no more than 16oz soda nanny state or good thing?
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Bad simply because it takes away the right to choose. We say the USA is free and yet little by little we give it up with laws like these. I dont even drink soda, but I would sure stand in line to vote against this just on principle.0
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As a Canadian... I was FREAKED OUT by the portion sizes when I visited the USA last summer. It was DISGUSTING. All I could think the whole time I was there was "No wonder so many Americans are Overweight/Obese. Society is enabling them."
I think it's a step in the right direction, personally. And if people DO order more than one beverage so they can drink MORE carbonated, sugar-filled soda (aka Pop in Canada) then that's just disgusting! I see this new law in NY State as encouraging moderation. As far as I'm concerned, it can ONLY be a good thing.0 -
As a Canadian... I was FREAKED OUT by the portion sizes when I visited the USA last summer. It was DISGUSTING. All I could think the whole time I was there was "No wonder so many Americans are Overweight/Obese. Society is enabling them."
I think it's a step in the right direction, personally. And if people DO order more than one beverage so they can drink MORE carbonated, sugar-filled soda (aka Pop in Canada) then that's just disgusting! I see this new law in NY State as encouraging moderation. As far as I'm concerned, it can ONLY be a good thing.
I am overweight and I haven't had soda in more years than I want to admit.0 -
Politicians just think by making these stupid laws, they are really looking out for the "saftety" of citizens! Really? How about all the gangland murders and shootings! (Gotta check out the Chicago Murder rates this year!) We had a good wekend here...only 14 killed and I think it was 44 shot!
Good point! When will it be made illegal to murder people? :drinker:0 -
I don't think the government should be able to regulate what people ingest.0
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I can't find a SINGLE good thing to say about it. First and foremost it basically eliminates my freedom of choice! Even so, if I want to drink more than a single 16 oz I am just going to buy more. And what about all the places you can get free refills? How are they going stop me from having 10 16 oz bottles in a row at home or somewhere else? What about the bacon I eat, the salt I put on my fries when I am out? The ding dongs, devil dogs, corn dogs candy bars etc? What other rights are the going to try and f**k with next? Smoking is waaaaayyyyyy worse, but you don't see them limiting your purchases of them or alcohol? Sorry, but I think Government is just using health as a testing ground for eliminating our constitutional rights so they can just turn it into strictly policed Country. Apparently Democracy and personal rights are for other countries now and not ours. Land of the free? Not for much longer!0
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As a Canadian... I was FREAKED OUT by the portion sizes when I visited the USA last summer. It was DISGUSTING. All I could think the whole time I was there was "No wonder so many Americans are Overweight/Obese. Society is enabling them."
I think it's a step in the right direction, personally. And if people DO order more than one beverage so they can drink MORE carbonated, sugar-filled soda (aka Pop in Canada) then that's just disgusting! I see this new law in NY State as encouraging moderation. As far as I'm concerned, it can ONLY be a good thing.
Canada has a growing obesity problem as well.0 -
I can't find a SINGLE good thing to say about it. First and foremost it basically eliminates my freedom of choice! Even so, if I want to drink more than a single 16 oz I am just going to buy more. And what about all the places you can get free refills? How are they going stop me from having 10 16 oz bottles in a row at home or somewhere else? What about the bacon I eat, the salt I put on my fries when I am out? The ding dongs, devil dogs, corn dogs candy bars etc? What other rights are the going to try and f**k with next? Smoking is waaaaayyyyyy worse, but you don't see them limiting your purchases of them or alcohol? Sorry, but I think Government is just using health as a testing ground for eliminating our constitutional rights so they can just turn it into strictly policed Country. Apparently Democracy and personal rights are for other countries now and not ours. Land of the free? Not for much longer!
