Insanity vs 30 Day Shred

One thing I have to add is that you're going to find a lot of Jillian fans talk about 30DS and RI30 like they're the end-all-be-all of workouts. My favorite are the ones who refer to 30DS as "The Shred" because it makes it sound SO much harder than it really is. You can tell who the people who never have set foot in a gym and only do their workouts at home are...

Beachbody engages in questionable practices

Please explain.

They're an MLM. Most positive reviews you find on the internet of their products are by Beachbody coaches trying to make commission. Their supplements and the equipment the sell are actually produced by other companies and resold by Beachbody at a higher premium. It used to not be as bad as it is now, but ever since they brough out Shakeology and now their Reset detox thingie it's gotten out of hand.

Let's not forget the whole Shred it with Weights DVD thing she got in deep trouble for.

One thing I have to add is that you're going to find a lot of Jillian fans talk about 30DS and RI30 like they're the end-all-be-all of workouts. My favorite are the ones who refer to 30DS as "The Shred" because it makes it sound SO much harder than it really is. You can tell who the people who never have set foot in a gym and only do their workouts at home are...

Wow! I'm not sure where all this JM hate is stemming from....

Anyway, I did 2 rounds of P90x and I found JM videos (not just 30DS) to be far better in terms of time spent and results (30DS is only 20 minutes and can easily be completed before work). Insanity, like P90x is also a Beachbody product but of course it is a much higher intensity cardio workout than P90x or "the shred". I can't speak to Insanity because I haven't done it yet but I have read good things about it. Insanity is something I will likely add to my collection eventually. So I can only speak to JM videos. It all depends on what you want. Despite what the poster above (who I quoted) said in a previous post, it is not just for "women who want to look good in a bikini" how absolutely condescending and mean spirited. The shred is an excellent workout. It is a 20 minute workout so of course it is not the be all end all if you are a professional weightlifter or marathon runner! It is an effective way to start working out for those who haven't worked out in a while or as a good 30 day workout to roll in at any time for the more advanced. It's a good overall body workout and most importantly it is easy to fit into a busy schedule. You can always do the 30DS and also go on a 10 mile run if you feel so inclined. If you fear the shred is going to be too easy but you want to stick with JM I recommend NMTZ and BFBM these 2 videos will kick your butt regardless of fitness level.

I think Insanity is likely a killer workout too so if you feel motivated then go for it. So Insanity is excellent but 30DS is also excellent each for what they are. 30DS is 20 minutes of circuit training and Insanity is a cardio workout that is twice as long----obviously if you workout at a high intensity for double the time you will have a better calorie burn. These two are not the same thing but I don't see the need to criticize 30DS shred because you like what Insanity has to offer (or to insult women for that matter, yeah I'm talking to you).

I wasn't trying to insult women. However one thing you can not deny is that women who undertake workout regimens USUALLY do it for totally different reasons than men do. It's not their fault, it's just that the media has overemphasized the importance of looks in the minds of women. It's this same reason why their are so many more females with EDs than males.

Anyway my reason for "hating" on Jillian's videos and training practices are the fact that the style of exercise she pushes on people doesn't yield functional gains that are comparable to the aesthetic gains. I believe that any workout program you go through should not only shape your body, but it should also make you stronger, faster, more agile, just plain better. And I think that any workout program that ignores the aspects of training that show you functional gains along with your weight loss and *ahem* toning is definitely a waste of time for this reason.

I won't lie. I am judgmental and I have very, and I do mean VERY little respect for the type of person whose only motivation in fitness revolves around wanting to look a certain way rather than improve overall health or functionality. And the fact that Jillian's videos, and the type of workouts she pushes, very clearly market themselves specifically toward this crowd, makes her an easy target for people who look down on what I refer to as "vanity training."

Let's not forget the whole Shred it with Weights DVD thing she got in deep trouble for. And the fact that a fitness trainer is selling fat burning pills.

My experience with "The shred:" I began as obese at 335 lbs. I lost about 60 lbs of that through diet alone before I began doing any form of regular exercise. I tried a few different video programs but ultimately I decided to research the science behind fitness and start putting together my own programs. At about 245 lbs (still very much overweight but a lot fitter than I used to be) I decided to see what the big deal was with 30DS. I got about two weeks into it trying to use various levels of weight but got no real burn out of it. I lost a few inches but the fact that I saw no gains pertaining to real performance in those two weeks, no athletic gains, no increases in lifting strength or stamina or . . anything, really, made the inches lost seem totally unimportant. It's no secret as to why. Most of the resistance exercises she has you doing are isolation exercises, and compound exercises must be done with very very heavy work loads in order to see the benefit that comes from doing compound exercises.

