Weak back and core. Exercises to strengthen please.

HappilyLifts
HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
edited December 2024 in Fitness and Exercise
I need some advice. I think I have a weak core and lower back. If I try core exercises they hurt my lower back, even when I focus on pulling my tummy muscles in really hard.

Please could I have some suggestions of good, maybe beginner, moves I can practice to strengthen both core and lower back.

At the moment, on the advice of a trainer at the gym, I am trying 'oyster' leg moves and bridges, the trainer also thinks my glutes may also be weak, hence the oyster moves. I can hold planks for about 20 secs from my elbows, they don't hurt my back, everything else just trembles :-) I also try slow toe-taps but can't manage more than 4 each side.

So far I have tried tiny crunch moves and I have tried lying on my back with my knees in the air, shins at right angles to the floor and slowly lowering both legs to the right, back to centre, then left. My back hurts before my tummy muscles do and I can only manage a few. I have also tried small crunches on an exercise ball. I cannot do one full sit up! All of these give me some pain in my lower back.

Help! :-)

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  • Witchmoo
    Witchmoo Posts: 261 Member
    I had a physio make me order a 'wobble cushion' which you can get from Amazon.....the standing on the wobblyness makes your core work for balance and could be a good start.....it was recommended to me to help strengthen my core for lower back problems....
  • BerryH
    BerryH Posts: 4,698 Member
    Try sitting crunches. Sit in a dining chair and hold on to the seat then bring your knees in towards the body. Should help you build up to floor ones without straining your back.
  • Yoga, yoga, yoga, yoga!
  • Kara_xxx
    Kara_xxx Posts: 635 Member
    Yoga, yoga, yoga, yoga!

    pilates pilates pilates. :wink:
  • bakz4
    bakz4 Posts: 64 Member
    I've been using this website (fitnessblender.com) for my lower back, which is very weak. Now, while the video says it's for sciatica, it really stretches the lower back .. and you only do what you can. It's still tough for me, but I can feel it getting better.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CbZzeO4P9YA

    Or try this:
    http://www.fitnessblender.com/v/exercise-detail/Lower-Back-Stretching-Routine/b5/#.UAKyM369vRo.facebook

    Good luck!!:wink:
  • bathsheba_c
    bathsheba_c Posts: 1,873 Member
    bump
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    I had a physio make me order a 'wobble cushion' which you can get from Amazon.....the standing on the wobblyness makes your core work for balance and could be a good start.....it was recommended to me to help strengthen my core for lower back problems....
    never heard of these! Although I do stand on some half-balls which wobble when I do my arm work so that I'm working my legs too, but it doesn't sound like the same thing. Do you have a link, or a product name so that I can look it up?
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    Try sitting crunches. Sit in a dining chair and hold on to the seat then bring your knees in towards the body. Should help you build up to floor ones without straining your back.
    thanks Berry, I will try that!
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    Yoga, yoga, yoga, yoga!
    I have never done yoga, I would have no idea where to start! I'm such an all guns blazing workout girl that I find it hard to do anything slow :laugh:
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    pilates pilates pilates. :wink:
    I did try a pilates class three times, but alot of what she was talking us through hurt my back, even when she gave me a towel to place beneath my lower back. I haven't been back since, maybe I should persevere but the trainer said if anything hurt my back I should stop.
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    I've been using this website (fitnessblender.com) for my lower back, which is very weak. Now, while the video says it's for sciatica, it really stretches the lower back .. and you only do what you can. It's still tough for me, but I can feel it getting better.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CbZzeO4P9YA

    Or try this:
    http://www.fitnessblender.com/v/exercise-detail/Lower-Back-Stretching-Routine/b5/#.UAKyM369vRo.facebook

    Good luck!!:wink:
    thank you, I will take a look at those :-)
  • cosworzel
    cosworzel Posts: 2 Member
    Pilates! The whole focus of Pilates is the core and if you get a good teacher they will be able to help you gradually strengthen.
  • PJ64
    PJ64 Posts: 866 Member
    I had a physio make me order a 'wobble cushion' which you can get from Amazon.....the standing on the wobblyness makes your core work for balance and could be a good start.....it was recommended to me to help strengthen my core for lower back problems....


