Food Myths, the Media & Lawyers (Oh My)
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What gets me is when baby formula companies try to make out like it's just as good as mom's milk. EVERYONE knows it's not (and if you read the fine print, even formula ads have to state this...by law), but since the average northamerican mom doesn't want to nurse past a few weeks (or is forced back to work with REALLY short or non existant maternity leave), there is a willful ignorance around this subject. There is even a backlash! Formula feeding mom's, afraid of being labelled, and feeling guilty about giving formula...DEFEND the formula, and get ANGRY at health professionals who even suggest that they should try to nurse their offspring.
Advertising...play into people's fear and you've got em.
It's true, formula is poison. My poor little boys wander around in circles, bumping into walls... staring vacantly at nothing with their little dead eyes... woefully underweight, undernourished and under loved... WHY OH WHY didn't I breastfeed???
Oh wait... they're actually happy, robust little fellows, right on track with their development and lively as can be. And... even though I opted not to breastfeed... they are loved. Put them in a group of kids and you wouldn't be able to tell which was formula fed and which was breastfed.
Breastfeeding is best when mom is eating a well balanced nutritious diet, does not smoke or drink and isn't on any medication. Oh, and also when mom wants to breastfeed. Many women don't meet those standards.
I don't feel guilty at all that my boys got formula.
ETA: Did I mention they never get sick and heal quickly when they get bumps and scrapes?
You realize you basically just proved her point.
I don't think she was saying formula is poison. She was stating the fact that every medical professional have repeatedly said. Mothers Breast milk is better than formula
No she didn't say its poison, I did.
Breastmilk is only better when mom is perfectly healthy. So many chemicals and meds can go through breastmilk.0 -
I think Mark Haub, I believe was his name, has taught me that portion control is everything.
I'm not a rabbit, so I'm not going to eat like one all of the time. I will enjoy my meat, my pastas, my breads, and if I'm feeling dangerous, my sweets but I try not to go overboard (i am not accountable for what enters my stomach during TOM).
It's also fine to let parents give their kids "junk" but as a rare treat, not a "oh, you were good today here is a chocolate bar the size of your head" everyday kind of thing.
Portion control, something the USA lacks.0 -
Wow. That's a lot of debate started by one box of Lawsuit-Starting "I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Cereal".
MESSAGE FROM CANADA:
We don't have Food Stamps. I actually never heard of Food Stamps before I got on this site. I believe in Food Stamps. As a Banker, I see tons of transaction histories on accounts right after social assistance payments go through at the end of the month: "Beer Store", "Liquor Store", "McDonald's", "Burger King", "Dairy Queen", "Baskin Robbins" .... And then a week after the support cheque? They're in line at the local food bank.
I think the biggest problem in BOTH Canada & the USA is that there is no "Food and Nutrition Management" Class in Elementary Schools.
But then again, In Canada we put pictures of diseased lungs & rotten teeth on cigarette packages. Smokers KNOW that's what it will likely do to them, but it doesn't stop them smoking. I don't know... Maybe we should just remove all the warning labels & let Darwinism take over.... Survival of the Fittest, Baby!0 -
It's true, formula is poison. My poor little boys wander around in circles, bumping into walls... staring vacantly at nothing with their little dead eyes... woefully underweight, undernourished and under loved... WHY OH WHY didn't I breastfeed???
Oh wait... they're actually happy, robust little fellows, right on track with their development and lively as can be. And... even though I opted not to breastfeed... they are loved. Put them in a group of kids and you wouldn't be able to tell which was formula fed and which was breastfed.
Breastfeeding is best when mom is eating a well balanced nutritious diet, does not smoke or drink and isn't on any medication. Oh, and also when mom wants to breastfeed. Many women don't meet those standards.
I don't feel guilty at all that my boys got formula.
ETA: Did I mention they never get sick and heal quickly when they get bumps and scrapes?
