Diet drinks.
hazelovesfood
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Do diet drinks really help to make you put on weight, they are very low in cals if not any at all so how can this be worse than drinking there full sugar counterparts.
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I drink Coca Cola Zero almost daily, and I've lost weight0
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Some say dont drink it....some say its not a problem. I subscribe to the theory everything in moderation.....even diet soda. I drink maybe a few cans of diet ginger ale a week.....thats it.0
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I have heard pro and cons on it, but I agree in moderation. I found out I couldnt go without one or I got a headache. So I have one a day, and limit myself to that. The rest of time I drink tea and lots of water (half my weight in oz).0
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I've been drinking it over 20 years with no issues. Great dental check ups, no loss of bone, no cravings for sugar, or any of the other anecdotal symptoms that diet soda opponents state as being "fact".
It may cause problems for some, but by in large, it's fine to drink if you want to use it as your "sweet" treat.
And before opponents post the bad about diet soda, please link a peer reviewed clinical study supporting your stance against it. No a blog, or an article from a "naturalist" site, but some peer reviewed study done by a University, Journal of Medicine, etc.
It's always good to read the real truth instead of spout info you've learned from hearsay.
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I have heard that the fake sugar in diet soda changes the way your body processes fat and that is also a stimulate to make you body think its hungry. People who drink diet soda are more likely to be overweight because of this things0
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Here you go: Not a smoking gun, but suggestive: http://marystod.blogspot.com/2011/08/aspartame-diet-drinks-cause-wt-gain-in.html
Nutrition studies are, as this article suggests, always difficult. Too many uncontrolled variables. The science may never be anything but correlational, not causitive. Even so , it is suggestive. For a very long time, the science on smoking was correlative also. It hasn't been until recent genetic studies that it has shown smoking to be causitive.0 -
Here you go: Not a smoking gun, but suggestive: http://marystod.blogspot.com/2011/08/aspartame-diet-drinks-cause-wt-gain-in.html
Nutrition studies are, as this article suggests, always difficult. Too many uncontrolled variables. The science may never be anything but correlational, not causitive. Even so , it is suggestive.
I just don't think it's all that suggestive of anything, though, if we can't even come up with a plausible mechanism for the weight gain other than people who drink diet sodas are more likely to consume more calories.0 -
Yup, that's why its correlative. Just like the science on smoking was. It took over a 100 years to even figure out how aspirin works.0
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I'd be interested to see the actual studies rather than a journalist's conclusions based on those studies. Then there might be something to discuss.0
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You "heard" it. And you heard wrong. Correlation isn't causation.I have heard that the fake sugar in diet soda changes the way your body processes fat and that is also a stimulate to make you body think its hungry. People who drink diet soda are more likely to be overweight because of this things
It's like people were saying in the early 80's that AIDS was a gay disease since it was more prevalent amongst gays. Then science actually found out it was an immunity disease that could be spread by unprotected sex. Next thing we know, heterosexuals were getting it.
So don't spout off information that actually doesn't have actual proof to back it. It's irresponsible.
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Wow seriously? no need to attack me! i said I heard because thats what I have heard. I never said that i had the research to prove it and that everyone should listen to me. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else don't call me irresponsible just cuz I'm saying things that you don't agree with. Its people like you that make people afraid to state their opinions on forms like this!0 -
You "heard" it. And you heard wrong. Correlation isn't causation.I have heard that the fake sugar in diet soda changes the way your body processes fat and that is also a stimulate to make you body think its hungry. People who drink diet soda are more likely to be overweight because of this things
It's like people were saying in the early 80's that AIDS was a gay disease since it was more prevalent amongst gays. Then science actually found out it was an immunity disease that could be spread by unprotected sex. Next thing we know, heterosexuals were getting it.
So don't spout off information that actually doesn't have actual proof to back it. It's irresponsible.