    This and planks!
  • phillieschic
    phillieschic Posts: 615
    PLANKS!

    You won't believe the power of a plank!
  • kcmcd
    kcmcd Posts: 239 Member
    Yoga, yoga, yoga, yoga!

    pilates pilates pilates. :wink:

    Amen.
  • kikih64
    kikih64 Posts: 349 Member
    Try some moves on a stability ball....I don't know what the exercise is called, but it's like a reverse crunch...really works the back.
  • geordiegirl27
    geordiegirl27 Posts: 307 Member
    yoga or pilates, but as a beginner you really need to find a class rather than trying to do it yourself so you know what you need to be doing. You could try googling yoga and get some ideas of the things you need to do.

    the weak core is causing the bad back so I hope you can get to a class somewhere. Its the kind of thing you'll feel the benefit from quite quickly, it relaxes you and will help with all your other activities.

    the wobble board is a bit like an upside down ball cut in half with a piece to stand on the idea is you stand on (for example) your right leg and try not to wobble. you need to engage your core to be able to do it. It would also strengthen your ankles.

    but rather than buying this straight off you could try this with a cushion 1st as it will be slightly easier until you get control.
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    I've been using this website (fitnessblender.com) for my lower back, which is very weak. Now, while the video says it's for sciatica, it really stretches the lower back .. and you only do what you can. It's still tough for me, but I can feel it getting better.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CbZzeO4P9YA

    Or try this:
    http://www.fitnessblender.com/v/exercise-detail/Lower-Back-Stretching-Routine/b5/#.UAKyM369vRo.facebook

    Good luck!!:wink:
    thank you, I will take a look at those :-)

    I like the look of those. This might be a silly question, but does stretching also strengthen?
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    PLANKS!

    You won't believe the power of a plank!
    I'm working on them! :-)
  • Does your gym have Aquafit classes or any water classes that work the core and back? I take Aquafit at LA Fitness a couple of times a week, and I've seen huge improvements in my core and lower back without pain that way!

    I also recommend pilates, but a gym pilates class may be too much for you. I'm new in Pilates and take my gym's class, but the teacher is very good about showing modifications for beginners. Moreover, I've done a lot of research into basic beginning exercises. This site is great because it has over fifty free exercise videos explaining basic pilates here:

    http://www.pilatesanytime.com/Pilates-Exercises

    This woman also has a lot of good free pilates videos on YouTube:

    http://blogilates.com/

    Here's an example: http://youtu.be/lCg_gh_fppI

    As for yoga, be careful with your back. Yoga can be awesome, but it can also be really hard. Try to find a deep stretch yoga, not one that requires a lot of athleticism, until your core and back strengthen. And don't ever let anyone push on you. I think it's great that your trainer is supportive and aware! :)

    Good luck! I really hope you can try Aquafit! It's a lot of fun and you get a total workout. A lot of people don't seem to take it seriously, because it's usually mostly older people in the classes, but it's great for all ages!
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    Yoga, yoga, yoga, yoga!
    I have never done yoga, I would have no idea where to start! I'm such an all guns blazing workout girl that I find it hard to do anything slow :laugh:

    http://yoga.about.com/ is a great place to start, as you can filter by anatomy. You can build your routines based on the areas you need to work on, or just randomly do a pose throughout the day. :smile: I usually use Yoga as my stretching routine, so you don't feel like your workout itself is going slow. Classes are great, too, of course, and can help you get the poses correct. Make sure you look for slow-paced ones such as Hatha or Iyengar, and avoid the Ashtanga and "Hot" styles (they're more for advanced practicers).

    Also, I found bellydancing to work wonders for the lower back and abs, since it's all about isolating the muscles around the hips. Check out your local community center for both yoga and bellydance classes. You'd probably like a good cabaret bellydance class, because it's very upbeat, but generally low-impact. If you have cable TV, check out your free on-demand listing. Oftentimes, they have programs for yoga and/or bellydancing, which can help if you don't have access to a class.

    You can also do traditional weightlifting, but the safety of that probably depends on how strong you already are. If you can't handle a standard Olympic barbell (45lbs) for things like squats or deadlifts, then you might do yourself more harm than good. If you can lift that, then things like deadlifts, barbell squats, and rows can help build your core (don't use a Smith machine, though, it only allows the barbell to go up and down, which not only puts you in weird positions, but doesn't allow you to build those all-important stabilizing muscles).