My mother taught in the public school system for 25 years. She could ALWAYS tell which kids were breastfed from their grades, attention spans, & number of sick days. She made a point of asking mothers with very intelligent children... & mothers whose kids had behavioural problems like ADD, ADHD, & those with a lot of time off sick.
Guess what? The smarter, healthier, more focused kids? They got breast milk... even for just a few weeks. Kids who were on formula from day one? They were the behaviour-problem kids with runny noses. She even wrote a paper on it that got published in an Educational journal up here in Canada.
While I know that not EVERY mother can breastfeed... I know for some Moms it's just not in the cards... they try, their production is low, their child won't latch properly... there are other issues. But it's my FIRM opinion that EVERY Mom should try to breast feed if they can because it really DOES give kids an amazing start to life. It helps immune system function, increases the mental focus of the child & can really help. I don't have kids, but I do have nephews, & my sister had to pump three times a day, every day, for three weeks before her milk came in properly with her first child that he could nurse straight from the breast. It was painful for her, it was uncomfortable for her, & it caused a lot of chaffing. But she STILL says she wouldn't have done it any other way.
And for Moms that are advocates of Formula? If you want to drink, smoke, do drugs, eat sushi, spicy foods, & generally go back to your life the way it was before you got pregnant? GO FOR IT. If that's what you choose to do, I hope like hell you DO use formula, because nicotene & alcohol will do FAR worse for your child than a carefully concocted formula full of enriched vitamins & minerals ever could.0 -
It always astounds me that powdered baby milk can be marketed as immune boosting.
It's not (just) the average content of breast milk that makes it immune boosting. it's the mother, and the baby dyad.
A baby coming down with a bug cuddles close to the mother, and feeds frequently. The bug is passed to the mother whose body produces the antibodies to fight this new bug. The new antibodies are passed into the breastmilk and the baby receives them. And all within about 12 hours. THAT'S how breastfeeding protects babies. A food manufacturer will never be able to come close.
Yes some artificial baby milk is "closer to breastmilk", closer than a cabbage or a pork chop is certainly, and it kills far fewer babies than it used to. (Feed your baby condensed milk anyone? The science certainly sounds convincing http://www.amazon.com/Borden-Eagle-Condensed-Formula-Product/dp/B005OU2D7E ) Fortunately things are a little better now but not as marvellous as the salesmen want you to believe
Oh and re toxic load - can you buy fully organic artificial baby milk, where the cattle haven't been exposed to pesticides in their diet?0 -
It doesn't matter if Disney stops advertising. Kids see that crap in the store and beg mommy to buy it or mommy sees the bright colors and health claims and thinks its kid food.
The only, ONLY thing that will ever help is for parents to educate themselves on what their kids should be eating.
On second thought, I bet if you couldn't buy that crap with food stamps sales would plummet.
Please. Do not assume that the only people who buy "junk" are people on food stamps. Food stamps are not just given to uneducated people. They are also given to people who are simply struggling - and I don't know about you, but I've seen a lot of college educated people who are struggling in this day and age. The comment about food stamps so really judgmental.0 -
It's true, formula is poison. My poor little boys wander around in circles, bumping into walls... staring vacantly at nothing with their little dead eyes... woefully underweight, undernourished and under loved... WHY OH WHY didn't I breastfeed???
Oh wait... they're actually happy, robust little fellows, right on track with their development and lively as can be. And... even though I opted not to breastfeed... they are loved. Put them in a group of kids and you wouldn't be able to tell which was formula fed and which was breastfed.
Breastfeeding is best when mom is eating a well balanced nutritious diet, does not smoke or drink and isn't on any medication. Oh, and also when mom wants to breastfeed. Many women don't meet those standards.
I don't feel guilty at all that my boys got formula.
ETA: Did I mention they never get sick and heal quickly when they get bumps and scrapes?
My mother taught in the public school system for 25 years. She could ALWAYS tell which kids were breastfed from their grades, attention spans, & number of sick days. She made a point of asking mothers with very intelligent children... & mothers whose kids had behavioural problems like ADD, ADHD, & those with a lot of time off sick.
