20 lbs of FAT in 30 days? Probably not...in 45? Maybe...
Seahawks909
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So 20lbs of FAT is my weight loss goal...in 45 days. So that is -1750 calories a day (little less) Do you think this possible? I do.
I lost 25 lbs in 8 weeks in 2010 (before injuries) and I still partied (hard) 2-3 times a week and ate pizza + hamburgers probably 3 or so times a week (some fries thrown in there)...but what I did was insane:
15 minute cardio warm up (jog)
45 minute weightlifting session (4 times a week)
2 hours of actual elliptical time rated at 14/20 level (the stupid thing said I lost 1000 calories an hour, but who knows).
I went from 205 to 185 (which is only 20 lbs, but trust me, I gained at least 5lbs of muscle that I did not have before AND my strength increased).
With that being said, I am around 212 now and I want to go back to 190-ish while gaining some muscle...in 45 days.
To be honest, it might take 2 hours of cardio a night 6 nights a week (I usually took Mondays off). Do you think I can do it?
I lost 25 lbs in 8 weeks in 2010 (before injuries) and I still partied (hard) 2-3 times a week and ate pizza + hamburgers probably 3 or so times a week (some fries thrown in there)...but what I did was insane:
15 minute cardio warm up (jog)
45 minute weightlifting session (4 times a week)
2 hours of actual elliptical time rated at 14/20 level (the stupid thing said I lost 1000 calories an hour, but who knows).
I went from 205 to 185 (which is only 20 lbs, but trust me, I gained at least 5lbs of muscle that I did not have before AND my strength increased).
With that being said, I am around 212 now and I want to go back to 190-ish while gaining some muscle...in 45 days.
To be honest, it might take 2 hours of cardio a night 6 nights a week (I usually took Mondays off). Do you think I can do it?
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Can you lose that much weight in that time, perhaps. Will it all be fat, doubtful. Will you be able to build muscle while in that much of a caloric deficit, definitely not.
Would I recommend it for anyone... whada you reckon?0 -
You mentioned having injuries. Maybe you can do this, but you might also risk injuring yourself again or reinjuring yourself if you push your workouts too hard. If you haven't been doing regular workouts at this level and you suddenly start, I would worry about your joints, among other things. I hope you don't focus so much on your goal that you ignore any warning signs your body gives you.
Standard disclaimer: I am not a doctor blah blah blah.0 -
Believe me, I can and I have built muscle on this type of diet, all over eight weeks or so. Don't get me wrong the gains were not would (I went from curling 20lb weights 4x4 to 35 2x4 and 40 2x4, bench went from 140 to 175 and for the first time in my life I could do pull ups and unassisted dips) they would have been on a strictly heavy lifting routine, but I assure you I did get strength gains and increased muscle mass. I know it goes against all of the common ideas (you need the calories to do it) but I guess I didn't. I mean..I took in around 70 g's of protein a day and took vitamins twice day but that is it.
I went from size 36 jeans to size 30-32 and from 205 to 185.
Again, I didn't go from fat to muscle man, but I was seriously asked several times during those 8-9 weeks if I was on steroids as the fat was melting off and the muscle was appearing simultaneously, the answer is no. I lifted 4 times a week (with upper body, 3 times with lower) I did around 2 hours a day at an intense level of elliptical cardio and I lost fat gained strength. It can be done.0 -
Believe me, I can and I have built muscle on this type of diet, all over eight weeks or so. Don't get me wrong the gains were not would (I went from curling 20lb weights 4x4 to 35 2x4 and 40 2x4, bench went from 140 to 175 and for the first time in my life I could do pull ups and unassisted dips) they would have been on a strictly heavy lifting routine, but I assure you I did get strength gains and increased muscle mass. I know it goes against all of the common ideas (you need the calories to do it) but I guess I didn't. I mean..I took in around 70 g's of protein a day and took vitamins twice day but that is it.
I went from size 36 jeans to size 30-32 and from 205 to 185.
Again, I didn't go from fat to muscle man, but I was seriously asked several times during those 8-9 weeks if I was on steroids as the fat was melting off and the muscle was appearing simultaneously, the answer is no. I lifted 4 times a week (with upper body, 3 times with lower) I did around 2 hours a day at an intense level of elliptical cardio and I lost fat gained strength. It can be done.
Gains in strength can and do occur when gains in skeletal muscle do not occur. Part of strength gains are neurological.
You will not gain lean mass given the scenario in your OP.0 -
Do you think I can do it?
