking it's more accurate to base macronutrient intake in grams/lb and not as a percent of calorie intake. Secondarily, 10% of 2200 would be 220 calories which would be 24 grams. That's less than half of what I'd recommend for someone with my stats, just as an example.