So calories are calories, no matter what the food...
butterfli7o
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I'm sure this has been discussed before...but I wanted to see people's opinions (preferably people who've experienced the difference 
) When it comes to weight loss, I see a lot of people stressing healthy foods, proteins, greens, etc. and others who say simply a calorie is a calorie and it makes no difference if I eat 1,000 cals of chocolate or 1,000 cals of vegetables, if there's a deficit the results will be the same. But in your experience, did eating healthier (more proteins, vegetables, less simple carbs, etc) help you lose weight?
Edited to add, obviously I know healthy foods are better for me. I'm just trying to see if the healthier choices made a difference if the calorie amount was the same.
) When it comes to weight loss, I see a lot of people stressing healthy foods, proteins, greens, etc. and others who say simply a calorie is a calorie and it makes no difference if I eat 1,000 cals of chocolate or 1,000 cals of vegetables, if there's a deficit the results will be the same. But in your experience, did eating healthier (more proteins, vegetables, less simple carbs, etc) help you lose weight?Edited to add, obviously I know healthy foods are better for me. I'm just trying to see if the healthier choices made a difference if the calorie amount was the same.
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I wouldn't know, I've never been able to make myself eat that healthy. :laugh:
But seriously, I think that eating fruits and veggies helped me last a lot longer on a diet (and lose more weight because I was on it longer) because I got more volume of food for less calories, and I felt better because I was actually getting nutrients. I didn't feel as hungry. As for whether or not they helped me lose more weight specifically because they were better calories, I'm not sure. I'm generally of the mindset that a calorie is a calorie, because eating more of the healthy foods doesn't really seem to make me lose any faster.0 -
Yes, it helped me.
But mostly it helped me because I found proteins and complex carbohydrates to be more satisfying and I could get away with eating fewer calories in a day with less hunger and more energy. Balancing my intake of fats, proteins, and carbs (and in my case converting over to a "snacking habit" where I eat very small meals frequently) really helped me work with a deficit calorie budget.
But none of this has anything against the "a calorie is a calorie" crowd. If you ate calories to feed your body at a deficit, you will lose weight. It may not be terribly healthy for certain sources of calories if you're missing nutrients your body needs, etc, but a calorie is pretty much a calorie.
Health and weight loss are related, but separate, subjects. You eat at a specific deficit for weight loss. You exercise and eat healthful foods in proper proportion to increase health. An overweight person can be very healthy, and someone who is not overweight can be extremely unhealthy.0 -
After about six months in I definitely noticed a difference. If I had any "junk" (particularly sugar), even if it was within my calories, my weight loss would stall. Once I cut that stuff out my weight started dropping again.0
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Everything in moderation. Not one or the other...not all or nothing.. Stay under your calorie goal.........eat 1g protein / 1LB of LBM.......eat .3g fat / LB.0
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Healthier foods seem to be generally lower in calories (especially fruits and veggies) so it's easier to stay full if I'm eating those instead of higher calorie junk food (chocolate, fast food). I can have 2 cups of lettuce mix for like 20 calories or I can have a McDonald's Breakfast Burrito for 300 calories. Staying full longer means less snacking and overeating so I'll say it does matter, but if you can stick under your calorie goal with junk food the results will probably be similar.0
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I think it makes a big difference in energy level, complexion, and even peace of mind0
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Everything in moderation. Not one or the other...not all or nothing.. Stay under your calorie goal.........eat 1g protein / 1LB of LBM.......eat .3g fat / LB.
