Nutritionist bad advice? 1500 not losing!

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  • HealthyNFit4Life
    HealthyNFit4Life Posts: 185 Member
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    Hii, my dietician told me to do the same thing!!! I spoke with her about "netting." She said there is not enough research to support this netting concept. 1,500 should be enough for your body when you are working out. If you are still hungry at the end of the day, eat a little more. Your body is going to take time to adjust to upping your calories. Be patient.
  • secretgirl4611
    secretgirl4611 Posts: 474 Member
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    Def. need to eat more. Figure out ur BMR and never eat below that at least always NET that for sure.. So you could be eating anywhere from 1600-1900 calories per day.. minus your 500 to lose a pound per wk. which then ur body should respond well and start losing again BUT ALWAYS TRY AND NET UR BMR!! Go into groups and type in: EAT MORE TO WEIGH LESS
    that group is amazing! Thanks to that group I eat around 1900 I burn about 500 which then nets me PERFECTLY at my BMR of 1400.. My body is never starving and is finally shedding the weight. I was where u were gettin fed up! Who knew weight could be so hard to lose without the perfect plan. Its not that hard we just have to figure out what works..
  • TrainingWithTonya
    TrainingWithTonya Posts: 1,741 Member
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    Clearly, this was not a Sports Nutritionist who you saw. Standard nutritionists and dietitians don't know squat about exercise and the need to fuel it. Go to my blog http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/TrainingWithTonya and follow the directions for figuring your BMR, RMR (EER), and TDEE (and your macros if you want those too) and then eat no less then 80% of your TDEE to lose weight.
    16 years Certified Personal Trainer and Group Exercise Instructor
    9 years Certified Sports Nutritionist
    Bachelors in Exercise Physiology with a Minor in Nutritional Science
    ACSM Certified Clinical Exercise Specialist
    NSCA Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist
  • Jomalone2
    Jomalone2 Posts: 129 Member
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    Looking at your age (I feel your pain, I'm right there with you), you might want to have your hormones checked if after a few weeks you don't see any results. Just my 2 cents.
  • secretlobster
    secretlobster Posts: 3,566 Member
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    If eat my exercise calories back I DO NOT LOSE period.
    Also, I have to eat fewer than 1400 to lose at all ... it just doesn't happen for me otherwise.

    I'm gonna go out on a limb for you and say that your metabolism is not optimal. I damaged my own metabolism by consistently eating 1200 calories (or less). It's going to take some time eating at a higher calorie intake. Trust me it's not easy - I'm extremely active and have been eating at 1800-2200 calories for a couple of weeks now - this is accounting for a daily average of 400-600 calories burned through running and kickboxing - And while I haven't made any significant LOSSES more than 2lbs (I don't have a lot to lose), it does prove that I can eat more and not gain weight from it. Knowing that you don't HAVE to eat so little is a really significant accomplishment.

    I hate the eat more to weigh less group because it's run by a fascist dictator who cannot take any criticism, and healthy debate is met with excommunication. So I won't really recommend it. BUT, you can eat more than 1200 calories a day and if you're an active person, you SHOULD eat more than 1200 calories a day.
  • secretlobster
    secretlobster Posts: 3,566 Member
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    Clearly, this was not a Sports Nutritionist who you saw. Standard nutritionists and dietitians don't know squat about exercise and the need to fuel it. Go to my blog http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/TrainingWithTonya and follow the directions for figuring your BMR, RMR (EER), and TDEE (and your macros if you want those too) and then eat no less then 80% of your TDEE to lose weight.

    This is an EXCELLENT post!!!!
  • TourThePast
    TourThePast Posts: 1,753 Member
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    She's working out - regardless of the calories she's consuming .. she's getting muscle.. there's no way around that.
    Yeah, she's getting lots of muscle, I've been lifting heavy for a year and already I look better than Arnold Schwarzenegger! :bigsmile:

    It's sweet that she's trying to make you feel better though, I do enjoy some of the Pollyanna-ish things I read on here.

    To the OP, just do a quick google search to find out how likely it is that you're gaining muscle while on a calorie deficit, you might not like what you learn, but at least it will be sane sensible advice! :D
  • auroranflash
    auroranflash Posts: 3,569 Member
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    Hii, my dietician told me to do the same thing!!! I spoke with her about "netting." She said there is not enough research to support this netting concept. 1,500 should be enough for your body when you are working out. If you are still hungry at the end of the day, eat a little more. Your body is going to take time to adjust to upping your calories. Be patient.

    If your doc can't understand the concept of "netting" ...as in, burning calories, eating calories, and maintaining a deficit while doing so ... then you may want to consider switching doctors...
  • HealthyNFit4Life
    HealthyNFit4Life Posts: 185 Member
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    Hii, my dietician told me to do the same thing!!! I spoke with her about "netting." She said there is not enough research to support this netting concept. 1,500 should be enough for your body when you are working out. If you are still hungry at the end of the day, eat a little more. Your body is going to take time to adjust to upping your calories. Be patient.

