How do you "know" the right running shoes?
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I went to a running store and got fitted. I am running in Nike Zoom Structures and really like them. However, I bought a second pair and they don't fit quite as well. So, I started looking for other shoes. I need stability shoes and frankly, I wanted something prettier LOL. Yeah, I know it doesn't matter...except it kind of does.
I ordered a pair of Brooks Pure Cadence and Saucony ProGrid Mirage 2. Both marked as 'performance stability'. Basically supportive shoes that are lighter than the Nikes (my Nike's feel good but are quite heavy). I tried them on when they arrived and they both felt OK. The PureCadence feel weird, but not a bad weird, just different. Tonight, I ran with both of them on the treadmill. Around half a mile in each pair. Both felt pretty good while running. Now though, a few hours later, my calves feel kind of tight and my shins are ever so slightly achy. Now, I don't normally run two days in a row (it usually leads to shin pain for me) and I did run last night. So not sure if it was the shoes or not. My first pair of running shoes (that I just randomly picked) were fairly painful right from the start. Neither of these pair are.
I bought them from Road Runner Sports, so I can return them within 90 days. But I guess I just don't know how to tell if a shoe feels right to me without running a few miles in them. How can YOU tell? Any tips? When I got fitted for my Nike's, there were two other pairs I liked - a pair of Brooks and a pair of Saucony (though I don't remember which models). I couldn't decide between the three, so I picked the prettiest pair LOL.
I ordered a pair of Brooks Pure Cadence and Saucony ProGrid Mirage 2. Both marked as 'performance stability'. Basically supportive shoes that are lighter than the Nikes (my Nike's feel good but are quite heavy). I tried them on when they arrived and they both felt OK. The PureCadence feel weird, but not a bad weird, just different. Tonight, I ran with both of them on the treadmill. Around half a mile in each pair. Both felt pretty good while running. Now though, a few hours later, my calves feel kind of tight and my shins are ever so slightly achy. Now, I don't normally run two days in a row (it usually leads to shin pain for me) and I did run last night. So not sure if it was the shoes or not. My first pair of running shoes (that I just randomly picked) were fairly painful right from the start. Neither of these pair are.
I bought them from Road Runner Sports, so I can return them within 90 days. But I guess I just don't know how to tell if a shoe feels right to me without running a few miles in them. How can YOU tell? Any tips? When I got fitted for my Nike's, there were two other pairs I liked - a pair of Brooks and a pair of Saucony (though I don't remember which models). I couldn't decide between the three, so I picked the prettiest pair LOL.
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Running shoes are a hugely individual choice and TO SOME EXTENT it is a case of trial and error.
Well done for getting properly fitted. What did this gait analysis involve? Did you run a a treadie and got filmed? Do you usually run on a treadmill? The only reason I'm asking is because many people run differently outside than on a treadmill and that can make quite a difference.
Also do you heel strike or land on your mid or forefoot? Pronation isn't exclusive to heel strikers and there are different types of pronation, for example forfoot pronation / rear foot pronation etc.
Other factors to take into consideration, other than gait / pronation / supination etc, is the mileage to want to do in them. There are high-mileage training shoes, which should be good for 400-500 miles in a pair. Then there are much lighter build "racing" shoes... people who race a lot often have two pairs, one for racing one for training.
Another factor is the surface you usually run on. I gave up on concrete and I now run primarily on trails, so that requires a different shoe.
The lacing can make a differece. Asics for example... I love Asics and usually get on very well with them as they have a narrow toe box and I have slim feet. But one year they decided to give all the new releases asymetric lacing systems and I hated them. Now they've gone back to standard lacing on most of their models.
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I wasn't running on a treadmill for the gait analysis. Basically, I took my old shoes in, told them the issues I was having and that I have flat feet, and they picked a few pair out for me to try. Then they looked at how I ran in them on a short track in the store (really short LOL). I tend to overpronate but I have a really good mid-foot strike due to my short, choppy stride LOL. I normally run on asphalt outdoors. I was running on a treadmill last night to test the shoes without wearing them outside. The distance I want them to go is far less important to me - I'll buy new shoes sooner if the shoes are great. I probably run 9.5 to 12 miles a week but also wear them for occasional walking and cycling.
The Brooks have the asymetrical lacing - I had never seen that before LOL.
I was surprised I ended up with Nike's the first time. They are normally too narrow for me, but the Zoom Structure has a really wide fit.0 -
I have a pair of the Saucony Progrid Mirage and they are my favorite pair for under 13 miles. For anything more than that I go with Brookes because of their stability.
I agree that it is a bit of trial and error. Some people swear by Asics but I bought a couple of pairs and started to have knee pain, which stopped as soon as I went back to my Brookes. I also thought I would try the new Newtons since I am a sucker for hype and the latest craze. After trying to like them for 70+ miles I decided they were a no- go for me.
