Forks Over Knives

neverstray
neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
edited December 25 in Food and Nutrition
I watched this movie yesterday, and I can't stop thinking about it. I think I'm going to try it. But, I don't know how or where to start. I think the movie was outstanding, but it could have been a little better by giving the viewer something to walk away with. Like, show a meal or two and how hey are prepared. Anyway, in case anyone is not aware, they said if it swims, crawls, jumps, runs, has eyes or has a mom and dad, you don't eat it. You also stay away from processed things such as sugar, flour, and all oils. And no dairy. So, I don't know what you call that. Sounds vegan to me. You can find the movie on Netflix.

I have a bunch of chicken in my freezer and have to eat, and some yogurt and milk. But, once it's gone, that's it. While I make the transition, I'll need some help. Does anyone have suggested resources? I have no idea what to eat, how to buy food, and all that. I'm excited but need some support and recipes to get started.

Thanks.
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  • drewols
    drewols Posts: 77
    I wouldn't just jump into a vegan diet just because you saw it in a movie. Now, if you are truly interested in veganism, I would do a lot of research and planning to make sure that is what you really want.
  • laus_8882
    laus_8882 Posts: 217 Member
    I LOVED the film and I really, really enjoyed the McDougall Diet. If you're a big eater and like to see a plate groaning with food, then it's a diet that could really work for you. The diet's definitely vegan, but the recipes are pretty flavourful. The only thing I really missed while on it was plain yoghurt.

    http://www.drmcdougall.com/free.html Here's the free McDougall program. I never bothered with the books because I hate following recipes but apparently they're quite good. There's also a forum on the website with plenty of recipes and people willing to answer questions.

    engine2diet.com/ Here's the Engine 2 diet. The sort of hot (If i was a decade older!) firefighter is behind this. I like his recipe for black beans, yummy.
  • neverstray
    neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
    I wouldn't just jump into a vegan diet just because you saw it in a movie. Now, if you are truly interested in veganism, I would do a lot of research and planning to make sure that is what you really want.

    It's difficult to respond to this unless you've seen it. If you have seen it, you would not have made that response. You might have said something else, but not that.
  • neverstray
    neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
    I LOVED the film and I really, really enjoyed the McDougall Diet. If you're a big eater and like to see a plate groaning with food, then it's a diet that could really work for you. The diet's definitely vegan, but the recipes are pretty flavourful. The only thing I really missed while on it was plain yoghurt.

    http://www.drmcdougall.com/free.html Here's the free McDougall program. I never bothered with the books because I hate following recipes but apparently they're quite good. There's also a forum on the website with plenty of recipes and people willing to answer questions.

    engine2diet.com/ Here's the Engine 2 diet. The sort of hot (If i was a decade older!) firefighter is behind this. I like his recipe for black beans, yummy.

    Thanks. That's great. I don't know if I can go all out, but I'm going to try. I don't think I can live without fish in my diet, but we'll see where it goes. This is really new to me, so it seems massively overwhelming. I think the inconvenience of available food is going to piss me off a lot. But, I'll try to work with it.
  • laus_8882
    laus_8882 Posts: 217 Member
    I LOVED the film and I really, really enjoyed the McDougall Diet. If you're a big eater and like to see a plate groaning with food, then it's a diet that could really work for you. The diet's definitely vegan, but the recipes are pretty flavourful. The only thing I really missed while on it was plain yoghurt.

    http://www.drmcdougall.com/free.html Here's the free McDougall program. I never bothered with the books because I hate following recipes but apparently they're quite good. There's also a forum on the website with plenty of recipes and people willing to answer questions.

    engine2diet.com/ Here's the Engine 2 diet. The sort of hot (If i was a decade older!) firefighter is behind this. I like his recipe for black beans, yummy.

    Thanks. That's great. I don't know if I can go all out, but I'm going to try. I don't think I can live without fish in my diet, but we'll see where it goes. This is really new to me, so it seems massively overwhelming. I think the inconvenience of available food is going to piss me off a lot. But, I'll try to work with it.