No.0 -
Alrighty guys, Im gonna get at it, well I have already been hittin' it hard for over a week now, but I have 6 more weeks and then I will take some more pictures and see if I can do anything worth showing to you all.
and "no" is the wrong answer. Watch!
And if I can't lose 20lbs, I still believe I will have some results that will just further encourage me until I can!
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Why would you want to do that? Yes, if you behave in extreme and unhealthy ways, you can probably do it. Is that your goal? Or are you trying to be healthier / fit?0
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Good luck to ya. Dedication is all you need.0
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Obviously this kind of regime works, as you have said you've done it, but can you call it successful if all the weight has come back and then some?
Extreme workouts like that are totally unsustainable. When you stop doing them your metabolism will shut down, and all the weight you lost will come back. And because you aren't incorporating healthy eating changes it will come back quicker.
Think about improving your health, not your ego0 -
This weight had stayed off for two complete years last time I did this type of regime to become a medium size. How did it come back? Because I tore both tendons in my arm playing basketball and was unable to do anything (other than walk) for around 4-5 months. So what happened? I had a diet of around 2500 calories because I began to build up and once I couldn't lift anymore, those calories I still craved but it just became fat. Over 4-5 months and with a larger stomach damage got worse and worse and by the time I was healthy I was completely out of it and drained.
It is sustainable, it is healthy I never saw any side effects from this regime. I felt WAY better than I ever had before and eventually got to the point where I no longer needed pre-work out items like caff. I could just do it.0 -
Hmm if you say so. I'm all for working out and working out hard but what you're talking about I can't see lasting long-term. Hope you can prove me wrong!0
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Well no it wouldn't last the long, my goal is to drop 20-30lbs and then slow the cardio down to 15-20 minutes a day and start focusing on muscle/strength gains.0
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Get your body fat measured by a reliable method, eg hydrostatic testing before and after. You may lose 20lb but it will not all be fat.0
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It may not all be fat (some water). I will be lifting hard and if history is anything to go on, my strength/size will increase if anything in that department. But like I said, if I can't do it, I will still have something to show for the next 45 days I am sure and I will continue to do a regime that makes sense for me until I can do it.
I am going to make this my official update thread for the next 45 days and every day I will tell you what I did.
I cant estimate calories, because that is ridiculous, but I will tell you for how long and at what level I did an elliptical/the time I spent weight lifting, and then i will tell you the calories I have eaten for the day. I will weigh myself once a week for 6 1/2 weeks, Then I will show before and after pictures!
As I have been doing this for a week, I will just go by the weight measurements tomorrow and I would state, that more than likely most of the water weight has gone bye bye. You be the judge in 6 1/2 weeks!
Cheers, I hope I can gain some interest! 0 -
It may not all be fat (some water), but it will NOT be muscle. I will be lifting hard and if history is anything to go on, my strength/size will increase if anything in that department. But like I said, if I can't do it, I will still have something to show for the next 45 days I am sure and I will continue to do a regime that makes sense for me until I can do it.
To be perfectly honest, and to add a little more color to my very short and sweet 'no', that much cardio is counterproductive to maintaining LBM. IMHO, keep the strength training but cut down the cardio significantly.0 -
It may not all be fat (some water), but it will NOT be muscle. I will be lifting hard and if history is anything to go on, my strength/size will increase if anything in that department. But like I said, if I can't do it, I will still have something to show for the next 45 days I am sure and I will continue to do a regime that makes sense for me until I can do it.
To be perfectly honest, and to add a little more color to my very short and sweet 'no', that much cardio is counterproductive to maintaining LBM. IMHO, keep the strength training but cut down the cardio significantly.
I don't agree, as I know how my body handles cardio. You should add me as a friend, though. I would love to keep in contact!0 -
traditional advice is losing more than a few pounds a week is unsafe and rarely provides long term results.0
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Okay, guys! I am off to bed! I will post my official starting weight, my daily activity, and food intake tomorrow night!
Feel free to cheer me on or criticize me, just as long as you stay involved!
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False.It may not all be fat (some water), but it will NOT be muscle. I will be lifting hard and if history is anything to go on, my strength/size will increase if anything in that department. But like I said, if I can't do it, I will still have something to show for the next 45 days I am sure and I will continue to do a regime that makes sense for me until I can do it.
To be perfectly honest, and to add a little more color to my very short and sweet 'no', that much cardio is counterproductive to maintaining LBM. IMHO, keep the strength training but cut down the cardio significantly.