When you find one you like buy a couple of pairs and rotate them so you get more wear out of them. Because the manufacturers end up making changes to your favorite shoe all the time, then you've got to start all over again. I keep my local running store in business ;-)0 -
The pain you felt was probably from the Pure shoe. They have a lot less cushion and a lower heel/toe drop than any of the other shoes you have worn. They would take some getting used to.
As for finding the right pair, you are going about it the right way. When you find the right shoe, you will just know. When you run, you won't be thinking about the shoes and how they feel on your feet. They will become an extension of your run. When you DO find this shoe, buy as many pair as you can reasonably afford and have room to store, because they WILL change it. I ran in Mizuno Wave Rider 11's for a long time (6 pair). Then the 12's came out, hated them. Bought a pair of 13's. Loved them, better than any other shoe I have run in. I went through 10 pair before I couldn't find them anymore. I bought 4 pair at once so that I would have them for a while. Now, I'm back to trying to find THEE shoe, just like you are. I have 3 pair that I am test driving and I keep comparing them to the Wave Rider 13's and they just don't stack up. The Brooks Launch is the best of the 3, but it's still not the perfect shoe. It's a journey.0 -
Agree with Carson that even if you find the perfect shoe, they do a new release of the same model and something is just not right....
I had worn Asics Kayanos for years and one release was completely different. They had completely changed the heel. Hate it when they do that. I've done the same of buying 3 pairs when a shoe is perfect. :bigsmile:0 -
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You'll just know lol. I had such a problem finding something that felt comfy after a cpl days of wearing them. I found love with Mizuno. go to their website and they have a detailed test to find out which of their shoes is right for you. I bought wave rider 8s which they recommended and haven't regretted them not one bit. Love them- made for my feet! (nearly flat turning slightly inwards)0
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You'll just know lol. I had such a problem finding something that felt comfy after a cpl days of wearing them. I found love with Mizuno. go to their website and they have a detailed test to find out which of their shoes is right for you. I bought wave rider 8s which they recommended and haven't regretted them not one bit. Love them- made for my feet! (nearly flat turning slightly inwards)
The Mizunos I have tried were all too narrow. Darn wide feet LOL.0 -
You'll just know lol. I had such a problem finding something that felt comfy after a cpl days of wearing them. I found love with Mizuno. go to their website and they have a detailed test to find out which of their shoes is right for you. I bought wave rider 8s which they recommended and haven't regretted them not one bit. Love them- made for my feet! (nearly flat turning slightly inwards)
And that just shows that all rules are there to be broken. As a flat footed overpronator, most running shops would propose you wear a stability shoe, yet you get on well with the M Wave Riders, despite the fact that they're technically neutral.0 -
I have a road runner sports near me and as I change I have new analysis I also have at least 3 pairs at a time and surprissingly different brands and types ie regular and support and for me it is about feel and comfort Road runner is great with the 90 days I had one pair of their insets and 1 pair of shoes I returned at different times and never any comment but a thank you for being a customer
but i repeat as my weight changes so does my feet width etc so I keep checking stride because beleive me you run differently at 300 pounds than at 250 or 225 etc0 -
I have a road runner sports near me and as I change I have new analysis I also have at least 3 pairs at a time and surprissingly different brands and types ie regular and support and for me it is about feel and comfort Road runner is great with the 90 days I had one pair of their insets and 1 pair of shoes I returned at different times and never any comment but a thank you for being a customer
but i repeat as my weight changes so does my feet width etc so I keep checking stride because beleive me you run differently at 300 pounds than at 250 or 225 etc
Yes, they are super nice at Road Runner. I don't have one near me, but have returned things via mail before and they were SO nice when I called. That's surprisingly hard to find these days. So maybe I should just take them both on a training run and see what happens LOL.
I do agree too about the weight changes. My feet have gotten about 3/4 of a size smaller. They're still wide, but less wide and I'm finding more and more regular width shoes that are wide enough. I was fitted just 3 months ago, but maybe I should do it again and see if anything has changed. I do run better now so who knows.0 -
...I bought wave rider 8s which they recommended and haven't regretted them not one bit. Love them- made for my feet! (nearly flat turning slightly inwards)
Are you sure they are the Wave Rider? They are up to version 15 right now. I started running in the 11's about 5 years ago. The 8's would have been out like 10 years ago. The Inspire and the Nirvana are both version 8 right now.0 -
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even when i have been professionally fitted, sometimes the shoes take geting used to, especially if there is an insert or something correcting an imbalance. Remember, our bodies really do compensate for our weaknesses and when you go and try to correct it, sometimes our bodies can throw a hissy fit.
