Reduced Calories Still the Key to Weight Loss, per NYTimes

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mfpcopine
mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
The full article provides more detail.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/10/health/nutrition/q-and-a-are-high-protein-low-carb-diets-effective.html?_r=1&hpw


What would you tell someone who wanted to lose weight?

---I would have them eat a lower-calorie diet. They should eat whatever they normally eat, but eat less. You must carefully measure this. Eat as little as you can get away with, and try to exercise more.



There is no magic diet, or even a moderately preferred diet?

---No. Some diets are better or worse for medical reasons, but not for weight control. People come up with new diets all the time — like, why not eat pistachios at midnight when the moon is full? We have gone through so many of these diet possibilities. And yet people are always coming up to me with another one.

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  • dancinrascal
    dancinrascal Posts: 204 Member
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    nice article! I've often wondered if there were certain diets for certain body types etc. or if one thing works better than another.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
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    nice article! I've often wondered if there were certain diets for certain body types etc. or if one thing works better than another.

    Who knows? But this Q & A is with a respected researcher/scientist who's studied these issues for many years.

    Glad you found it helpful.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
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    nice article! I've often wondered if there were certain diets for certain body types etc. or if one thing works better than another.

    Also interesting: He says "Eat as little as you can get away with." Nothing about "eating back calories."
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
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    nice article! I've often wondered if there were certain diets for certain body types etc. or if one thing works better than another.

    Also interesting: He says "Eat as little as you can get away with." Nothing about "eating back calories."

    "Eat as little as you can get away with" is pretty vague advice. For some people, this includes eating back calories. For some, it doesn't.
  • ShannonMpls
    ShannonMpls Posts: 1,936 Member
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    This is a great article. Thanks for sharing the link.
  • kathyms13
    kathyms13 Posts: 497 Member
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    it just makes sense we eat less we burn fat .
  • mcarter99
    mcarter99 Posts: 1,666 Member
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    nice article! I've often wondered if there were certain diets for certain body types etc. or if one thing works better than another.

    Also interesting: He says "Eat as little as you can get away with." Nothing about "eating back calories."

    Or don't eat under your BMR, or even 1200.
  • Alexstrasza
    Alexstrasza Posts: 619 Member
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    Good article. I don't like that he says "eat as little as you can get away with". That's far too vague. Someone might take that a little too literally and start doing a 500 cal diet.

    I had a friend in highschool who was doing that with her sister. I told her even then that she was a moron, lol.
  • mustgetmuscles1
    mustgetmuscles1 Posts: 3,346 Member
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    it just makes sense we eat less we burn fat .

    To a point but if you eat too little you can burn way more than fat.
  • Jay_Jay_
    Jay_Jay_ Posts: 194 Member
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    Funny... I tried reduce calorie diets for years and years and I ballooned to 469 lbs. I discovered low carb, high fat and i've lost 175 lbs in a year and a half. Sure, it's easy to say just eat less, but the TYPES of calories and the TYPES of foods you eat still matter immensely. Cutting calories will always result in weight loss, but sustainable weight loss and lifestyle change? Unlikely.
  • Kathy53925
    Kathy53925 Posts: 241 Member
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    nice article! I've often wondered if there were certain diets for certain body types etc. or if one thing works better than another.

    Also interesting: He says "Eat as little as you can get away with." Nothing about "eating back calories."

    "Eat as little as you can get away with" is pretty vague advice. For some people, this includes eating back calories. For some, it doesn't.


    Well, I am sure he means if you are not that hungry, then don't eat! If you worked out hard and you're starving...eat!
  • angemarie23
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    Funny... I tried reduce calorie diets for years and years and I ballooned to 469 lbs. I discovered low carb, high fat and i've lost 175 lbs in a year and a half. Sure, it's easy to say just eat less, but the TYPES of calories and the TYPES of foods you eat still matter immensely.

    EXACTLY. This article says just keep eating whatever you would normally eat but just less of it??? lol Hear that, guys??? That means all those donuts, icecream, and chocolate cake I was eating before...I can just keep on eating that way but just eat a little less. Nevermind fruits and vegetables. Just eat a smaller piece of cake!! Yes, it DOES matter what you eat not just the amount.

    Also, eat as little as possible? That's not healthy either. I don't know about you but when I eat as little as possible I am tired, cranky, and barely have enough energy to walk around not to mention taking on my intense workout program.

    No, this article doesn't know what it's talking about. It's vague, general, and doesn't take into account that if someone really wants to change their life just eating 4 donuts instead of 6 isn't going to help them.
  • Silverkittycat
    Silverkittycat Posts: 1,997 Member
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    Genes Point to Best Diets
    Gene Test Indicates Who Will Benefit From Low-Carb or Low-Fat Diets
    By RON WINSLOW

    SAN FRANCISCO—In the long-running debate over diets—low-fat or low-carb—Stanford University researchers reported Wednesday that a genetic test can help people choose which one works best for them.

    In a study involving 133 overweight women, those with a genetic predisposition to benefit from a low-carbohydrate diet lost 2 1/2 times as much weight as those on the same diet without the predisposition. Similarly, women with a genetic makeup that favored a low-fat diet lost substantially more weight than women who curbed fat calories without low-fat genes. The women were followed for a year.

    "Knowing your genotype for low-carb or low-fat diets could help you increase your weight-loss success," said Christopher Gardner, an associate professor of medicine at Stanford and a co-author of the study.