One thing I have to add is that you're going to find a lot of Jillian fans talk about 30DS and RI30 like they're the end-all-be-all of workouts. My favorite are the ones who refer to 30DS as "The Shred" because it makes it sound SO much harder than it really is. You can tell who the people who never have set foot in a gym and only do their workouts at home are...

Wow! I'm not sure where all this JM hate is stemming from....

Anyway, I did 2 rounds of P90x and I found JM videos (not just 30DS) to be far better in terms of time spent and results (30DS is only 20 minutes and can easily be completed before work). Insanity, like P90x is also a Beachbody product but of course it is a much higher intensity cardio workout than P90x or "the shred". I can't speak to Insanity because I haven't done it yet but I have read good things about it. Insanity is something I will likely add to my collection eventually. So I can only speak to JM videos. It all depends on what you want. Despite what the poster above (who I quoted) said in a previous post, it is not just for "women who want to look good in a bikini" how absolutely condescending and mean spirited. The shred is an excellent workout. It is a 20 minute workout so of course it is not the be all end all if you are a professional weightlifter or marathon runner! It is an effective way to start working out for those who haven't worked out in a while or as a good 30 day workout to roll in at any time for the more advanced. It's a good overall body workout and most importantly it is easy to fit into a busy schedule. You can always do the 30DS and also go on a 10 mile run if you feel so inclined. If you fear the shred is going to be too easy but you want to stick with JM I recommend NMTZ and BFBM these 2 videos will kick your butt regardless of fitness level.

I think Insanity is likely a killer workout too so if you feel motivated then go for it. So Insanity is excellent but 30DS is also excellent each for what they are. 30DS is 20 minutes of circuit training and Insanity is a cardio workout that is twice as long----obviously if you workout at a high intensity for double the time you will have a better calorie burn. These two are not the same thing but I don't see the need to criticize 30DS shred because you like what Insanity has to offer (or to insult women for that matter, yeah I'm talking to you).

I wasn't trying to insult women. However one thing you can not deny is that women who undertake workout regimens USUALLY do it for totally different reasons than men do. It's not their fault, it's just that the media has overemphasized the importance of looks in the minds of women. It's this same reason why their are so many more females with EDs than males.

Anyway my reason for "hating" on Jillian's videos and training practices are the fact that the style of exercise she pushes on people doesn't yield functional gains that are comparable to the aesthetic gains. I believe that any workout program you go through should not only shape your body, but it should also make you stronger, faster, more agile, just plain better. And I think that any workout program that ignores the aspects of training that show you functional gains along with your weight loss and *ahem* toning is definitely a waste of time for this reason.

I won't lie. I am judgmental and I have very, and I do mean VERY little respect for the type of person whose only motivation in fitness revolves around wanting to look a certain way rather than improve overall health or functionality. And the fact that Jillian's videos, and the type of workouts she pushes, very clearly market themselves specifically toward this crowd, makes her an easy target for people who look down on what I refer to as "vanity training."

Let's not forget the whole Shred it with Weights DVD thing she got in deep trouble for. And the fact that a fitness trainer is selling fat burning pills.

My experience with "The shred:" I began as obese at 335 lbs. I lost about 60 lbs of that through diet alone before I began doing any form of regular exercise. I tried a few different video programs but ultimately I decided to research the science behind fitness and start putting together my own programs. At about 245 lbs (still very much overweight but a lot fitter than I used to be) I decided to see what the big deal was with 30DS. I got about two weeks into it trying to use various levels of weight but got no real burn out of it. I lost a few inches but the fact that I saw no gains pertaining to real performance in those two weeks, no athletic gains, no increases in lifting strength or stamina or . . anything, really, made the inches lost seem totally unimportant. It's no secret as to why. Most of the resistance exercises she has you doing are isolation exercises, and compound exercises must be done with very very heavy work loads in order to see the benefit that comes from doing compound exercises.

What business is of yours what motivates other people? Why bother judging that? Other than make you feel superior?

I do Jillian Michael's videos because they work for me -- somebody who is pretty close (+8 pounds) to a healthy weight that just wants to be firm up. Just because I don't want to be a world class athlete doesn't mean I'm not interested in my health. I get they don't work for you and your personal goals -- so why not just explain why they don't work for you rather than bash other people in the process?

As I said above, vanity. It represents everything that's wrong with fitness today. The people who do it for vanity are more likely to adopt self destructive behaviors, more likely to quit, less likely to research, and they're the people fueling companies like Beachbody's MLM giant who thrive on keeping the idea alive that you can be fit without acquiring the knowledge that backs it. There's a science behind all of this stuff that everyone--EVERYONE--who so much as touches a weight set should learn a bit about before they get into it. You'll all be that much better for it. And the people not willing to do that should not be catered to. Knowledge is power.