    If your doc can't understand the concept of "netting" ...as in, burning calories, eating calories, and maintaining a deficit while doing so ... then you may want to consider switching doctors...

    She said that eating 1,500-1,800 calories should be enough for me. She took into consideration that I am moderately/very active when doing her calculations.
  • gapskinny
    gapskinny Posts: 5
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    Stay away from the scale. As soon as you start exercising you are burning fat and toning making your muscle leaner and denser. It`s not always about the number on the scale, but make sure you take your measurements. By exercising you may lose inches not decrease the number on the scale. Make sense ?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    For your age/height/weight and hopefully even better your weight/bodyfat % - find out your BMR, and see where that 1500 hits in the scheme of activity levels.

    She was probably using an activity calculator like this, and perhaps her concept of working out is far removed from what you plan to do.

    Then again, you may see exactly what that 1500 is a deficit from, and she selected correct one. Doubt it, but interesting to see where.

    Just use the spreadsheet referenced here.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/620206-spreadsheet-for-bmr-tdee-deficit-calcs-mfp-tweaks-hrm
  • tammy1005
    tammy1005 Posts: 62
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    Thank you all for the great advice. I made my diary public so you can see how I eat. I do eat a lot at 1500 and at times I'm not hungry at all. For those of you who asked about me I am 43 133lbs and I'm 5'2. My goal is 120. I try not to weigh myself but I wanted to see if this worked. I know it has only been a week so I will give it more time. I was also go on later today and read the links that some of you posted. Thank you again!!

    The things that confuse me (and I know it's simple math) are tdee, bmr, how much I should be eating, getting a deficit. She made it really easy for me. Eat 1500 burn 500. Hope I don't sound like an idiot. Lol. It does get confusing


    I am starting p90x next week so hopefully that will help!
    Thanks again!
  • auroranflash
    auroranflash Posts: 3,569 Member
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    Hii, my dietician told me to do the same thing!!! I spoke with her about "netting." She said there is not enough research to support this netting concept. 1,500 should be enough for your body when you are working out. If you are still hungry at the end of the day, eat a little more. Your body is going to take time to adjust to upping your calories. Be patient.

    If your doc can't understand the concept of "netting" ...as in, burning calories, eating calories, and maintaining a deficit while doing so ... then you may want to consider switching doctors...

    She said that eating 1,500-1,800 calories should be enough for me. She took into consideration that I am moderately/very active when doing her calculations.

    I'm sedentary/lightly active some weeks and moderately active the rest. I always put 'sedentary' and my BMR is about 1450-1500. That means my TDEE is somewhere around 2000-2200. I eat at 1700, and if I exercise, I may eat slightly more (some calories back). I think you may be shooting on the low end. If you stop losing weight, your hormones might be out of whack because of a very low calorie diet (for your body). If you find that you've stalled, try eating around 1700 calories for three or four weeks. I maintained for about a month, then finally started losing again, weight that wouldn't come off otherwise.
  • sweebum
    sweebum Posts: 1,060 Member
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    You can't up your calories and give up so fast. It takes about 3 weeks to judge if something is working.

    Unless you ate 7000 extra calories, it isn't fat. It's water weight. Remember when you first went on the 1200 calorie diet, you likely lost a bunch in the first week or so? It's usually predominantly water, and it will even out in the following weeks, which is why people see their loss "slow down" when in fact when you average it out, they are still consistently losing.

    And if you start p90x next week? You'll likely see a gain while your muscles grab water. It's temporary, give it time.:smile:
  • josephinabonetto
    josephinabonetto Posts: 253 Member
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    I use these calculators for deciding how many calories to eat:

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/

    http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm

    I eat 15% less than my TDEE as of this week. Too soon to say if I am making progress but it's a 200ish a day calorie increase on what I was eating.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    Thank you all for the great advice. I made my diary public so you can see how I eat. I do eat a lot at 1500 and at times I'm not hungry at all. For those of you who asked about me I am 43 133lbs and I'm 5'2. My goal is 120. I try not to weigh myself but I wanted to see if this worked. I know it has only been a week so I will give it more time. I was also go on later today and read the links that some of you posted. Thank you again!!

    The things that confuse me (and I know it's simple math) are tdee, bmr, how much I should be eating, getting a deficit. She made it really easy for me. Eat 1500 burn 500. Hope I don't sound like an idiot. Lol. It does get confusing


    I am starting p90x next week so hopefully that will help!
    Thanks again!

    It probably won't help if you aren't eating enough.

    Actually, even if you are, be prepared not for weight loss, but measurement changes from fat loss and LBM gain. Probably no scale changes.

    So your healthy estimated BMR is 1212, Sedentary activity level would be around 1500 then, this means no exercise expected.
    This would be to maintain weight.