Look at all the people who are OK with this. They see an obesity problem and say, "Oh, hey! This can help fix that problem so let's do it!" And they don't see the bigger picture that this is NOT about obesity or health. It's about the government sticking its nose in our business where it DOES NOT BELONG. One issue at a time, the US is turning into a dictatorship because "we the people" are accepting it. It may take 100 years, but that's the direction we're going because of things like this.0 -
I can't find a SINGLE good thing to say about it. First and foremost it basically eliminates my freedom of choice! Even so, if I want to drink more than a single 16 oz I am just going to buy more. And what about all the places you can get free refills? How are they going stop me from having 10 16 oz bottles in a row at home or somewhere else? What about the bacon I eat, the salt I put on my fries when I am out? The ding dongs, devil dogs, corn dogs candy bars etc? What other rights are the going to try and f**k with next? Smoking is waaaaayyyyyy worse, but you don't see them limiting your purchases of them or alcohol? Sorry, but I think Government is just using health as a testing ground for eliminating our constitutional rights so they can just turn it into strictly policed Country. Apparently Democracy and personal rights are for other countries now and not ours. Land of the free? Not for much longer!
Nobody is limiting the amount of soft drink someone can buy.
The city is trying to get people to think about how much they are buying.
Very few people will buy the second bottle of sodapop to get over the 16 oz.
Alcohol sales are limited and regulated. Strenght,quantity,and age are all factors in limiting alcohol purchases. You are just used to those limitations.
Look at all the people who are OK with this. They see an obesity problem and say, "Oh, hey! This can help fix that problem so let's do it!" And they don't see the bigger picture that this is NOT about obesity or health. It's about the government sticking its nose in our business where it DOES NOT BELONG. One issue at a time, the US is turning into a dictatorship because "we the people" are accepting it. It may take 100 years, but that's the direction we're going because of things like this.0 -
Look at all the people who are OK with this. They see an obesity problem and say, "Oh, hey! This can help fix that problem so let's do it!" And they don't see the bigger picture that this is NOT about obesity or health. It's about the government sticking its nose in our business where it DOES NOT BELONG. One issue at a time, the US is turning into a dictatorship because "we the people" are accepting it. It may take 100 years, but that's the direction we're going because of things like this.Nobody is limiting the amount of soft drink someone can buy.
The city is trying to get people to think about how much they are buying.
Very few people will buy the second bottle of sodapop to get over the 16 oz.
Alcohol sales are limited and regulated. Strenght,quantity,and age are all factors in limiting alcohol purchases. You are just used to those limitations.
Thank you for proving my point. :-)0 -
Look at all the people who are OK with this. They see an obesity problem and say, "Oh, hey! This can help fix that problem so let's do it!" And they don't see the bigger picture that this is NOT about obesity or health. It's about the government sticking its nose in our business where it DOES NOT BELONG. One issue at a time, the US is turning into a dictatorship because "we the people" are accepting it. It may take 100 years, but that's the direction we're going because of things like this.
I can't find a SINGLE good thing to say about it. First and foremost it basically eliminates my freedom of choice! Even so, if I want to drink more than a single 16 oz I am just going to buy more. And what about all the places you can get free refills? How are they going stop me from having 10 16 oz bottles in a row at home or somewhere else? What about the bacon I eat, the salt I put on my fries when I am out? The ding dongs, devil dogs, corn dogs candy bars etc? What other rights are the going to try and f**k with next? Smoking is waaaaayyyyyy worse, but you don't see them limiting your purchases of them or alcohol? Sorry, but I think Government is just using health as a testing ground for eliminating our constitutional rights so they can just turn it into strictly policed Country. Apparently Democracy and personal rights are for other countries now and not ours. Land of the free? Not for much longer!it's about time ...If you don't control yourself than some one will have to control of you .
Do you really think people will bother to buy the second bottle? I do not.
If the companies thought that you would buy the second drink they would be all over this law. They usually charge a lot less per ounce of product in the large size than they do in the small. Their profits would increase.
life is about limits and controls. It is called a society. It is how we live togeather.0 -
I don't think the government should be able to regulate what people ingest.
Or are they just contorling the the way it is bought and sold?0 -
For health reasons, I completely support it. However I do not support the government telling people how to live their lives.0
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Nobody is limiting the amount of soft drink someone can buy.
The city is trying to get people to think about how much they are buying.