On a side note, I normally switch my shoe assignment about 2 - 3 x a year just do to changes in my muscle usage, etc. We are moving targets.0 -
I LOVE my Sauconys. I tried some New Balance and some Adidas, but they just didn't fit right. Even for a novice runner like myself. I swear it's my shoes that has allowed me to progress as well as I have this past month!!0
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Shoes are going to be different for each people. I always have to remind my customers that. Well certain ones work for one person they will not work for you. It may take time for you to find your most perfect pair. I usually recommend customers who do not know try on multiple brands to see what they like. If a shoe feel weird to you chances are it always will. Breaking in a shoe just means that the insole gets you foot shape which usually take wearing them for several hours over a few days. That weird feeling from the one pair may be linked to the soreness. I usually recommend runners to asics, mizunos, and brooks. I have several from adidas, nike, reebok, and saucony that I recommend as well. It all comes down to what feels right. Places that sell sport sneakers will usually accept the return if you say that they caused you pain or discomfort, but check your stores policy.
be careful when it comes to nike running shoes some of there shoes labeled as runners are just to look pretty but I do love the zoom structures for runners.
Keep trying shoes and if possible get multis of the ones you like because the perfect shoe is hard to come by and you will always compare any others to it.
also to keep shoes in good condition alternate what sneakers you use every day to give the shoes 24 hours to reshape0 -
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i went to a running store. I have saucony pro grid 4 i think.0
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FWIW, I've noticed in the more stability shoes, they tend to be less cute. : /
I run in Saucony Hurricane 14s and I love them. And they are coming out in black and pink this season so yay!0 -
FWIW, I've noticed in the more stability shoes, they tend to be less cute. : /
I run in Saucony Hurricane 14s and I love them. And they are coming out in black and pink this season so yay!
I've noticed that too and it irks me LOL. Just because I have frankenstein feet doesn't mean I don't like pretty shoes LOL.0 -
I have flat feet, but I wear VFFs and LOVE them
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I wear vibrams. I tried on several of the models, but once I put on a pair of komodos, I practically shoe-gasm'd. It was like there was a God, and he had made this shoe specifically for my feet.
I think that's how you know. When you find a shoe and in your deepest soul you know it's the one for you. It's a gut feeling.
Just finished my first Half marathon in those aforementioned komodos, and I'm looking to purchase my next pair.
ETA: I have wide, flat, duck feet. I'm a flat footed runner and waaaaay over pronate. Thought I would mention that. I torched through the ball of my komodos in about 6 months (flat footed landing, but more toward the ball)0 -
Then they looked at how I ran in them on a short track in the store (really short LOL).
Next time you see someone running, try to watch their feet. You will quickly realize that while you can get some information about their general gait (e.g. bad heel striking will be glaringly obvious) you can't really tell much about how their feet move, etc.. This is my nice way of saying that having someone do a "gait analysis" and tell you you pronate, or don't, etc. based on watching you run is pretty much complete BS.0 -
I wear vibrams. I tried on several of the models, but once I put on a pair of komodos, I practically shoe-gasm'd. It was like there was a God, and he had made this shoe specifically for my feet.
LOL @ shoegasm!! :laugh: :laugh:
I just bought some Komodos yesterday, so I am so glad you posted that. I had Vibram Sprints years ago when they first came out... then killed a pair of KSOs and a pair of Bikilas and just ordered these cos they were so well reviewed on Barefoot Runner.0 -
I swear by Brooks. Their shoes are such good quality that they hold up well for a long time over extended miles. I, too, have a pair of the Pure Cadence. Have yet to take them out running yet though. I've been breaking in my new Brooks Trance's and I love them.
I would bet that your pain was probably caused from running too soon after your last run. I always give myself a day off inbetween runs to let the muscles heal up a bit. Also, if you've been running in the wrong shoes prior to the Brooks, your muscles may be accustomed to the "wrong way" and are putting up a bit of a fight. I learned that lesson the hard way. Wore my Nike AirMax's for a 3 mile run and they felt amazing...when I tried to run in my Brooks a few days later, I couldn't even go a half mile...I managed to screw everything up by running in the wrong shoes (the Nikes), so I had to take a few days off altogether and then start over with the RIGHT shoes. LoL.
It could also be that you just need to break the shoes in. Give them a couple weeks and see how they do and how your shins feel. I'm assuming that you've been running before, and that you're not new to it, right? If you're new to running, that opens up a door for a bunch of other things that could be going on...0 -
Then they looked at how I ran in them on a short track in the store (really short LOL).
Next time you see someone running, try to watch their feet. You will quickly realize that while you can get some information about their general gait (e.g. bad heel striking will be glaringly obvious) you can't really tell much about how their feet move, etc.. This is my nice way of saying that having someone do a "gait analysis" and tell you you pronate, or don't, etc. based on watching you run is pretty much complete BS.
You watch the triangles on the back of the shoe. It's not that hard to tell if they remain pointing straight up or if they deviate to the inside or outside.0 -
Next time you see someone running, try to watch their feet. You will quickly realize that while you can get some information about their general gait (e.g. bad heel striking will be glaringly obvious) you can't really tell much about how their feet move, etc.. This is my nice way of saying that having someone do a "gait analysis" and tell you you pronate, or don't, etc. based on watching you run is pretty much complete BS.
Agreed. I had gait scanning done once. That was quite funky. You run across a pressure mat and a computer shows how your foot moves across the gain cycle and where the force and pressure moves etc.
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