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First, I wish I could drink my Diet Pepsi everday again. But, I feel 100% better after stopping. This was before I began losing weight. There are many studies that have been done regarding how the body reacts to the ingred. in diet colas. No, there are no conclusive studies, but I really don't want to spend the last years of my life wishing that I had thought through the consequences of putting something in my body that could potentially harm it. I did enough of that in the last few years with food. What if in five years they have conclusive proof that it is unhealthy? I hope you understand that I am not telling anyone what they should do with their body. I only share my experience with giving up the diet sodas, not using fear to scare them into quitting. The only posts I respond to are people who want to quit drinking diet sodas.0 -
However, medical science and science overall has advanced much more aggressively and more precisely than before.Yup, that's why its correlative. Just like the science on smoking was. It took over a 100 years to even figure out how aspirin works.
Like the some of the studies suggest, it's associated with as well as correlated with. Some people drink diet soda with the thought that since they are saving calories in the drink, they can eat more which was mentioned in the study. One study showed that aspartame apparently caused cravings when you drank it, but when taken in pill form no cravings were apparent. What they need to do is take a bunch of skinny people, have them drink diet soda (and a placebo) for a substantial time and see if there is significant weight gain and track their eating habits.
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You "heard" it. And you heard wrong. Correlation isn't causation.I have heard that the fake sugar in diet soda changes the way your body processes fat and that is also a stimulate to make you body think its hungry. People who drink diet soda are more likely to be overweight because of this things
It's like people were saying in the early 80's that AIDS was a gay disease since it was more prevalent amongst gays. Then science actually found out it was an immunity disease that could be spread by unprotected sex. Next thing we know, heterosexuals were getting it.
So don't spout off information that actually doesn't have actual proof to back it. It's irresponsible.
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Wow seriously? no need to attack me! i said I heard because thats what I have heard. I never said that i had the research to prove it and that everyone should listen to me. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else don't call me irresponsible just cuz I'm saying things that you don't agree with. Its people like you that make people afraid to state their opinions on forms like this!
Would it be irresponsible of me if I claimed to hear that drinking water causes cancer? It's just an opinion. I'm allowed to have it, and even share it. That means I should do so, yes?0 -
Hi, my name is Julie and I am an aspertine addict. I was heartbroken when I gave up my diet soda's about 4 months ago after much defensiveness and attitude toward those that advised me to do so. I was desperate to try anything-something different to loose the weight-so why not give it a shot. I do still enjoy one on occasion (about 1or 3 per month) and now I do not feel like I am starving all day- it may be because the water fills me up I don't know. I was drinking about a 6 pack of soda's a day or a 2 liter before and I had the appetite of a grown man. So even if the aspertine rumors are not true (cancers, memory loss, etc. ) giving them up has worked out well for me.0
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Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but to post information that doesn't have actual proof is irresponsible. Of course I'll disagree when there's no actual proof to support it.
You "heard" it. And you heard wrong. Correlation isn't causation.I have heard that the fake sugar in diet soda changes the way your body processes fat and that is also a stimulate to make you body think its hungry. People who drink diet soda are more likely to be overweight because of this things
It's like people were saying in the early 80's that AIDS was a gay disease since it was more prevalent amongst gays. Then science actually found out it was an immunity disease that could be spread by unprotected sex. Next thing we know, heterosexuals were getting it.
So don't spout off information that actually doesn't have actual proof to back it. It's irresponsible.
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Wow seriously? no need to attack me! i said I heard because thats what I have heard. I never said that i had the research to prove it and that everyone should listen to me. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else don't call me irresponsible just cuz I'm saying things that you don't agree with. Its people like you that make people afraid to state their opinions on forms like this!
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However, medical science and science overall has advanced much more aggressively and more precisely than before.Yup, that's why its correlative. Just like the science on smoking was. It took over a 100 years to even figure out how aspirin works.
Like the some of the studies suggest, it's associated with as well as correlated with. Some people drink diet soda with the thought that since they are saving calories in the drink, they can eat more which was mentioned in the study. One study showed that aspartame apparently caused cravings when you drank it, but when taken in pill form no cravings were apparent. What they need to do is take a bunch of skinny people, have them drink diet soda (and a placebo) for a substantial time and see if there is significant weight gain and track their eating habits.