Very few people will buy the second bottle of sodapop to get over the 16 oz.
Alcohol sales are limited and regulated. Strenght,quantity,and age are all factors in limiting alcohol purchases. You are just used to those limitations.
Alcohol is not the same as soda. Alcohol changes behavior and is essentially a drug. There is no real good reason to put any type of limit on soda so its not just about limitations that we are use too.0 -
Yes I could see why it would be good. But couldn't people just buy 2, 3, or 4 sodas anyways?? Sometimes I worry about too much regulation on things.
I think that's EXACTLY the point of this kind of rule. If you actually want to drink 16oz of sugary drinks you should have to make that choice and pay for it. Most people have the choice subconsciously made for them by the companies who are selling them the product. This really represents great consumer freedom and responsibility.
That's some twisted reasoning in order to say it's okay for some stranger to force upon you their will.0 -
I think it's ridiculous. I say get rid of all stupidity laws and let it work itself out and the world would be a better place and we may not end up like the movie Idiocracy. We don't need laws telling us what we can and can't do when it comes to our bodies. If I want to drink 32 oz of Diet Coke at a time, I will. I will just buy 2 16 oz ones if they outlaw the 32oz. Stupidity laws are nothing but Big Brother pushing his way into our lives one little step at a time so we don't notice as much.0
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To preface, I'm a liberal, democrat, etc.
It's nanny state. People should choose to be healthy/unhealthy. They should choose to live or die.
If I'm pro-choice about bigger things than soda size, I believe in the choice to be stupid, fat, lazy, ugly, brilliant, fit, hard-working, and everything in between.0 -
Freedom is something we need to protect at all cost. No one should be told what they can and can't do. The freedom to choose is much more important. If we allow any freedom to be taken from us, we could be allowing a bunch more.0
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Would we still get free refills? Lol.
haha i thought the same thing! i normally don't get soda but what if one day i wanted a huge one? the govt is going to say no? why? it's my decision to be unhealthy.
i don't like the govt regulating everything when a person has the freedom to get the bigger soda. ESPECIALLY if there are no free refills. :laugh:0 -
I can't find a SINGLE good thing to say about it. First and foremost it basically eliminates my freedom of choice! Even so, if I want to drink more than a single 16 oz I am just going to buy more. And what about all the places you can get free refills? How are they going stop me from having 10 16 oz bottles in a row at home or somewhere else? What about the bacon I eat, the salt I put on my fries when I am out? The ding dongs, devil dogs, corn dogs candy bars etc? What other rights are the going to try and f**k with next? Smoking is waaaaayyyyyy worse, but you don't see them limiting your purchases of them or alcohol? Sorry, but I think Government is just using health as a testing ground for eliminating our constitutional rights so they can just turn it into strictly policed Country. Apparently Democracy and personal rights are for other countries now and not ours. Land of the free? Not for much longer!
^^^ This. It's getting more and more obvious everyday that our constitution is in trouble0 -
Hmmmm. Let's see if I've got this right: You can choose to abort your unborn child, BUT cannot choose to purchase a big soda. Liberalism at its best..... (BTW - I don't drink soda):noway: :noway:0
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I think the government should have no control over what we eat/drink. I agree that there are alot of obese people in the U.S. but it should be their choice if they want to eat/drink it or not. Our freedom is being snatched out from under us and alot of people don't care. I am all for healthy no doubt or I wouldn't be on this site trying to lose weight but COME ON PEOPLE, WAKE UP and do something about it. By the way, don't complain about something the government does if you are not a registered voter and/or don't vote. Just saying...0
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I think its silly to have the government regulating us like kids! But on the other hand I understand the logic. After all, since health care is becoming more and more of a government responsibility then its logical that they have some authority to enforce healthy habits... I wonder whats next... Mandatory workouts ?? :happy: lol
Its kind of following the parent principle. Mom and dad pay your dentist bill therefore they have the right to say "no candy," and "brush your teeth twice a day," when you are a kid. Now I pay my dentist bills and I decide how I will treat my teeth BUT if the government was paying my dentist bills then shouldnt they have some say in how I treat my teeth??