Guess what? The smarter, healthier, more focused kids? They got breast milk... even for just a few weeks. Kids who were on formula from day one? They were the behaviour-problem kids with runny noses. She even wrote a paper on it that got published in an Educational journal up here in Canada.
While I know that not EVERY mother can breastfeed... I know for some Moms it's just not in the cards... they try, their production is low, their child won't latch properly... there are other issues. But it's my FIRM opinion that EVERY Mom should try to breast feed if they can because it really DOES give kids an amazing start to life. It helps immune system function, increases the mental focus of the child & can really help. I don't have kids, but I do have nephews, & my sister had to pump three times a day, every day, for three weeks before her milk came in properly with her first child that he could nurse straight from the breast. It was painful for her, it was uncomfortable for her, & it caused a lot of chaffing. But she STILL says she wouldn't have done it any other way.
And for Moms that are advocates of Formula? If you want to drink, smoke, do drugs, eat sushi, spicy foods, & generally go back to your life the way it was before you got pregnant? GO FOR IT. If that's what you choose to do, I hope like hell you DO use formula, because nicotene & alcohol will do FAR worse for your child than a carefully concocted formula full of enriched vitamins & minerals ever could.
My kids only missed a handful of days of school this year. They are both on the honor roll and have been their entire school careers. They don't have ADD, ADHD, etc. They never had ear infections, runny noses, etc.
THEY WERE BOTH FORMULA FED. (Oh and I would like to mention that WHY I didn't breastfeed had nothing to do with wanting to smoke (I don't), drink (I don't) or do drugs (never have), so stop assuming that because I used formula I'm a smoker, drinker, drug addict or whatever.
I, on other hand, have a ton of allergies, chronic ear infections and struggled in school.
I WAS BREASTFED.
It isn't just about how you were fed as an infant. There are so many other factors. My point is... don't think you can judge a child simply based on things like grades or allergies or whatever. And honestly? Why does what an infant ate from birth to age 1 matter? It doesn't. And breastfeeding doesn't guarantee anything.0 -
It doesn't matter if Disney stops advertising. Kids see that crap in the store and beg mommy to buy it or mommy sees the bright colors and health claims and thinks its kid food.
The only, ONLY thing that will ever help is for parents to educate themselves on what their kids should be eating.
On second thought, I bet if you couldn't buy that crap with food stamps sales would plummet.
this is one of the most ignorant (as in uneducated) things ive read. i know plenty of people with money and NOT on food stamps who are uneducated about health and balanced diet for children and when they grocery shop let the children pick foods out instead of taking control because they are "picky eaters". so please don't make it a financial thing because it's not0 -
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My kids only missed a handful of days of school this year. They are both on the honor roll and have been their entire school careers. They don't have ADD, ADHD, etc. They never had ear infections, runny noses, etc.
THEY WERE BOTH FORMULA FED. (Oh and I would like to mention that WHY I didn't breastfeed had nothing to do with wanting to smoke (I don't), drink (I don't) or do drugs (never have), so stop assuming that because I used formula I'm a smoker, drinker, drug addict or whatever.
I, on other hand, have a ton of allergies, chronic ear infections and struggled in school.
I WAS BREASTFED.
It isn't just about how you were fed as an infant. There are so many other factors. My point is... don't think you can judge a child simply based on things like grades or allergies or whatever. And honestly? Why does what an infant ate from birth to age 1 matter? It doesn't. And breastfeeding doesn't guarantee anything.
So I'm confused. Are you debating that breast feeding is NOT better than formula? Because if that is the case then you should immediately tell every doctor on the planet that since its obvious you trying to defensive about feeding your kid formula is all that is needed to prove.