    I found the diet impossible to maintain because it's so very, very obvious. Eating out is possible but you make so many adjustments to your order and have such a limited choice to begin with that you quickly become the centre of attention and waiters look at you as if to say "why, why did you have to make my already stressful job 10x more stressful???". You feel like you've kicked a puppy.

    But if you can find a way to make the diet work long term you'll feel fantastic and the weight will stay off. The way I lost it... wow, getting teary eyed thinking about it now. The diet basically relies on eating a lot of stuff... but that stuff is ridiculously high in fibre and fills you up so that overeating is quite difficult. Obviously it's possible if you just eat rice and wheat berries, but a little more difficult when you're eating plates of vegetables and beans, you know? I still apply a few McDougall principles to my diet and I think I'm healthier for it so I can't see any harm in eating fish some of the time or following an 80/20 rule or whatever works really. Good luck (:
  • LordBezoar
    LordBezoar Posts: 625 Member
    Between that film and "Food, Inc.", that is what started us moving in the direction we are. A couple of other really good documentaries we have seen are: "Vegucated", "Fresh", HBO's "Weight of the Nation" series, and "Food Matters".

    You can also definitely check out these guys for some meal ideas and other helpful information:

    http://www.cafejanae.com/ - Really good cookbooks, does a lot of live stuff around the Salt Lake area. You can look her up on YouTube for a ton of videos as well. She has a new site launching in the next couple of weeks, so that will be much better.

    http://therawchef.com/home/index.php - Excellent video courses on raw foods. I especially love that he talks a lot about why you are doing something rather than just "do this, do that". Downside: the videos are somewhat spendy.

    http://www.theppk.com/ - This is one of my new favorite sites. DW and I have made a few recipes from her and they have been wonderful.

    You can also check out the Happy Herbivores group here on MFP. We have a ton of other links in the discussion group there.
  • swisspea
    swisspea Posts: 327 Member
    I loved the film and took away a lot of lessons! I gave up red meat and chicken 5 years ago and never looked back. I admire you if you want to jump into a vegan diet straight after watching it, I don't posxess that level of commitment at the moment, and I think you're awesome for trying it! Keep us updated :)
  • BobbyDaniel
    BobbyDaniel Posts: 1,459 Member
    I started eating a plant based diet before seeing this movie, and while I thought it was informative and made a lot of sense, I do agree with the above comment that you should carefully consider what you are doing before you go head first into a vegan diet. I'm eating primarily vegetarian, allowing myself the occasional egg and dairy products in moderation. I'm the only one in my house eating this way and I'm not forcing it onto my family, if they choose to join me, they are more than welcome too.
    After eating this way for 22 of the last 23 days (July 4th was a grill out at a friends house), I feel great and I don't think I'm missing much with a plant based diet.
    If you think you can do it, I suggest trying vegetarian at first and then if you really think you can handle it, switch to full vegan.
  • Lainnee
    Lainnee Posts: 61 Member
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  • veggiesaurus15
    veggiesaurus15 Posts: 152 Member
    I have been eating a whole foods, plant-based, vegan diet since January 1st. I have lost 58 pounds effortlessly. I eat as much as I want without restriction because when you eat nature's food, you don't have to count calories.

    I would recommend reading anything by Dr. John McDougall, Dr. Joel Fuhrman, Dr. Neal Barnard, Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, check out the Engine 2 Diet, Happy Herbivore... there are so many resources. I can understand that it is a transition, but including more whole, fresh produce into your diet is the best thing you can do for you body.

    The Engine 2 Program teaches you how to slowly wean off meat, dairy and oil. The 21-day Vegan Kickstart is another great program. Try it, you have nothing to lose!
  • cordianet
    cordianet Posts: 534 Member
    I wouldn't just jump into a vegan diet just because you saw it in a movie. Now, if you are truly interested in veganism, I would do a lot of research and planning to make sure that is what you really want.