So I blame all the people who want federal healthcare for laws like this.0 -
I agree with the concept of portion control but only to a certain extent. I don't think they need to create a MAXIMUM for what a soda size can be. But I think they should DEFINE what a SMALL SODA so to create consistency.
For example a "small" soda at the movie theater is 32oz but a small soda almost anywhere else is 12-16oz.. I think that's far more productive legislation.0 -
So, by regulating that one cannot have a large size sweet drink (it's actually sugary drinks--not just soda), they also cannot offer diet drinks or ice tea on tap (that's how we get most of ours here in OK, don't know how it is everywhere--but it's self serve mostly) in larger sizes because they can't control which you get in a cost effective way. But if NY is anything like OK, then they give welfare parents with children juice by the gallon--I think it's a gallon a week for a toddler. And small children shouldn't have any AT ALL. They should have fruit. This is how the government shows they can manage your life better than you can.
But they'll have to regulate more than soft drinks if we all get free healthcare! Every thing we do all day every day will be the government's business. And it will bankrupt us for them to do it. Nothing is free--especially government regulations. I say true freedom works. I say let people be responsible for their actions.0 -
Look at all the people who are OK with this. They see an obesity problem and say, "Oh, hey! This can help fix that problem so let's do it!" And they don't see the bigger picture that this is NOT about obesity or health. It's about the government sticking its nose in our business where it DOES NOT BELONG. One issue at a time, the US is turning into a dictatorship because "we the people" are accepting it. It may take 100 years, but that's the direction we're going because of things like this.
life is about limits and controls. It is called a society. It is how we live togeather.
How does limiting how big a serving of soda someone can have help us live together?
Laws against murder and robbery make sense. Your rights ends where mine begin. But someone drinking 16 oz of soda doesn't directly affect me.
And, yeah, I know the arguments about health and insurance costs, yada, yada, yada. But is regulating junk food going to stop people getting sick and dying? Um ... no. Sorry. We're all going to die and most of us will get sick first. That's just one of those things we have to deal with as a society, no matter what or how much people eat and drink.0 -
I don't think the government should be able to regulate what people ingest.
It's easy enough to say that government shouldn't have a say in what you ingest but when you end up in the hospital because you're morbidly obese then essentially everyone else is paying for your bad decisions. Even if you live in the states and have private insurance the effect is the same. Every person that pays money to your insurance company is helping to pay your hospital fees.
I'm not saying regulate everything but there are definitely things that need improvement. It should start with education and labeling however, not restricting choice at the consumer level. I think some sort of "health tax" on unhealthy, processed foods might be a good idea. As it stands, there are just way too many cheap, unhealthy, food options.0 -
I don't think the government should be able to regulate what people ingest.
It's easy enough to say that government shouldn't have a say in what you ingest but when you end up in the hospital because you're morbidly obese then essentially everyone else is paying for your bad decisions. Even if you live in the states and have private insurance the effect is the same. Every person that pays money to your insurance company is helping to pay your hospital fees.
I'm not saying regulate everything but there are definitely things that need improvement. It should start with education and labeling however, not restricting choice at the consumer level. I think some sort of "health tax" on unhealthy, processed foods might be a good idea. As it stands, there are just way too many cheap, unhealthy, food options.
What is healthy and what isn't when it comes to food is subjective, because of this there should not be a health tax or these type of regulations.0 -
If keeping my liberty means a little higher insurance premiums, I'll take that trade.0
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I still can't figure out how cup size has anything to do with people's liberties...it's the merchants who are having the options reduced. You can drink as much soda as you want to...
I mean I guess technically corporations ARE citizens but still...seems a little extreme to get upset at the rules from a perspective of "liberty". Makes things like speech, religion, privacy, etc. seem less important if "right to a sugary drink in a gallon container" makes the list...
I can understand the argument from the "there are better things for the government to be doing" but then again, in today's political climate we're lucky to get ANYTHING passed with the amount of partisan crap taking its toll on the system...0
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