When you're done trying to be defensive, read the posts again. Nobody is bashing on the ladies who're using formula out of need or even want. However suggesting, against doctors and health departments advice, that formula is just as good or even better than breastfeeding kinda contrary to the facts. And you saying that breastfeeding is only safe when the mother is healthy is very vague statement. What constitutes healthy? You make it sound like 99% of the women are unhealthy enough to make breastfeeding a dangerous adventure when infact only maybe 1% of them women are unhealthy enough where foruma would be a better choice0 -
This would be the view from outside the USA, the FDA's labelling rules have some laughable sillies in. Hence you get "zero calorie" claims that wouldn't stand up anywhere else, and the notion that Hershey's make chocolate.that the culpirt is regulations and that the food companies are merely taking advantage of the "loopholes"
It's good for entertainment, but not for people's health and wellbeing.0 -
Read the first few pages and fast forwarded to the last and I don’t know when exactly this post became a “breast feeding” against “formula” post but it surprising…
Anyway, I’m living in France and I must say that for years there was major breastfeeding pressures ( in the hospitals/clinics, by doctors and associations that are almost sects ). A year ago, a doctor actually had the guts to go on live television and contradict that information in a very intelligent way. He said that, yes, there’s nothing better than mother’s milk for the baby. But, no, in our society breastfeeding doesn’t make a difference because we do not live in a country were giving your child anything else but breast milk is dangerous. We have access to clean water, health and hygiene etc. He admitted that, the sad thing was, there was this indirect pressure by these pro breastfeeding associations for them to say and believe that it was better but nothing proves that it is except if you live in a third world country. This was huge over here, because for once an “authority” said that mothers had the choice, it wasn’t a wrong choice to breastfeed OR give formula. Funny enough, the pressures are coming off, clinics and Hospitals have almost given up on the breastfeeding fad and now and days the new “thing” is not getting ANY pain medication during birth because “it’s better for the baby”. (It’s especially better for the health system that has a huge deficit and is looking to cut cost everywhere).0 -
It doesn't matter if Disney stops advertising. Kids see that crap in the store and beg mommy to buy it or mommy sees the bright colors and health claims and thinks its kid food.
The only, ONLY thing that will ever help is for parents to educate themselves on what their kids should be eating.
On second though, I bet if you couldn't buy that crap with food stamps sales would plummet.
I'm not a fan of food stamps. They taste horrible.
It may sound insensitive but... these companies have a huge base of uneducated parents subsidized by the government. If all of a sudden the government teat was taken away and FS money could only be spent on food that meets certain nutritional standards, the food companies would follow.
Its insanity that things like the solution above are obvious to us but not to the people in power... Its criminal actually...0 -
Funny this topic was created just a few days after the equivalent of "Dateline" confronted two of the biggest food companies in the world about their labels. She asked them to justify why their health labels put in front of their products were misleading and manipulated so their products would look healthy. Most if not all of the interviewed people walked out on the reported when they realized she was asking though questions. They spoke about a law that was passed in the UK were the labels were changed so that the contents were more clear to the consumer. The principal is easy, it’s based on the “traffic light” logic : red, yellow and green labels. The more you have red labels, the more fat and sugar a product has, the more green labels the healthier it is etc. Easy. That was bad news for the big companies because things like the cereal you talk about in the topic would have almost all red labels on it. But no no. They did everything to stop the law from passing here in France, they won.0
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im going to be a lawyer soon (:0
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It may sound insensitive but... these companies have a huge base of uneducated parents subsidized by the government. If all of a sudden the government teat was taken away and FS money could only be spent on food that meets certain nutritional standards, the food companies would follow.
Generally There is no more education on nutrition in the purchaser of these items whether they are on public assistance or not... I just find it odd that, that was the base of your argument. I feel like it has no merit and is only used to convey your opinion that you think parents should only be able to buy what? Fresh produce, meats and grains in there natural form? Or the garbage but just the store brand? I don't see why the already under privileged shouldn't be able to buy general grocery items like anyone... they should be held to the bare minimum because its free to them?? I never get the no cereal or pop tarts for the poor or only the knock off.
