Burn The Fat Feed The Muscle (BFFM)

rosawash
rosawash Posts: 26 Member
edited December 24 in Health and Weight Loss
Is anyone familiar with Burn The Fat Feed The Muscle created by Tom Venuto? I bought the ebook and have heard nothing but great things about it. It's not a fad diet it's a lifestyle and everything I've read so far makes sense. I'm just curious if anyone on MFP is following this plan, and if so how is it working for you?

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  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    I am a little familiar with him as I'm subscribed to his e newsletter. But not his book. I'd be interested on what someone has to say.
  • gungho66
    gungho66 Posts: 284 Member
    I have read the book but need to read it more in depth, it's about nutrition and exercise and how to meal plan . I have incorporated it into my lifestyle and hope to do more of it as i am just about done losing weight. Tom is very insightful and has many good ideas, like anything its more about how much your willing to put into it.
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    I like Venuto. I think I read his published book.
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    I get the email newseletter.

    This was one of his that didn't go down well here.

    http://www.burnthefat.com/metabolic_damage.html
  • Jeebs71
    Jeebs71 Posts: 41
    Hey

    Thanks for posting about this. After reading your post I Googled it and have now signed up for it and just downloaded the ebooks. I will start reading tonight and hopefully will see results in the 49 days.

    Feel free to add me if you want to check progress with each other.

    Cheers
    Julie
  • jg627
    jg627 Posts: 1,221 Member
    I hate the idea of having to pay for information unless it's a book I want on my bookshelf.
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    I hate the idea of having to pay for information unless it's a book I want on my bookshelf.

    the e-mails are free.
  • rosawash
    rosawash Posts: 26 Member
    It's alot of information to take in but it's very informative, and a good resource to refer back to time and time again. I'm planning on following the BFFM plan starting next week, and I will let you all know how it works for me. One thing I like about Tom is I notice he doesn't push taking a whole lot of different supplements and fat burners. He believes in getting results the hard earned way through eating unprocessed foods and working out which is how it should be.
  • rosawash
    rosawash Posts: 26 Member
    I hate the idea of having to pay for information unless it's a book I want on my bookshelf.

    You can get alot of free information just by subscribing to his newsletters which is free. The ebook is just more indepth with alot more information, but I've also gained alot of knowledge from reading his newsletters which lead me to eventually purchase the ebook.
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    I get the email newseletter.

    This was one of his that didn't go down well here.

    http://www.burnthefat.com/metabolic_damage.html

    Thanks for posting. I'm curious-- Which camp's feathers got ruffled? It seemed like a balanced, factual take on the starvation mode issue.
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    I get the email newseletter.

    This was one of his that didn't go down well here.

    http://www.burnthefat.com/metabolic_damage.html

    Thanks for posting. I'm curious-- Which camp's feathers got ruffled? It seemed like a balanced, factual take on the starvation mode issue.

    The one's that don't believe in it.

    I do prefer the term adaptive thermogenesis, but it's a bt of a mouthful!

    Edit:

    Actually it was the metabolism boosting tips that caused the arguments too - the "eat lot's of small meals" etc.
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    is anyone here a member of his inner circle?

    I want to read the article entitled - The New Rules of Cutting Calories: What is the "Real" Ideal Calorie Deficit? - but need to be subscribed.

    https://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/login.cfm?hpage=449.cfm
  • TauTheBull
    TauTheBull Posts: 96
    I tried the plan and absolutely loved it!
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    is anyone here a member of his inner circle?