    If you don't have access to weights, you can also do bodyweight stuff. Squats are a great full-body workout, as long as you have your form right. Others also mentioned planks, which are probably the gods of core work. Pushups can also help with your core, as well. If you have access to one of those bodyweight station things (has a pullup bar, a place for dips, etc), then hanging leg lifts are great, too.

    Are you doing the crunches/situps at the guidance of your trainer? If not, then I'd probably forego them entirely, or at least check with him/her to make sure you're doing them right. It's surprisingly easy to get them wrong and do more harm than good to your body, which might be why they hurt your back. They're also not really necessary if you're doing the other stuff (above) with any regularity.

    On a side note, if you're an "all guns blazing" type of person, your workout speed might be hindering your cause. Depending on what you're doing, you might be injuring your body or doing things the wrong way, risking injury and keeping you from seeing real strength gains. With building strength, slow, controlled movements beat fast, uncontrolled ones any day. If you want to see the difference, take one of your usual weighted exercises where you have a given number of repititions, and slow downs those reps so that each half of the movement takes no less than 3-5 seconds (ie - say you're bench pressing, the act of bringing the bar down to your chest takes 5 seconds, and the act of pushing it back up takes another 3 seconds). Try doing your normal rep range. You will very likely find that it's quite a bit harder.

    Also, take a look at what you do outside of your workouts, especially if you have a desk job. Make sure to check your posture periodically and sit/stand up straight. Slouching weakens your core muscles, since they do less work. Straightening up will not only force them to strengthen at least enough to hold yourself upright for hours on end, but will also improve your breathing and circulation, which have their own health benefits.
  • Southernb3lle
    Southernb3lle Posts: 862 Member
    I have always had problems with my back due to having scoliosis. But since I started doing Pauline Nordin's Butt Bible workout it has helped it tremendously. One move that I solely believe has improved my back is something she calls the superwomen. You lie on your stomach and just lift your chest and back down. Simple move with a lot of benefit. Try that out and see how you feel. :)
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    Does your gym have Aquafit classes or any water classes that work the core and back? I take Aquafit at LA Fitness a couple of times a week, and I've seen huge improvements in my core and lower back without pain that way!

    I also recommend pilates, but a gym pilates class may be too much for you. I'm new in Pilates and take my gym's class, but the teacher is very good about showing modifications for beginners. Moreover, I've done a lot of research into basic beginning exercises. This site is great because it has over fifty free exercise videos explaining basic pilates here:

    http://www.pilatesanytime.com/Pilates-Exercises

    This woman also has a lot of good free pilates videos on YouTube:

    http://blogilates.com/

    Here's an example: http://youtu.be/lCg_gh_fppI

    As for yoga, be careful with your back. Yoga can be awesome, but it can also be really hard. Try to find a deep stretch yoga, not one that requires a lot of athleticism, until your core and back strengthen. And don't ever let anyone push on you. I think it's great that your trainer is supportive and aware! :)

    Good luck! I really hope you can try Aquafit! It's a lot of fun and you get a total workout. A lot of people don't seem to take it seriously, because it's usually mostly older people in the classes, but it's great for all ages!

    the gym I attend is only a small concern, nothing like LA Ftiness so no pool. But thank you for the links, I will check them out. Going on holiday soon and we'll have a private pool so maybe I could look up some moves to try in the pool while I'm away.
  • Determinednoob
    Determinednoob Posts: 2,001 Member
    Squats, deadlifts, glute ham raises, hyperextensions, good mornings, any ab exercise
  • wellbur
    wellbur Posts: 240 Member
    bump
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    Yoga, yoga, yoga, yoga!
    I have never done yoga, I would have no idea where to start! I'm such an all guns blazing workout girl that I find it hard to do anything slow :laugh:
    http://yoga.about.com/ is a great place to start
    Also, I found bellydancing to work wonders for the lower back and abs, since it's all about isolating the muscles around the hips. Check out your local community center for both yoga and bellydance classes. You'd probably like a good cabaret bellydance class, because it's very upbeat, but generally low-impact. If you have cable TV, check out your free on-demand listing. Oftentimes, they have programs for yoga and/or bellydancing, which can help if you don't have access to a class.
    No bellydancing classes round here and nothing on my TV package but I will look on You Tube, sounds fun!
    You can also do traditional weightlifting, but the safety of that probably depends on how strong you already are. If you can't handle a standard Olympic barbell (45lbs) for things like squats or deadlifts, then you might do yourself more harm than good. If you can lift that, then things like deadlifts, barbell squats, and rows can help build your core (don't use a Smith machine, though, it only allows the barbell to go up and down, which not only puts you in weird positions, but doesn't allow you to build those all-important stabilizing muscles).