Someone got 2.5 million????? I mean you can fortify anything with vitamins.. you can put vitamins in sugar and call it healthy. My concern is more for the general public those who are on fs or not, that think this stuff is healthy and they can have another serving. And for those who don't actually know what a serving is, 3/4 of a cup id not getting measured out... I think it should be illegal to have a serving listed as less than what a person would generally eat.
To the above poster maybe a little education on what would be better choices and how to make there dime go a little farther would be better than to leave a person ignorant and take from them. jmo0 -
Read the first few pages and fast forwarded to the last and I don’t know when exactly this post became a “breast feeding” against “formula” post but it surprising…
Anyway, I’m living in France and I must say that for years there was major breastfeeding pressures ( in the hospitals/clinics, by doctors and associations that are almost sects ). A year ago, a doctor actually had the guts to go on live television and contradict that information in a very intelligent way. He said that, yes, there’s nothing better than mother’s milk for the baby. But, no, in our society breastfeeding doesn’t make a difference because we do not live in a country were giving your child anything else but breast milk is dangerous. We have access to clean water, health and hygiene etc. He admitted that, the sad thing was, there was this indirect pressure by these pro breastfeeding associations for them to say and believe that it was better but nothing proves that it is except if you live in a third world country. This was huge over here, because for once an “authority” said that mothers had the choice, it wasn’t a wrong choice to breastfeed OR give formula. Funny enough, the pressures are coming off, clinics and Hospitals have almost given up on the breastfeeding fad and now and days the new “thing” is not getting ANY pain medication during birth because “it’s better for the baby”. (It’s especially better for the health system that has a huge deficit and is looking to cut cost everywhere).
Breastfeeding is a "fad'? And using the evidence of what a single doctor said, well, not exactly a strong argument. But regardless of that, according to you he *still* said that breastmilk is best, but there's nothing dangerous about not breastfeeding. So, if breastmilk is best except in rare circumstances and if a mother *can* breastfeed, then why wouldn't she and why shouldn't the healthcare industry promote it?
And the new "thing" is no pain medication during birth? Women have been giving birth since the beginning of humanity using either herbs and/or meditative-like techniques to manage pain rather than chemically concocted pain relievers and the traditional way is the "new thing"?0 -
Read the first few pages and fast forwarded to the last and I don’t know when exactly this post became a “breast feeding” against “formula” post but it surprising…
Anyway, I’m living in France and I must say that for years there was major breastfeeding pressures ( in the hospitals/clinics, by doctors and associations that are almost sects ). A year ago, a doctor actually had the guts to go on live television and contradict that information in a very intelligent way. He said that, yes, there’s nothing better than mother’s milk for the baby. But, no, in our society breastfeeding doesn’t make a difference because we do not live in a country were giving your child anything else but breast milk is dangerous. We have access to clean water, health and hygiene etc. He admitted that, the sad thing was, there was this indirect pressure by these pro breastfeeding associations for them to say and believe that it was better but nothing proves that it is except if you live in a third world country. This was huge over here, because for once an “authority” said that mothers had the choice, it wasn’t a wrong choice to breastfeed OR give formula. Funny enough, the pressures are coming off, clinics and Hospitals have almost given up on the breastfeeding fad and now and days the new “thing” is not getting ANY pain medication during birth because “it’s better for the baby”. (It’s especially better for the health system that has a huge deficit and is looking to cut cost everywhere).
Breastfeeding is a "fad'? And using the evidence of what a single doctor said, well, not exactly a strong argument. But regardless of that, according to you he *still* said that breastmilk is best, but there's nothing dangerous about not breastfeeding. So, if breastmilk is best except in rare circumstances and if a mother *can* breastfeed, then why wouldn't she and why shouldn't the healthcare industry promote it?
And the new "thing" is no pain medication during birth? Women have been giving birth since the beginning of humanity using either herbs and/or meditative-like techniques to manage pain rather than chemically concocted pain relievers and the traditional way is the "new thing"?