Cardio is not bad like plenty of people make it out to be. If you really want to get lean, cardio is going to have to be done PERIOD. Low intensity cardio is great for recovery, especially after a workout. Not only that the endurance benefits help you lift more weight.0 -
why the mad rush? why not use a modest deficit and work out a few times a week... you dont have to spend hours at the gym and risk injury... this is supposed to be a lifestyle change, not a short term diet.0
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I don't think what you're doing is necessarily a good idea, or healthy at all but I have to commend you for keeping a positive attitude even when others are trying their best to shoot you down. Seriously, way to not get defensive and angry at those who disagree. I'll definitely be checking in, I hope you get good results, although I doubt you'll get quite the ones you are sure of. The important thing is that you feel stronger, even if you don't actually increase your lean body mass (and I agree with the others that you probably didn't, by the way).
I also can't help but notice there aren't pages and pages of people telling you how idiotic your statements are and I think it's because of your good attitude. Way to shut 'em up. 0 -
False.It may not all be fat (some water), but it will NOT be muscle. I will be lifting hard and if history is anything to go on, my strength/size will increase if anything in that department. But like I said, if I can't do it, I will still have something to show for the next 45 days I am sure and I will continue to do a regime that makes sense for me until I can do it.
To be perfectly honest, and to add a little more color to my very short and sweet 'no', that much cardio is counterproductive to maintaining LBM. IMHO, keep the strength training but cut down the cardio significantly.
Cardio is not bad like plenty of people make it out to be. If you really want to get lean, cardio is going to have to be done PERIOD. Low intensity cardio is great for recovery, especially after a workout. Not only that the endurance benefits help you lift more weight.
LOL
He is talking about 2 hours a day of high intensity.0 -
I don't think what you're doing is necessarily a good idea, or healthy at all but I have to commend you for keeping a positive attitude even when others are trying their best to shoot you down. Seriously, way to not get defensive and angry at those who disagree. I'll definitely be checking in, I hope you get good results, although I doubt you'll get quite the ones you are sure of. The important thing is that you feel stronger, even if you don't actually increase your lean body mass (and I agree with the others that you probably didn't, by the way).
I also can't help but notice there aren't pages and pages of people telling you how idiotic your statements are and I think it's because of your good attitude. Way to shut 'em up.
I actually was thinking the same this myself. It is a breath of fresh air and actually pretty rare for someone to keep upbeat, be very polite and not defensive at all when people disagree so huge kudos to the OP for that.0 -
I want to see what you can do in that time. Be careful, and remember, this is all for the long term, not a short sprint. Best of luck:drinker:0
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False.It may not all be fat (some water), but it will NOT be muscle. I will be lifting hard and if history is anything to go on, my strength/size will increase if anything in that department. But like I said, if I can't do it, I will still have something to show for the next 45 days I am sure and I will continue to do a regime that makes sense for me until I can do it.
To be perfectly honest, and to add a little more color to my very short and sweet 'no', that much cardio is counterproductive to maintaining LBM. IMHO, keep the strength training but cut down the cardio significantly.
Cardio is not bad like plenty of people make it out to be. If you really want to get lean, cardio is going to have to be done PERIOD. Low intensity cardio is great for recovery, especially after a workout. Not only that the endurance benefits help you lift more weight.
LOL
He is talking about 2 hours a day of high intensity.
^^Which i will state I have done in the past with great results both with fat-loss and muscle/strength gain. It can and will be done.
Okay! I am done for today guys, here are my short stats:
Waist: 37 (actual), 38 pant size.
Official starting weight: 212 lbs (before any food today)
Breakfast:
1 Cup Oatmeal : 300 calories (dry with water added)
1 Apple ~ 100 calories
1 Multi-Vitamin tablet
2 Sub Q tablets
Total: 400 Calories
Lunch:
Chunky's Healthy Style Roasted Chicken Soup ~180 calories
1 8oz glass non fat milk ~ 130 calories
2 Carrots ~ 70 calories
2 Sub Q Tablets
Total: 380 Calories
Dinner:
1 skinless baked chicken breast ~150 calories
1 8oz glass of milk ~ 130
1 can green beans ~ 90 calories
Total: 370
Work out:
1 hr elliptical 13/20 (stated 1200 calorie lost, lets not go that far..I mean I was sweating my tail off..)
45 minute heavy weights
~96oz of water
Post work out:
1.5 scoops of protein power + water (16 oz) ~ 220 calories.
1 peanut butter tablespoon + whole grain bread slice ~ 200 calories
Calorie total for the day: 15700
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