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What they need to do is take a bunch of skinny people, have them drink diet soda (and a placebo) for a substantial time and see if there is significant weight gain and track their eating habits.
Yes, I agree they need well-designed studies. My real thinking goes like this.
N of 1 studies prove nothing. Not everyone gets cancer from smoking. When some says that they don't have side effects from diet cokes, I have no reason to disbelieve them, but it proves nothing.
Any molecule we ingest is capable of having a side effect. Aspartame is no different and will clearly have different effects on different people. Since whether or not it is causative is an open question, and since I don't know its effects on my biochemistry, I usually avoid it.
In our agra-business food society, we take these risks all the time. We simply, as far as we can, pick and choose the ones we can control. Since I don't like and never have liked sweet drinks, it's easy for me to ignore them. One small risk less.
In the greater picture, the amount of risk I've reduced is probably so small as to not calculable. We all pick our poisons :happy: the best way we can. Believe it or not, I really don't get wrapped around the axle over stuff like this. I just find it interesting.0 -
Wow! How dare you, :laugh:. Geez-you clarified that you heard it, did not claim it to be a fact. I think (insert disclaimer something about not being a fact but my own personal thought instead -no scientific proof, nothing wrong with my hearing -ok, so I can't hear worth a crap) that some take life/soda's a bit too seriously...:drinker:
You "heard" it. And you heard wrong. Correlation isn't causation.I have heard that the fake sugar in diet soda changes the way your body processes fat and that is also a stimulate to make you body think its hungry. People who drink diet soda are more likely to be overweight because of this things
It's like people were saying in the early 80's that AIDS was a gay disease since it was more prevalent amongst gays. Then science actually found out it was an immunity disease that could be spread by unprotected sex. Next thing we know, heterosexuals were getting it.
So don't spout off information that actually doesn't have actual proof to back it. It's irresponsible.
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Wow seriously? no need to attack me! i said I heard because thats what I have heard. I never said that i had the research to prove it and that everyone should listen to me. I am entitled to my opinion just like everyone else don't call me irresponsible just cuz I'm saying things that you don't agree with. Its people like you that make people afraid to state their opinions on forms like this!0 -
the only soda I've been drinking for the last month and a half has been diet, and I've lost about 24lbs, but I have also been drinking a ton of water too along with ice tea.0
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Do diet drinks really help to make you put on weight, they are very low in cals if not any at all so how can this be worse than drinking there full sugar counterparts.
Do diet drinks contain calories?
If the answer is NO, then that is your answer.0 -
Once in a while I'll have a Fresca to satisfy a sweet craving. I see it as a better option than having a cookie, lol.0
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I've heard claims that the high amount of sweetener in diet drinks causes the body to crave sugar, which can lead to people binging on sugary snacks, but I have no idea if that's true or not. As for the drink itself making you gain weight? I don't think it does. It's just really, really bad for your body in large quantities. I used to be a massive diet coke addict, like 4 litres a day of the stuff. It made me extremely, extremely unhealthy, although it didn't affect my weight.
If you like them, drink them. Just stick to a can a day, not a whole 2 litre bottle a day.0 -
Secondhand smoke MAY cause cancer do you avoid going anywhere where you MAY inhale it? Drinking out of plastic bottles now MAY cause cancer, have you stopped drinking out of them? If you like diet soda in moderation.... I dont see the problem?!!!!!0
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Just a note to Joe the personal trainer . . .
"I've been drinking it over 20 years with no issues. Great dental check ups, no loss of bone, no cravings for sugar, or any of the other anecdotal symptoms that diet soda opponents state as being "fact".
It may cause problems for some, but by in large, it's fine to drink if you want to use it as your "sweet" treat. "
Really? My father-in-law is 87 and a heavy smoker. People much younger than him are dying of lung cancer. To say that because the cola has no ill effects on you, so it's good to go, is liking saying that everyone's body will react the same as yours.