Hmm. I don't think breastfeeding could be considered a "fad," anymore than the wheel could be considered "cutting-edge technology."
Humans, as a species, have been breastfeeding for like... several years now.
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Science has proven breastfeeding, if you can, is best.
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It doesn't matter if Disney stops advertising. Kids see that crap in the store and beg mommy to buy it or mommy sees the bright colors and health claims and thinks its kid food.
The only, ONLY thing that will ever help is for parents to educate themselves on what their kids should be eating.
On second though, I bet if you couldn't buy that crap with food stamps sales would plummet.
I'm not a fan of food stamps. They taste horrible.
It may sound insensitive but... these companies have a huge base of uneducated parents subsidized by the government. If all of a sudden the government teat was taken away and FS money could only be spent on food that meets certain nutritional standards, the food companies would follow.
I agree. Food stamps should only be able to be used for fresh, raw meats, vegetables, fruit, nuts, seeds, etc.
No packaged breads, crackers, cereal, cookies, soda, processed foods (boxed or frozen). The only exception is frozen fruits and vegetables.0 -
Let me clarify certain things. Regarding the breastfeeding being a “fad” : Don’t know what has happened in the US regarding this, but, over here ( France ) for years some ( not all ) doctors would basically tell you that if you didn’t breastfeed you were putting your baby’s life on the line. Nurses in hospitals and clinics would make you understand that you didn’t have a choice, that if you didn’t succeed it was because you were “not well” or “didn’t really want it in the first place”. If you asked for the drugs to stop the milk , they would just plain leave you in the room and come back later for you to breastfeed. I’ve seen girlfriends breastfeed their children with a look of disgust mixed with discouragement. What I liked about this doctor (and since then others have had the balls to do the same) is that he didn’t point fingers, he didn’t say that, in our society, one method was wrong or better than the other. He made it very clear that there’s nothing better than mothers milk because it’s what nature intended but, today, where and how we live, it wasn’t a matter of life or death, therefore, just a matter of choice. One of the journalist even went as far as asking him if people who fed their children formula were killing their children (they got a big no and frightened look from him). They were just asking the questions everyone was thinking ( for those who live in France the show I’m talking about is “ les maternelles” one of the biggest parents ( or parents to be ) show in France.
I agree with FreeJenni : If you can and i might add, if you want to : It is best
This subject could go on and on. So yeah end of debate ( at least from me)0 -
Let me clarify certain things. Regarding the breastfeeding being a “fad” : Don’t know what has happened in the US regarding this, but, over here ( France ) for years some ( not all ) doctors would basically tell you that if you didn’t breastfeed you were putting your baby’s life on the line. Nurses in hospitals and clinics would make you understand that you didn’t have a choice, that if you didn’t succeed it was because you were “not well” or “didn’t really want it in the first place”. If you asked for the drugs to stop the milk , they would just plain leave you in the room and come back later for you to breastfeed. I’ve seen girlfriends breastfeed their children with a look of disgust mixed with discouragement. What I liked about this doctor (and since then others have had the balls to do the same) is that he didn’t point fingers, he didn’t say that, in our society, one method was wrong or better than the other. He made it very clear that there’s nothing better than mothers milk because it’s what nature intended but, today, where and how we live, it wasn’t a matter of life or death, therefore, just a matter of choice. One of the journalist even went as far as asking him if people who fed their children formula were killing their children (they got a big no and frightened look from him). They were just asking the questions everyone was thinking ( for those who live in France the show I’m talking about is “ les maternelles” one of the biggest parents ( or parents to be ) show in France.