    Agreed. Humans are omnivores and biologically are not designed to eat this way. Doing so may be healthy for some, but it takes work and planning. Now if you feel that for some reason, you want to make this lifestyle choice, that's fine, we all should eat the way that works for us. I'd just recommend you do it with a clear head and after sufficient research to be sure you know both the pluses and minuses of such a drastic change.
  • skullshank
    skullshank Posts: 4,323 Member
    watched food inc and forks over knives back to back a couple weeks ago...since then i have been making a decent effort to make better choices about where my food comes from. i aint gonna lie...i'll never be veg, and im ok with that...but i do want to eat cleaner things.

    if youre looking to go veg just watch "meet your meat" (might be on the PETA site)....that film had me veg for a solid 6months... lol
  • kaliso
    kaliso Posts: 42 Member
    There's a book called "30 day began challenge." I forget who it's by but it's a.good guideline of where to start and provides recipes as well.
  • missleah26
    missleah26 Posts: 146 Member
    Watching FOK was a major turning point for my husband and me. We'd always eaten pretty healthily, but that particular movie really opened our eyes as to how what we were eating was slowly wreaking havoc on our bodies. Both of our families have really high instances of cancer, so we wanted to do everything we could to reduce our combined risk.

    We transitioned gradually and didn't throw anything away because it wasn't part of the prescribed diet, but we just didn't replace it. When we're out for dinner (not very often for both health and financial reasons) or are being fed by family or friends, we'll eat meat, dairy, etc. We still get to indulge cravings from time to time, but we're not seeking attention or special treatment. We've spoken with our families about our decision to go plant-strong and encouraged them to watch the film, but haven't really made much of an impact, unfortunately.

    I do nearly all the cooking, so rethinking meal planning was definitely a challenge. Like others have mentioned Engine 2 (Rip is a firefighter and former pro triathlete-- my hubby believes in the diet, as he's a firefighter and a marathoner) is really helpful, along with Happy Herbivore, Post-Punk Kitchen, No Meat Athlete (TVP tacos are soooo good!), and many others. We also watched "Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead" and have started juicing a couple times a week, which is really fun and tasty.

    Most of all, don't beat yourself up or hold yourself to an impossible standard! We identify more with "plant-strong" than "vegan" because some people are very sensitive about the labels used. Since we still eat meat on occasion, plant-strong is more meaningful, though we're vegan 80+% of the time. Enjoy it!
  • neverstray
    neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
    Thanks everyone for the encouragement. I think what I'll do is just slowly transition. Not overnight. I still have a freezer full of chicken to eat. And, since I don't really know exactly what to do, I'll probably incorporate meat on some days and skip it on others. Probably vegetarian or maybe pescatarian at first, get used to it, then if it sticks, get further into it by stopping eating fish and moving forward.

    Maybe I gave the impression that I'm doing it now. That's not the case. Think of me like a large cruise ship. Turning me around will take a long time. That's just how I roll, or float. Lol. Baby steps toward a goal.
  • deb3129
    deb3129 Posts: 1,294 Member
    I watched FOK in March, and changed my diet to what they recommended. Since March 28th, I have lost 64 pounds. I have recently started walking, but most of the weight literally just dropped off once I made the dietary changes. I am eating a ton of food, and I love it!
  • MtnKat
    MtnKat Posts: 714
    I thought you were talking about the book (yes, there is a book). I didn't realize it was a show...

    Has anyone read that?

    Forks Over Knives
    The Plant-Based Way to Health
    by Gene Stone
    Dr. Colin T. Campbell
    Dr. Caldwell B. Esselstyn

    PS...I can get a kindle addition from free as a digital download from the local library. You might check it out if you have access to something like that.
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
    Looks like people have given you some good places to start. PCRM has a 21-day vegan kickstart program that lays out a menu for you. It starts periodically so they might not have it going on right now, but I'm pretty sure you can still go there (pcrm.org) and get recipes. I think happyherbivore.com might also have an option that helps you plan a menu, but not sure on that one. I'll try to get back to this later with more resources.