    I want to read the article entitled - The New Rules of Cutting Calories: What is the "Real" Ideal Calorie Deficit? - but need to be subscribed.

    https://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/login.cfm?hpage=449.cfm

    I'd like to read that, too, so I went hunting. I noticed on his site he has a pic of the International Journal of Obesity next to that article. I checked the college library and he's never been published in any journal that I can see. But he might've been referring to an article that was published in that journal.

    http://www.abcarticledirectory.com/Article/3500-Calories--A-Pound-of-Fat-or-Six-Pounds-Of-Muscle-/84896

    Here's Venuto's deficit recs from that one:

    "You can still use the standard calorie formulas to figure out how much you should eat, and you can use a 500-1000 calorie per day deficit (below maintenance) as a generic guideline to figure where to set your calories to lose one or two pounds per week respectively (at least that works "on paper" anyway).

    Even better however, you could use this info to fine tune your caloric deficit using a percentage method and also base your deficit on your starting body fat level, to get a much more personalized and effective approach:

    15-20% below maintenance calories = conservative deficit

    20-25% below maintenance calories = moderate deficit

    25-30% below maintenance calories = aggressive deficit

    31-40% below maintenance calories = very aggressive deficit (risky)

    50%+ below maintenance calories = semi starvation/starvation (potentially dangerous and unhealthy)

    (Note: According to exercise physiologists Katch & Mcardle, the average female between the ages of 23 and 50 has a maintenance level of about 2000-2100 calories per day and the average male about 2700-2900 calories per day)

    Usually, we would suggest starting with a conservative deficit of around 15-20% below maintenance. Based on this research, however, we see that there can be a big difference between lean and overweight people in how many calories they can or should cut.

    If you have very high body fat to begin with, the typical rule of thumb on calorie deficits may underestimate the deficit required to lose a pound. It may also be too conservative, and you can probably use a more aggressive deficit safely without as much worry about muscle loss or metabolic slowdown."
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    is anyone here a member of his inner circle?

    I want to read the article entitled - The New Rules of Cutting Calories: What is the "Real" Ideal Calorie Deficit? - but need to be subscribed.

    https://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/login.cfm?hpage=449.cfm

    I'd like to read that, too, so I went hunting. I noticed on his site he has a pic of the International Journal of Obesity next to that article. I checked the college library and he's never been published in any journal that I can see. But he might've been referring to an article that was published in that journal.

    http://www.abcarticledirectory.com/Article/3500-Calories--A-Pound-of-Fat-or-Six-Pounds-Of-Muscle-/84896

    Here's Venuto's deficit recs from that one:

    "You can still use the standard calorie formulas to figure out how much you should eat, and you can use a 500-1000 calorie per day deficit (below maintenance) as a generic guideline to figure where to set your calories to lose one or two pounds per week respectively (at least that works "on paper" anyway).

    Even better however, you could use this info to fine tune your caloric deficit using a percentage method and also base your deficit on your starting body fat level, to get a much more personalized and effective approach:

    15-20% below maintenance calories = conservative deficit

    20-25% below maintenance calories = moderate deficit

    25-30% below maintenance calories = aggressive deficit

    31-40% below maintenance calories = very aggressive deficit (risky)

    50%+ below maintenance calories = semi starvation/starvation (potentially dangerous and unhealthy)

    (Note: According to exercise physiologists Katch & Mcardle, the average female between the ages of 23 and 50 has a maintenance level of about 2000-2100 calories per day and the average male about 2700-2900 calories per day)

    Usually, we would suggest starting with a conservative deficit of around 15-20% below maintenance. Based on this research, however, we see that there can be a big difference between lean and overweight people in how many calories they can or should cut.

    If you have very high body fat to begin with, the typical rule of thumb on calorie deficits may underestimate the deficit required to lose a pound. It may also be too conservative, and you can probably use a more aggressive deficit safely without as much worry about muscle loss or metabolic slowdown."


    Thanks - nothing new in there then.