    Data from a separate study indicate that 45% of white women have a low-carb genotype while 39% are predisposed to a low-fat diet, suggesting the test has the potential to yield a useful result for much of the population. The test is based on variations in three genes known to regulate how the body metabolizes fat and carbohydrates.

    The findings need confirmation in a larger study, and additional research is also necessary to more clearly determine the usefulness of the test, including how it applies to men and different racial groups.

    The results help explain a common phenomenon in the weight-loss wars: why two people decide to lose weight and go on the same diet and exercise plan, only to have one succeed while the other is frustrated.

    The results suggest even strict adherence to a diet won't matter if people's diets are out of synch with their genetics, he added.

    The test was developed by Interleukin Genetics Inc., a Waltham, Mass., developer of genetic tests that sponsored the study. The test uses a cheek swab to obtain cells for DNA analysis, and is on the market for $149.


    In the past decade, about a dozen studies pitting low-fat vs. low-carb diets have been published in major medical journals. For the most part, no winner has emerged, and none of the diets resulted, on average, in weight loss exceeding 10 pounds in a year. Experts began to believe the type of diet didn't matter.

    "This makes the whole topic relevant again," Dr. Gardner said.

    Researchers said that determining a person's genetic predisposition could become a new tool in the battle against overweight and obesity.

    "This is one step forward to realizing personalized nutrition for weight loss," said Mindy Dopler Nelson, a researcher at Stanford and lead author of the report. The researchers said they didn't have any financial interest in the Interleukin Genetics test.

    "To match individuals with a diet type will help us to better target interventions and help them be successful," added Sachiko St. Jeor, a professor in the division of endocrinology, nutrition and metabolism at University of Nevada School of Medicine, Reno. Dr. St. Jeor wasn't involved with the study.

    The study, presented at the American Heart Association's annual epidemiology and prevention conference, has just been submitted to a medical journal and thus hasn't yet cleared rigorous peer review that precedes publication. But it was reviewed by a committee that approves papers for presentation at the meeting.

    Despite the relatively small number of participants, the findings achieved strong statistical significance, researchers said, meaning it isn't likely they were the result of chance. The findings are also based in part on an earlier paper, called the A to Z weight-loss study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2007.


    Just matching the right diet with your genes doesn't guarantee significant weight loss for everyone, Dr. Gardner cautioned. If low-carb people make a diet out of low-carb cupcakes, he said, they're unlikely to see the results they want on a scale.

    "It's not the end of the obesity epidemic," Dr. Gardner said. "But we need every leg-up we can get."

    The 133 women were among 301 participants in the A to Z study, which compared the effects of four popular weight-loss diets: the Atkins and Zone diets, which are low-carb, and the Learn and Ornish diets, which call for curbing fat calories.

    In that study, the Atkins diet was slightly more effective than the other three, but on average, the total weight loss after one year was only about 10 pounds.

    Yet, Dr. Nelson pointed out, within each diet group, a handful of women lost more than 30 pounds, while some others gained about 10 pounds. The new study examined whether genetics could explain part of the more than 40-pound swing.

    Kenneth S. Kornman, president and chief scientific officer at Interleukin, said the company asked if the Stanford team could use its genetic test on the A to Z participants to see if their genetic makeup predicted their weight-loss experience.

    Since Stanford researchers hadn't obtained any DNA samples in the study, Dr. Nelson led an effort to track down the original participants. She said over 130 agreed to submit cheek swab samples to determine their genetic predisposition. The researchers re-analyzed the study based on the genetic results.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703862704575099742545274032.html
  • cordianet
    cordianet Posts: 534 Member
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    And yet here's another article quoting the same guy that seems to contradict what he said to the NYT:
    http://newswire.rockefeller.edu/1995/03/18/rockefeller-researchers-find-evidence-that-weight-change-in-humans-affects-metabolism/

    “This research taps into the fundamental control of fat storage in humans,” said Dr. Hirsch. “It clearly shows that decreasing food intake or increasing energy output for a short period is not going to control weight. Good nutrition and increased physical activity–over the long term–are necessary to lose weight and keep it off.”

    Here he seems to suggest it's not just calories, but "good nutrition" that's important.

    Here's yet another potentially contradictory statement by the good doctor:
    http://newswire.rockefeller.edu/2011/10/26/2965/

    “But it is also possible, said Dr. Jules Hirsch of Rockefeller University, that researchers just do not know enough about obesity to prescribe solutions. One thing is clear, he said: ‘A vast effort to persuade the public to change its habits just hasn’t prevented or cured obesity.’ ‘We need more knowledge,’ Dr. Hirsch said. ‘Condemning the public for their uncontrollable hedonism and the food industry for its inequities just doesn’t seem to be turning the tide.’”

    So basically we don't know enough, to prescribe solutions, yet he does anyway? Hmm...
  • Silverkittycat
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    Exactly, cordianet.

    From 2006 -
    Dr. Jules Hirsch, a physician who’s spent his career studying diets and health, chimed in on this theme of scientific humility, telling The New York Times that these studies “should put a stop to this era of thinking that we have all the information we need to change the whole national diet and make everybody healthy.” Amen, doc. Since the conventional wisdom on nutrition gets overturned pretty regularly, it becomes very difficult to justify any “national diet” plan that includes sin taxes and obesity lawsuits.

    Dr. Walter Willett — a Harvard prof who, we must admit, has spread his share of fat fads in the past — called these results “the end of the low-fat era.” That may be true. But we’ll take these findings in stride, preferring this observation from UC Berkeley statistics professor David Freedman: “We, the scientific community, tend to go off the deep end giving dietary advice based on pretty flimsy evidence.”