    Since you are so close to goal weight, this will also be might slow, don't expect more than 1 lb every 2 wks. And seeing 1/2 lb weekly will be difficult because of normal fluctuations. Only weigh the morning after a rest day.

    Use the spreadsheet I referenced, get your info entered in, select how many hrs a week you plan on doing P90X, and feed that workout.

    Frankly, being this close, you could eat at TDEE. That would accelerate seeing improvements from doing that intense workout, and losing fat, at the same time. Body recomposition.
    What will happen is, you'll discover that 132 lbs that looks thinner and fits in clothes better and is stronger and is more desired than 120 lbs that you may have seen at some point in your past and are comparing to.
  • tammy1005
    tammy1005 Posts: 62
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    You can't up your calories and give up so fast. It takes about 3 weeks to judge if something is working.

    Unless you ate 7000 extra calories, it isn't fat. It's water weight. Remember when you first went on the 1200 calorie diet, you likely lost a bunch in the first week or so? It's usually predominantly water, and it will even out in the following weeks, which is why people see their loss "slow down" when in fact when you average it out, they are still consistently losing.

    And if you start p90x next week? You'll likely see a gain while your muscles grab water. It's temporary, give it time.:smile:


    Thank you! I am so afraid of gaining muscle! I heard about the muscle retaining water so I know what to be prepared for. I will give it more time.
  • tammy1005
    tammy1005 Posts: 62
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    Thank you all for the great advice. I made my diary public so you can see how I eat. I do eat a lot at 1500 and at times I'm not hungry at all. For those of you who asked about me I am 43 133lbs and I'm 5'2. My goal is 120. I try not to weigh myself but I wanted to see if this worked. I know it has only been a week so I will give it more time. I was also go on later today and read the links that some of you posted. Thank you again!!

    The things that confuse me (and I know it's simple math) are tdee, bmr, how much I should be eating, getting a deficit. She made it really easy for me. Eat 1500 burn 500. Hope I don't sound like an idiot. Lol. It does get confusing


    I am starting p90x next week so hopefully that will help!
    Thanks again!

    It probably won't help if you aren't eating enough.

    Actually, even if you are, be prepared not for weight loss, but measurement changes from fat loss and LBM gain. Probably no scale changes.

    So your healthy estimated BMR is 1212, Sedentary activity level would be around 1500 then, this means no exercise expected.
    This would be to maintain weight.

    Since you are so close to goal weight, this will also be might slow, don't expect more than 1 lb every 2 wks. And seeing 1/2 lb weekly will be difficult because of normal fluctuations. Only weigh the morning after a rest day.

    Use the spreadsheet I referenced, get your info entered in, select how many hrs a week you plan on doing P90X, and feed that workout.

    Frankly, being this close, you could eat at TDEE. That would accelerate seeing improvements from doing that intense workout, and losing fat, at the same time. Body recomposition.
    What will happen is, you'll discover that 132 lbs that looks thinner and fits in clothes better and is stronger and is more desired than 120 lbs that you may have seen at some point in your past and are comparing to.

    Thank you for the great advice. I can't wait to start and I understand what you mean about how you look and change your body and not looking a the lbs.. I was told to eat more when I start the P90x...I just don't know what it up it too. I know it will be more then 1500.

    Being so close to my goal has been frustrating because I can't seem to budge...lol.
  • 3dogsrunning
    3dogsrunning Posts: 27,167 Member
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    Hii, my dietician told me to do the same thing!!! I spoke with her about "netting." She said there is not enough research to support this netting concept. 1,500 should be enough for your body when you are working out. If you are still hungry at the end of the day, eat a little more. Your body is going to take time to adjust to upping your calories. Be patient.

    If your doc can't understand the concept of "netting" ...as in, burning calories, eating calories, and maintaining a deficit while doing so ... then you may want to consider switching doctors...

    She said that eating 1,500-1,800 calories should be enough for me. She took into consideration that I am moderately/very active when doing her calculations.

    I find it odd she doesn't believe in "netting" when that is essentially what she suggests as well.
    Most dieticians, etc, figure your BMR, multiply it by an activity factor which includes regular daily activity plus anticipates how much we will exercise, then creates a deficit from that. You don't "eat back" your exercise calories because they are already accounted for.
    MFP figures your BMR, figures in your daily activity (but does not include exercise) then creates a deficit from that. It then suggests you eat back your exercise calories to maintain that deficit.
    If done properly, they both usually end up in the same place.
    When I first joined MFP, my target was 1450 calories per day. I was burning 350-400 calories most days of the week, so I was eating 1800-1850 calories a day, netting 1450.
    I went to a trainer who set me up with a program. She included my exercise in her calculations put me on around 1800 calories per day and i was not "eating back" the calories. I still logged my food and exercise, and usually ended up "netting" 1450 or so.

    Two different formulas with pretty much the same outcome.

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