    Also, I didn't read each reply so maybe someone already said this, but if you're looking for a descriptive label for this way of eating, it's typically called a "plant-based diet." Obviously meaning that the focus of one's diet is plants and usually means they do it for health or environmental reasons. This does not preclude the inclusion of other foods on occasion. Vegan has ethical connotations centered on the exploitation of animals that don't apply to someone following a plant-based diet for reasons other than animal well-being (though obviously a vegan could be vegan for ethical, health, and environmental concerns, but the term usually has a focus on the ethics of exploiting animals).
  • veganbaum
    veganbaum Posts: 1,865 Member
    watched food inc and forks over knives back to back a couple weeks ago...since then i have been making a decent effort to make better choices about where my food comes from. i aint gonna lie...i'll never be veg, and im ok with that...but i do want to eat cleaner things.

    if youre looking to go veg just watch "meet your meat" (might be on the PETA site)....that film had me veg for a solid 6months... lol

    Perhaps try Earthlings . . .
  • Softrbreeze
    Softrbreeze Posts: 156 Member
    I think that's smart. I was pescatarian a solid 9 mos with no intention of progressing to full vegetarian or vegan diet until a couple of months ago. I decided to go full vegan because of a lightbulb moment while I was reading scripture recently (Gen1:29-31). However, I don't think I would have been very successful had I not started with some of those changes last year. It DOES take a lot of thought and adjustments. I eat out daily too and no vegan restuarants around here unfortunately. I eat at mexican restuarants a lot and get either the veggie fajita without sour cream and cheese or a veggie burrito (check to make sure they don't use meat or lard in their beans), or Olive Garden minestrone soup and salad or Subway veggie patty or veggie delite with oil and vinegar. Taco Bell also has a fresco bean burrito that is vegan. I've gotten a lot of my recipes from the Happy Herbivore and www.plantbasedonabudget.com.
  • kayemme
    kayemme Posts: 1,782 Member
    forks over knives is a great flick. there are lots and lots and lots of vegetarian recipe sites out there.

    since you have a lot of meat, i would cook it up, portion it and possibly freeze it and make the transition on the slower side. it can be a bit overwhelming at first if you dive in.

    don't listen to anyone who tells you that you won't be nutritionally sound as a vegetarian or vegan. there are plenty of ways to get proper nutrition; some might eve say better nutrition than meat-eating diets because there's a strong diversity on the plate.

    veganism is a drastic shift, but if you know how to cook well already, then you shouldn't have much of a problem. start with one vegan day a week, 3-5 vegetarian days and 2-3 days where you ahve meat while you have the meat & dairy you have. then work from that.

    best of luck!
  • trb85
    trb85 Posts: 81 Member
    My husband and I recently watched this film (and a couple others) and have decided to take the plunge. Our current diet is heavily processed, but we eat very little meat - two meals a month on average. The hardest part for us is going to be transitioning from canned/boxed foods to fresh.

    Good luck to you!
  • lhulewsky
    lhulewsky Posts: 50
    Two books. The China Study and there is a cookbook called Forks over Knives. I was just looking at it on Amazon. Maybe check these out for more detailed information.
  • DaughterOfTheMostHighKing
    DaughterOfTheMostHighKing Posts: 1,436 Member
    :) haven't seen the movie, but I grew up on a farm and still live here. growing up we raise chickens, geese, ducks, and now we have pigs. I've personally slaughtered a chicken and gutted it and prepared it for lunch. I have no problems with eating animals raise to eat. now, pets are a different thing. NO ONE EATS THE GOOSE!!!!! lol!!! OR DUCKIE!!!! or my son's hen Cotton. :) they can eat any other duck or goose or chicken on the farm, but we don't eat pets! :P

    a good one to watch is Super-size Me! THAT was gross! but I admit, I still indulge my kids once in a while.. :P they eat good otherwise. :)
  • raenjones
    raenjones Posts: 1 Member
    I work at a movie theater and we showed this film. I never got around to watching it, but two of my co-workers did. It has changed their lives. They eat entirely vegan and go running together every other day. They didn't keep track of anything. They just made these changes and I can see a visible difference. They both look and feel a lot better and more healthy.

    I say: Make sure you're getting the nutrients and vitamins you need. There are tons of ways to get protein on a vegan diet. And go for it! Commit yourself. Agree with yourself that you wont cheat for 3 months and then go from there.