One thing I have to add is that you're going to find a lot of Jillian fans talk about 30DS and RI30 like they're the end-all-be-all of workouts. My favorite are the ones who refer to 30DS as "The Shred" because it makes it sound SO much harder than it really is. You can tell who the people who never have set foot in a gym and only do their workouts at home are...

Wow! I'm not sure where all this JM hate is stemming from....

Anyway, I did 2 rounds of P90x and I found JM videos (not just 30DS) to be far better in terms of time spent and results (30DS is only 20 minutes and can easily be completed before work). Insanity, like P90x is also a Beachbody product but of course it is a much higher intensity cardio workout than P90x or "the shred". I can't speak to Insanity because I haven't done it yet but I have read good things about it. Insanity is something I will likely add to my collection eventually. So I can only speak to JM videos. It all depends on what you want. Despite what the poster above (who I quoted) said in a previous post, it is not just for "women who want to look good in a bikini" how absolutely condescending and mean spirited. The shred is an excellent workout. It is a 20 minute workout so of course it is not the be all end all if you are a professional weightlifter or marathon runner! It is an effective way to start working out for those who haven't worked out in a while or as a good 30 day workout to roll in at any time for the more advanced. It's a good overall body workout and most importantly it is easy to fit into a busy schedule. You can always do the 30DS and also go on a 10 mile run if you feel so inclined. If you fear the shred is going to be too easy but you want to stick with JM I recommend NMTZ and BFBM these 2 videos will kick your butt regardless of fitness level.

I think Insanity is likely a killer workout too so if you feel motivated then go for it. So Insanity is excellent but 30DS is also excellent each for what they are. 30DS is 20 minutes of circuit training and Insanity is a cardio workout that is twice as long----obviously if you workout at a high intensity for double the time you will have a better calorie burn. These two are not the same thing but I don't see the need to criticize 30DS shred because you like what Insanity has to offer (or to insult women for that matter, yeah I'm talking to you).

I wasn't trying to insult women. However one thing you can not deny is that women who undertake workout regimens USUALLY do it for totally different reasons than men do. It's not their fault, it's just that the media has overemphasized the importance of looks in the minds of women. It's this same reason why their are so many more females with EDs than males.

Anyway my reason for "hating" on Jillian's videos and training practices are the fact that the style of exercise she pushes on people doesn't yield functional gains that are comparable to the aesthetic gains. I believe that any workout program you go through should not only shape your body, but it should also make you stronger, faster, more agile, just plain better. And I think that any workout program that ignores the aspects of training that show you functional gains along with your weight loss and *ahem* toning is definitely a waste of time for this reason.

I won't lie. I am judgmental and I have very, and I do mean VERY little respect for the type of person whose only motivation in fitness revolves around wanting to look a certain way rather than improve overall health or functionality. And the fact that Jillian's videos, and the type of workouts she pushes, very clearly market themselves specifically toward this crowd, makes her an easy target for people who look down on what I refer to as "vanity training."

Let's not forget the whole Shred it with Weights DVD thing she got in deep trouble for. And the fact that a fitness trainer is selling fat burning pills.

My experience with "The shred:" I began as obese at 335 lbs. I lost about 60 lbs of that through diet alone before I began doing any form of regular exercise. I tried a few different video programs but ultimately I decided to research the science behind fitness and start putting together my own programs. At about 245 lbs (still very much overweight but a lot fitter than I used to be) I decided to see what the big deal was with 30DS. I got about two weeks into it trying to use various levels of weight but got no real burn out of it. I lost a few inches but the fact that I saw no gains pertaining to real performance in those two weeks, no athletic gains, no increases in lifting strength or stamina or . . anything, really, made the inches lost seem totally unimportant. It's no secret as to why. Most of the resistance exercises she has you doing are isolation exercises, and compound exercises must be done with very very heavy work loads in order to see the benefit that comes from doing compound exercises.

What business is of yours what motivates other people? Why bother judging that? Other than make you feel superior?

I do Jillian Michael's videos because they work for me -- somebody who is pretty close (+8 pounds) to a healthy weight that just wants to be firm up. Just because I don't want to be a world class athlete doesn't mean I'm not interested in my health. I get they don't work for you and your personal goals -- so why not just explain why they don't work for you rather than bash other people in the process?

As I said above, vanity. It represents everything that's wrong with fitness today. The people who do it for vanity are more likely to adopt self destructive behaviors, more likely to quit, less likely to research, and they're the people fueling companies like Beachbody's MLM giant who thrive on keeping the idea alive that you can be fit without acquiring the knowledge that backs it. There's a science behind all of this stuff that everyone--EVERYONE--who so much as touches a weight set should learn a bit about before they get into it. You'll all be that much better for it. And the people not willing to do that should not be catered to. Knowledge is power.