    I've read that one before as i remember laughing at the "dunces cap" reference. :laugh:
  • Bobby_Clerici
    Bobby_Clerici Posts: 1,828 Member
    It's simple.
    Eat nutritionally dense foods.
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    I found this one good too,

    http://davfitfitnessforum.forumotion.com/t56-muscle-retaining-factor-1-severity-of-calorie-deficit-by-tom-venuto-a-trusted-friend
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    I kind of like his idea of 50% or more below TDEE is where it gets potentially dangerous. That should remove people's fears about BMR, unless they're working out a ton.
  • AnotherJenn
    AnotherJenn Posts: 62 Member
    I was curious and thought I'd get a sample to the book from Amazon and it's not available...how has anyone gotten an ebook version of the book? Nook doesn't have it either.
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
    It's sold on his web site. It's not published. He does have some published books, though I don't see them in Kindle form. But your library might have them.

    http://www.fitren.com/reviews/burnthefatreview.shtml
  • AnotherJenn
    AnotherJenn Posts: 62 Member
    Thanks.
  • r1ghtpath
    r1ghtpath Posts: 701 Member
    i get his free stuff, the emails, newsletter stuff...... i like reading it :-)
  • rosawash
    rosawash Posts: 26 Member
    is anyone here a member of his inner circle?

    I want to read the article entitled - The New Rules of Cutting Calories: What is the "Real" Ideal Calorie Deficit? - but need to be subscribed.

    https://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/login.cfm?hpage=449.cfm

    I'd like to read that, too, so I went hunting. I noticed on his site he has a pic of the International Journal of Obesity next to that article. I checked the college library and he's never been published in any journal that I can see. But he might've been referring to an article that was published in that journal.

    http://www.abcarticledirectory.com/Article/3500-Calories--A-Pound-of-Fat-or-Six-Pounds-Of-Muscle-/84896

    Here's Venuto's deficit recs from that one:

    "You can still use the standard calorie formulas to figure out how much you should eat, and you can use a 500-1000 calorie per day deficit (below maintenance) as a generic guideline to figure where to set your calories to lose one or two pounds per week respectively (at least that works "on paper" anyway).

    Even better however, you could use this info to fine tune your caloric deficit using a percentage method and also base your deficit on your starting body fat level, to get a much more personalized and effective approach:

    15-20% below maintenance calories = conservative deficit

    20-25% below maintenance calories = moderate deficit

    25-30% below maintenance calories = aggressive deficit

    31-40% below maintenance calories = very aggressive deficit (risky)

    50%+ below maintenance calories = semi starvation/starvation (potentially dangerous and unhealthy)

    (Note: According to exercise physiologists Katch & Mcardle, the average female between the ages of 23 and 50 has a maintenance level of about 2000-2100 calories per day and the average male about 2700-2900 calories per day)

    Usually, we would suggest starting with a conservative deficit of around 15-20% below maintenance. Based on this research, however, we see that there can be a big difference between lean and overweight people in how many calories they can or should cut.

    If you have very high body fat to begin with, the typical rule of thumb on calorie deficits may underestimate the deficit required to lose a pound. It may also be too conservative, and you can probably use a more aggressive deficit safely without as much worry about muscle loss or metabolic slowdown."

    I'm a member of his innercircle and I love it. It's constantly updated with knew information, and I love reading the articles.
  • TheNewDodge
    TheNewDodge Posts: 607 Member
    I can't maintain a 6-meal per day routine, but what I do like about his book is the goal setting tactics!
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    Rosawash, are you able to access this article?

    https://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/login.cfm?hpage=449.cfm
  • linda1243
    linda1243 Posts: 166
    I know it's an old fashioned concept, but there is always the library if you don't want to pay.
  • ladyraven68
    ladyraven68 Posts: 2,003 Member
    I know it's an old fashioned concept, but there is always the library if you don't want to pay.

    Nice idea, but I believe it's an ebook only. not available in paper format
  • laurenleekong
    laurenleekong Posts: 2 Member
    I've incorporated his theories into my training and have seen nothing but steady great results. Coming from someone who's tried to lose the belly fat for years, it's a sound plan and has all the info you'll ever need. The only thing I had never done before was apply dedication and commitment to it. The only way it works! Do it.

    Laurie
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