    Side note: Minimum wage and this diet work just fine together. :)
  • inkandsheep
    inkandsheep Posts: 101 Member
    I wouldn't just jump into a vegan diet just because you saw it in a movie. Now, if you are truly interested in veganism, I would do a lot of research and planning to make sure that is what you really want.

    Agreed. Humans are omnivores and biologically are not designed to eat this way.

    I think if you research that a bit, you'll find humans are not "biologically" designed to be omnivores. We don't have the sharp teeth carnivorous animals have, our digestion doesn't work like theirs does etc.

    And to the original poster: check out healthyeatingstartshere.com - Heather is a vegan holistic nutritionist and I've found her website and YouTube videos super useful. I've been vegetarian for years and have recently started the transition to a plant based whole foods diet.
  • tadpole242
    tadpole242 Posts: 507 Member
    I wouldn't just jump into a vegan diet just because you saw it in a movie. Now, if you are truly interested in veganism, I would do a lot of research and planning to make sure that is what you really want.

    Agreed. Humans are omnivores and biologically are not designed to eat this way.

    I think if you research that a bit, you'll find humans are not "biologically" designed to be omnivores. We don't have the sharp teeth carnivorous animals have, our digestion doesn't work like theirs does etc.

    And to the original poster: check out healthyeatingstartshere.com - Heather is a vegan holistic nutritionist and I've found her website and YouTube videos super useful. I've been vegetarian for years and have recently started the transition to a plant based whole foods diet.
    You need to re-read the post,
    Omnivores (from Latin: omni, meaning "all, everything"; vorare, "to devour")
    We are adapted to eat everything
    We have gripping teeth (canine), just like a wolf
    We have cutting teeth (incisor) like a dog
    We are evolved to eat most things, including meat vegetables fish grains and pulses. To deny this is to deny our nature. It would be the same as feeding a cat only vegetarian food, damaging and ultimately unhealthy.
    Only in ‘unnaturally societies’ out of touch with their nature do you find aberrations of diet. Be it vegans, vegetarians or even adult milk drinker.
  • neverstray
    neverstray Posts: 3,845 Member
    :) haven't seen the movie, but I grew up on a farm and still live here. growing up we raise chickens, geese, ducks, and now we have pigs. I've personally slaughtered a chicken and gutted it and prepared it for lunch. I have no problems with eating animals raise to eat. now, pets are a different thing. NO ONE EATS THE GOOSE!!!!! lol!!! OR DUCKIE!!!! or my son's hen Cotton. :) they can eat any other duck or goose or chicken on the farm, but we don't eat pets! :P

    a good one to watch is Super-size Me! THAT was gross! but I admit, I still indulge my kids once in a while.. :P they eat good otherwise. :)

    I respect that. But, it's difficult to have the conversation if you haven't seen the movie or read the book. There is lots of scientific evidence they produce over long periods of time, where they show why they feel a plant-based diet is better. Without seeing it, and understanding what they are saying, it's almost impossible to discuss because people that haven't seen it don't have a basis of understanding. It's very specific as to why a plant-based diet is better for you. It's not saying you can't eat meat, it just shows you why it's better for you not to. I am also aware that it could be propoganda. But, I don't think it is. it is very convincing, and the data is extremely convincing.
  • I have been eating this way since I saw the movie and read the book a few weeks ago. I actually watched a documentary called Fat Sick and Nearly Dead first and started with a 7 day juice re-boot. Then I transitioned into this plant based whole foods diet and after drinking nothing but vegetable & fruit juices for a week, the recipes in the Forks Over Knives and Engine 2 books are absolutely amazing! I strongly recommend the Raise the Roof Sweet Potato Lasagna!

    Vegan restaurants are not much better than regular resaurants in terms of following the FOK & E2 plans. All the restaurants I have been to seem to over use oil and processed foods. When I eat out I will order a baked potato and steamed veggies, or a mixed green salad with a side of balsamic vinegar. Eating a plant based whole foods diet is rewarding. Every time I eat something I feel like I am doing my body a favor. It is a great feeling! Just remember, if you are changing your lifestyle just for weightloss, it doesn't happen overnight. They say in the book to give yourself up to 2 weeks to adjust to this new way of eating before you may see results on the scale.
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