    If you don't have access to weights, you can also do bodyweight stuff. Squats are a great full-body workout, as long as you have your form right. Others also mentioned planks, which are probably the gods of core work. Pushups can also help with your core, as well. If you have access to one of those bodyweight station things (has a pullup bar, a place for dips, etc), then hanging leg lifts are great, too.
    I started doing strength training in January. All body weight and dumbbell based. I am rather good at squats and lunges (yeah, good at something, and that's my trainers opinion! :happy: ). I haven't used barbells yet, but I get a 6 weekly update on my program so I will use them one day no doubt.
    Are you doing the crunches/situps at the guidance of your trainer?
    yes, the last few days I have been questioning her when they have been hurting and she has checked my form. She's great, I trust her, and she thinks best to stay away from crunches for now and try some basic pilates, she said she will have a think about some more things to try, but she may forget, hence asking here on MFP for other things I can try.
    On a side note, if you're an "all guns blazing" type of person, your workout speed might be hindering your cause.
    possible....I am doing some tabata work on the cross trainer and stationary bike.
    Depending on what you're doing, you might be injuring your body or doing things the wrong way, risking injury and keeping you from seeing real strength gains.
    I'm hoping this isn't the case, the trainer has watched me run through my program and I know she does referrals for patients with very limited mobility so I'm sure she has the knowledge and experience not to misguide me.
    With building strength, slow, controlled movements beat fast, uncontrolled ones any day.
    there, the trainer does know what she is talking about, she is always telling me to slow my movements down, particularly with dumbbell work! My aim is to focus on,m what are they called....accentric and concentric moves? Something like that anyway! I'm sure I've got those terms wrong! basically if doing a dumbbell curl I have to focus on both moves...pulling my forearm up to my bicep AND on the lowering of my forearm.
    If you want to see the difference, take one of your usual weighted exercises where you have a given number of repititions, and slow downs those reps so that each half of the movement takes no less than 3-5 seconds (ie - say you're bench pressing, the act of bringing the bar down to your chest takes 5 seconds, and the act of pushing it back up takes another 3 seconds). Try doing your normal rep range. You will very likely find that it's quite a bit harder.
    you're so right! It is! Must also remember to focus on pulling in my core for all the lifting moves.
    Also, take a look at what you do outside of your workouts, especially if you have a desk job. Make sure to check your posture periodically and sit/stand up straight. Slouching weakens your core muscles, since they do less work. Straightening up will not only force them to strengthen at least enough to hold yourself upright for hours on end, but will also improve your breathing and circulation, which have their own health benefits.
    *hands up* guilty. I have terrible sitting and standing posture. I tend to hold a good posture at the gym (it's those mirrors, ugh!) and forget when I'm at home. I can go from looking pregnant to almost having visible hip bones if I remember to suck it in and contract the belly muscles.

    Lots to think about, thank you!:flowerforyou:
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    I have always had problems with my back due to having scoliosis. But since I started doing Pauline Nordin's Butt Bible workout it has helped it tremendously. One move that I solely believe has improved my back is something she calls the superwomen. You lie on your stomach and just lift your chest and back down. Simple move with a lot of benefit. Try that out and see how you feel. :)
    thanks, I'll see if that is available in the UK and note down the superwoman move.
  • HappilyLifts
    HappilyLifts Posts: 429 Member
    Squats, deadlifts, glute ham raises, hyperextensions, good mornings, any ab exercise
    I know what three of those are, I will go Google hyperextensions and good mornings! Thanks.
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