Jacwhite...can you tell me how I figure out my LBM?0 -
All calories are not equal. The healthy ones help me lose weight and let me eat A LOT. The sugar and carb ones don't. They just make me starve and I plateau.0
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I lost about 15 lbs last year - easily and steady. Always ate over my 1200 net (not intentionally- just didn't have any self control) and was still hungry. Looking back at my diary I ate like s**t! After gaining everything back I restarted this year. It's taking longer but I'm eating more (necessary for me to continue to lose, otherwise I stall) and eating better foods. I haven't noticed anything different in my appearance but I'm more satisfied and I'm sure it will be easier for me to maintain in the long run.0
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if you're eating lots of animal protein and veggies, i wouldnt be so concerned with how many calories you are consuming. but, that being said, usually those things aren't as high in calories as processed foods anyways.
my theory is if you dont stop eating the junk, when you're done "dieting" (meaning eating at your reduced calories per MFP), you will just fall back into the bad eating habbits again and gain the weight back. this especially concerns me since i have SUCH a struggle with eating good vs eating convenient but within calorie allowance.0 -
Calories are calories are calories and what you eat will make no difference in your TDEE and intake equation... HOWEVER, the types of calories you eat have EVERYTHING to do with body composition (fat %age vs. lean body mass).
That's why you see people who can eat whatever they want and not gain weight and eat fast food and empty calories are usually skinnyfat, meaning no muscle definition and high body fat to lean mass ratio.0 -
Everything in moderation. Not one or the other...not all or nothing.. Stay under your calorie goal.........eat 1g protein / 1LB of LBM.......eat .3g fat / LB.
Seriously. Moderation. Trying to lose weight on just cheeseburgers under your cals is possible, but not great. And from what I can tell on MFP "clean eating" 100% of the time just makes you a miserable human being.
So find foods you like to eat that fit your cals, get your protein, fats are not the devil, neither are carbs. You'll be fine.
It worked for me.0 -
Honestly, I would say no. I do eat healthy because I want to be healthy, but when I was younger I stayed thin by simply eating less junk whenever I put on a few. I haven't eaten junk food on a regular basis for years so now that I'm older it's possible it would make more of a difference, but I doubt it.
I do like that I can eat more food overall with healthy food. I can remember eating only one piece of pizza and a Snicker bar all day long and just ignoring the hunger pangs when I was young and trying to lose. For those same calories I can eat a lot more healthy food.0 -
More protein, more veggies, more fiber, more fruit, less simple carbs and less fast food ultra-processed crap helps keep me fuller, longer, so yes, it does help me lose weight. But I'm still ordering pizza once every two weeks, and no one's gonna stop me.0
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Garbage in, garbage out. Same deficit? Yes. Same nutrition and good health? No.0
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I think it makes a big difference in energy level, complexion, and even peace of mind
^^^This!!!!! I just overall feel so much better physically and mentally when I eat healthier!! Good food fuels my workouts and my brain!0 -
Mathematically yes, a calorie is a calorie no matter what food it comes from. Stay under your TDEE and you will lose weight regardless of food - barring some medical condition or the occasional alien implant.
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There is much more to what goes on with food in your body than just the energy/adipose storage cycles. Different types of foods can influence all sorts of things like hormonal balances, propensity to certain illnesses, organ functions, tissue and bone architecture, not to mention satiety, appetite and mood. So in that respect, no, not all foods are created equal.0 -
Everything in moderation. Not one or the other...not all or nothing.. Stay under your calorie goal.........eat 1g protein / 1LB of LBM.......eat .3g fat / LB.
Seriously. Moderation. Trying to lose weight on just cheeseburgers under your cals is possible, but not great. And from what I can tell on MFP "clean eating" 100% of the time just makes you a miserable human being.
So find foods you like to eat that fit you cals, get your protein, fats are not the devil, neither are carbs. You'll be fine.
It worked for me.
mmm cheeseburger0 -
Years ago b4 I became ill & gained weight, I was 105 lbs soaking wet. But I lived on peanut butter nabs & coke for lunch & my diet lacked good, nutrient dense food overall. The result? I became severely anemic & passed out at work. When I fainted, I knocked myself unconscious because I hit my head...very hard....on a table.
Yes, keeping your calories in check will help you lose/maintain your weight. But try to eat nutritious foods more often than not & you'll be healthier for it.0 -
Calories are calories, but what else can we say about a food?
You are what you eat.