I agree with FreeJenni : If you can and i might add, if you want to : It is best
This subject could go on and on. So yeah end of debate ( at least from me)
Technically speaking, this thread never had anything to do with breastfeeding in the first place. I know the OP personally. He's kind of an *kitten*.0 -
Let me clarify certain things. Regarding the breastfeeding being a “fad” : Don’t know what has happened in the US regarding this, but, over here ( France ) for years some ( not all ) doctors would basically tell you that if you didn’t breastfeed you were putting your baby’s life on the line. Nurses in hospitals and clinics would make you understand that you didn’t have a choice, that if you didn’t succeed it was because you were “not well” or “didn’t really want it in the first place”. If you asked for the drugs to stop the milk , they would just plain leave you in the room and come back later for you to breastfeed. I’ve seen girlfriends breastfeed their children with a look of disgust mixed with discouragement. What I liked about this doctor (and since then others have had the balls to do the same) is that he didn’t point fingers, he didn’t say that, in our society, one method was wrong or better than the other. He made it very clear that there’s nothing better than mothers milk because it’s what nature intended but, today, where and how we live, it wasn’t a matter of life or death, therefore, just a matter of choice. One of the journalist even went as far as asking him if people who fed their children formula were killing their children (they got a big no and frightened look from him). They were just asking the questions everyone was thinking ( for those who live in France the show I’m talking about is “ les maternelles” one of the biggest parents ( or parents to be ) show in France.
I agree with FreeJenni : If you can and i might add, if you want to : It is best
This subject could go on and on. So yeah end of debate ( at least from me)
Nobody has said in the thread that NOT breastfeeding makes you a terrible monster. It has been pointed out several times that there are circumstances which doesn't allow women to breastfeed. What you wrote is a problem with patient care, not the science.
Also there is a person in this thread calling peoples mothers A**holes for breastfeeding rather than using formula so I think you might have gotten mixed in with all that too
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Yeah I can't stand misleading labels. Like when its "virtually fat free" but the sugar content is way higher than average and as sugar is empty Cal, if you don't burn that its gonna turn to fat.
In Kellogs defence, they do taste nice and in my weaker moments I kinda like being lied to so I can indulge without the guilt-it's Prob not best for long term health though.0 -
Damn! another one! I kid I kid! good luck to you:drinker:im going to be a lawyer soon (:0 -
Regular hamburger meat would cost $35 per pound if water used by the meat industry wasn't subsidized by the US taxpayer. It would cost $89 for a pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was not subsidized.
Source: Robbins, John. Diet for a New America, HJ Kramer Inc, California 1987
Ready to get off the public teat, guys? Cause I'm not. I like meat.0 -
Oh yes. Anything that advertises itself for children as WITH ADDED CALCIUM always sets alarm bells ringing as it is invariably processed to SH** and full of fat.
Same with children's drinks: ADDED VITAMIN C! Yeah, and 500% of their daily sugar limit.
Don't get me started on formula milk for babies.0 -
And if breastfeeding is a fad, it's a fad both my grandmothers were into in the 1940s, my mother in the 60s and 70s, and I was in the 2000s. It's a fad apparently every single mammal on the planet has been into for millennia.
So a nice long lasting one. I'm sure dinosaurs would consider it really try-hard, though.0 -
lmao this reminds me of gummy candy and soda and the package will say 0 fat or fat free... I love when a package says fat free and its like 200 cals for 4 gummie bears lol... Also coke had white cans for Christmas and my co-worker was making an awful face with every sip and I asked her what was wrong and she said the machine gave me diet... I looked at her like she was nutso and said that's NOT DIET ITS JUST A WHITE CAN she said no it is diet look it has 0 fat... (lmao)I couldn't stop laughing I told her what soda has fat in it.. its basically just oil who want to drink an oily or thick soda... I mean I was rofl I felt so bad after but geesh to make a face with every sip and act like a regular coke was diet because of a can.. despite the taste really annoyed me...0
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What is with all the self-righteousness? The person that said pizza is unhealthy really made my cringe. Everything in moderation people. It's probably NOT healthy to eat every low fat, vegetarian, and whole wheat either. I bet most of you think cheese wiz is terrible for you? Read this:
http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2007/06/processed-foods-arent-real-food.html
Food is nutritious.0
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