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Perhaps a short course in how to win friends would help you to give a kinder response to my friend pandurbear77 the next time. :-)
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Just a note to Joe the personal trainer . . .
"I've been drinking it over 20 years with no issues. Great dental check ups, no loss of bone, no cravings for sugar, or any of the other anecdotal symptoms that diet soda opponents state as being "fact".
It may cause problems for some, but by in large, it's fine to drink if you want to use it as your "sweet" treat. "
Really? My father-in-law is 87 and a heavy smoker. People much younger than him are dying of lung cancer. To say that because the cola has no ill effects on you, so it's good to go, is liking saying that everyone's body will react the same as yours.
There is something wrong with this picture. Does anyone else see it?
Perhaps a short course in how to win friends would help you to give a kinder response to my friend pandurbear77 the next time. :-)
Tom
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Some people drink diet sodas because they are always available in the same places that sell high fat, high cal foods. Every fast food restaurant sells diet drinks. If you "super size it," you automatically get a soft drink. So a lot of diet soda consumption will come just because it's easily available to the people who make otherwise bad food choices. That doesn't prove causation.
Some people will drink a diet soda and will want to follow it with something else due to the sweetness in their mouths/aftertaste/lack of full feeling/stimulation of gastric juices. If you're one of those people, you don't need a scientific study to tell you you're following your diet sodas with caloric foods.
Some people use diet sodas to distract themselves from that "I gotta put something in my mouth 'cause I'm bored" feeling. They may find diet sodas help them lose weight because they've changed their eating habits.
But there is nothing intrinsic to artificial sweeteners that causes the laws of physics to change so people eating the same amount of calories gain instead of losing.
Remember that their is BIG money in sweeteners, and much of the "research" is conducted by the groups selling a particular sweetener to make their competitors look bad.0 -
Just a note to Joe the personal trainer . . .
"I've been drinking it over 20 years with no issues. Great dental check ups, no loss of bone, no cravings for sugar, or any of the other anecdotal symptoms that diet soda opponents state as being "fact".
It may cause problems for some, but by in large, it's fine to drink if you want to use it as your "sweet" treat. "
Really? My father-in-law is 87 and a heavy smoker. People much younger than him are dying of lung cancer. To say that because the cola has no ill effects on you, so it's good to go, is liking saying that everyone's body will react the same as yours.
There is something wrong with this picture. Does anyone else see it?
Perhaps a short course in how to win friends would help you to give a kinder response to my friend pandurbear77 the next time. :-)
Tom
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Also, :flowerforyou: :flowerforyou:0 -
wow, wouldnt it be good if we actually knew what was true. A friend of my husbands told me last week that aspartme or phenayline hardens the fat on your liver or something like that. I had swapped to diet drinks to stop taking in cals from drinks like coke etc. I dont like diet coke but prefer diet pepsi, for me now the full sugar variety tastes so sweet and funny to me.I know one thing it doesnt make me crave food, its just a drink. I think so many people drink diet coke etc as they think it will gine them licence to eat more.For me that is not why I have been having them on and off, dont drink much at all mind, maybe 2 glasses a week. Rest of the time, i drink decaf tea and green tea or water.I wouldnt like to think that it might actually be harming my body though and now im thinking o god is water all i can drink. Im going on holiday tomorrow and the thought of drinks like pepsi is kinda filling me with dred, I dont want to drink the full sugar ones as i know they will add weight to me but then what if the non calourie kind is doing the same, omg is there any end to what might or might not be good for you. It seems everyone will only be healthy if they are totally pure and clean of any made made substence. but then look at the water too, Ive seen the pic of the drinks we have and if the so called highland water had sugar in it, why????????????? How do you know whats in that bottled water your drinking, for that matter how do you no what chemicals could be present in your water system, no one does- and it seems its impossible to find out either.Id hate to think diet drink put weight on people when so many personal trainers etc keep saying ITS ALL ABOUT CALOURIES IN AND OUT.0
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Please, have fun on your vacation. I'm sure there will be more things to see and do than worry about whether a diet soda is good or bad. Go - have fun!!!
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