And if you seek optimal health, what you eat surely matters. Junk food will give you junk health - even if it's within your daily calorie goal. Sorry, it matters big time.
Good Luck!:flowerforyou:0 -
It makes a difference to me.
I'm trying to see my food as fuel to work my hardest and my best. If I consumed a 1400 daily calorie allowance of fast food/chips/ candy/soda etc, all I would want to do is go to sleep at the end of the day.
Also, I overeat. Consuming high salt, high sugar, high fat foods, even in limited quantities makes me crave it more.
It might be the same for some people, but it simply isn't for me.0 -
Everything in moderation. Not one or the other...not all or nothing.. Stay under your calorie goal.........eat 1g protein / 1LB of LBM.......eat .3g fat / LB.
Jacwhite...can you tell me how I figure out my LBM?
There are a couple of ways.....You can use a handheld device/scale that measures it using BIA. This is not very accurate but will give a general idea. Another option is body fat calipers.....A lot more accurate but up to the measurer to get correct readings. You can also find on-line calculators which use measurements from different areas to give you a pretty good estimate. The last option is to have a scan done......DEXA/underwater weighing etc. If you need further help in trying to estimate yours let me know.0 -
When I started MFP and began logging my food, I realized that I really wasn't eating that much quantity-wise, but the food was packed with fat and calories! Once I started eating healthy food, my diary of foods got longer and longer and the amount of food went through the roof. It was actually hard to eat enough calories at first because I wasn't used to eating so MUCH food
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You're right about saying calories are calories, no matter what the food but , I'd say there is a big difference in quality and nutrition. If you eat junk food vs. healthy food, you'd probably gain weight and not be as healthy and like me, you'd still be hungry. Sodium is also a factor. Like I said earlier, I was eating high calorie food vs healthy and I was up to 179lbs! Now that I'm eating 'more' food and maybe even the same amt of calories of healthy food, I've lost nearly 40lbs. I also exercise a lot more so it's not just about food.0 -
At the end of the day, it is about more than just calories. If all you want to do is lose weight, sure, eat whatever you want within your calorie allotment. If you want to get healthy, eat foods low in saturated/trans fats, sodium, cholesterol and sugar. Eat foods that are high in fibre, healthy fats, protein and complex carbs and hydrate your body appropriately. Stay away from chemically processed foods. Just my two cents.0
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I absolutely notice a difference if I eat the same amount of calories in good food or junk. My weight just stalls out, or increases because of sodium too.
So while technically the answer might be a calorie is a calorie, I don't really believe in the real world that anyone who has paid attention knows that there is a huge difference.0 -
Personally, I feel fuller on the healthier stuff. If I eat poorly I'm hungry a lot faster than with the good stuff. I think sodium and fat content have a lot to do with that.0
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I am a strict calorie counter. I definitely incorporate lots of vegetables and fruits into my nutrition, but I do not limit any foods. If I want an angus hamburger with french fries, I will eat it, but I just ensure that I don't go over my allotted calories for the day. And I am losing weight this way. :-)0
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Yeah I find it a lot easier to control my portions eating healthy. Plus the hormone response from eating junk food. But cutting it out means I crave it less, and I don't have to try so damned hard not to finish a pack of chips all in one sitting.0
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Eating the healthier foods give me a lot more energy than when I eat junk! I agree with eating the things you like within moderation- this is how i have lost my weight. I haven't given up anything, just changed up how much and how often I eat the "bad" foods. 0
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Mathematically yes, a calorie is a calorie no matter what food it comes from. Stay under your TDEE and you will lose weight regardless of food - barring some medical condition or the occasional alien implant.
However
There is much more to what goes on with food in your body than just the energy/adipose storage cycles. Different types of foods can influence all sorts of things like hormonal balances, propensity to certain illnesses, organ functions, tissue and bone architecture, not to mention satiety, appetite and mood. So in that respect, no, not all foods are created equal.
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Also, off topic, I just started watching Firefly on netflix. SPACE COWBOYS = BEST IDEA EVER Who knew? (It's in his ticker.)0
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