How fast do women put on muscle?

I am going to start doing weights with my Jillian Michaels exercise videos but have a couple questions.

1. How long does it take a woman to put on one pound of muscle?
2. How long after strength training or how much muscle do you need to gain, for the new muscle to speed up your metabolism and start burning more fat faster?

Aslo- will 5 and 8 pound weights be enough to to tighten everything up?

Thanks for the help!:wink:
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  • You asked short questions with a significant lack of detail, so I'm going to give you short answers:

    1. There is no way to answer that question accurately.

    2. There is no way to answer that question accurately.

    3. No.

    All of this depends WHOLLY on diet, intensity level, amount of weight and reps lifted, your own genetic makeup and hormonal patterns and about a dozen other things. However, I can assure you that you will never put any significant amount of stress on your muscles (except maybe your side delts for the first week) with only 5 and 8 lb weights.
  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    From all I've read:

    Probably 12 pounds a year for the first year, if eating at a *solid calorie surplus* and training -very hard.- (read: squats and deads, Bench and row. Press and cleans.)

    Then maybe 6 pounds the next year.
    Then less, and less, and less as time goes on.

    6-8lb weights are pretty much only good for holding paper down. You need to start moving 100+lbs using compound, multi-joint exercises if you want maximal gains.
  • Easywider
    Easywider Posts: 434 Member


    1. How long does it take a woman to put on one pound of muscle?
    2. How long after strength training or how much muscle do you need to gain, for the new muscle to speed up your metabolism and start burning more fat faster?

    Aslo- will 5 and 8 pound weights be enough to to tighten everything up?

    1. It's going to be impossible to give you an exact duration due to the many..many variables. It really hinges on your endocrine system, namely hormonal production and your current blood work values...along with all the basic measurements. However if I was going to venture a hypothesis...I'd say at max 1.2-1.5lbs of muscle per month...an average of about .5-=.75 per month.

    2. That's going to come in time as a result of body re-composition...Once you've added at least 10lbs of lbm or dropped a significant percentage of BF (depending on where your at now) you'll be able to up your calories a little bit to compensate for the extra lean mass your carrying around. Your actions/inaction will greatly effect the efficiency of your metabolism.

    3. Probably not..Unless you're profoundly frail.
  • bagge72
    bagge72 Posts: 1,377 Member
    1.) if you are losing weight, and on a deficit you wont put on any new muscle, just make the muscle you have a little bigger, and stronger. It is said that pro women lifters who have ideal situations can put on a lb a month, but that is following a strict diet, and exercise plan.

    2.) I don't know if there is a way to know this, but in reality the amount it speeds up your metabolism isn't really that much.

    3.) To tighten everything you up, you need to go big or go home, and no this wont make you bulky.

    So Doing weights with Jillian wont really do that much more for you excepty make you burn more calories at the time, and if you lose enough fat make you look ripped. You would need to get in a gym with a real training program to see any real results.
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Doing the Jillian michaels videos you will most likely not add any muscle mass, as the type of lifting is for endurance, not strength or Hypertrophy (muscle building). You may gain a very small amount (couple of pounds) at first as you are new to strength training but that will go away quickly. Not to mention it is next to impossible to build muscle while in a caloric deficit (losing weight)

    As for your second question, you need a lot of extra lean muscle to really make a difference in your BMR and metabolism. 20-30 lbs would probably make quite a difference, but 3-5lbs, not so much.
  • kierstin1976
    kierstin1976 Posts: 123 Member
    I have been trying to put on muscle weight for over a month now eating between 2,000-2,200 calories a day. I have gained a pound and I lift heavy not 5-8lbs. I don't know if it's just water weight but getting lean muscle takes time.
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member


    1. How long does it take a woman to put on one pound of muscle?
    2. How long after strength training or how much muscle do you need to gain, for the new muscle to speed up your metabolism and start burning more fat faster?

    Aslo- will 5 and 8 pound weights be enough to to tighten everything up?

    1. It's going to be impossible to give you an exact duration due to the many..many variables. It really hinges on your endocrine system, namely hormonal production and your current blood work values...along with all the basic measurements. However if I was going to venture a hypothesis...I'd say at max 1.2-1.5lbs of muscle per month...an average of about .5-=.75 per month.

    2. That's going to come in time as a result of body re-composition...Once you've added at least 10lbs of lbm or dropped a significant percentage of BF (depending on where your at now) you'll be able to up your calories a little bit to compensate for the extra lean mass your carrying around. Your actions/inaction will greatly effect the efficiency of your metabolism.

    3. Probably not..Unless you're profoundly frail.

    Your #1 would also assume a caloric surplus, without the surplus you may just stop the loss of your current lean muscle or at least reduce the amount you lose while in a deficit.
  • drmryder
    drmryder Posts: 181 Member
    Plan on buying heavier dumbbells soon after you start. You will find that 5-8 pounds will stop being a challenge and if you can do 15 reps easily, you need to increase your weights. If you want to plan or purchase dumbbells now, I'd say get them up to 25# for now. i.e. I curl 20#, triceps 12-15# and do back flies/lawnmowers at 25# (soon to increase).

    Everyone is different when it comes to metabolism kicking in once you start lifting. I wish it was a set time/number. Point is just get started and be patient and everything will come together for you. Women don't bulk up unless they do it on purpose with nutrition and hard core workouts.
  • Giraffe33991
    Giraffe33991 Posts: 430 Member
    5-8 pound dumbells are perfect for starting Jillian Michaels workouts. You may not bulk up for a body building competition, but you will certainly add defitition and get nice and firm. As you progress through her worlouts you can always add more weights.


    Good luck!
  • It honestly doesn't matter how much weight you use, technically you can tighten EVERYTHING up just by using your own body weight! If you're looking to be tight and lean then you want low weight high reps :))
    If it's bulk you're looking for then you want high weight low reps.

    Add me if you want, I'm here for support and to answer any questions you have!
  • You asked short questions with a significant lack of detail, so I'm going to give you short answers:

    1. There is no way to answer that question accurately.

    2. There is no way to answer that question accurately.

    3. No.

    All of this depends WHOLLY on diet, intensity level, amount of weight and reps lifted, your own genetic makeup and hormonal patterns and about a dozen other things. However, I can assure you that you will never put any significant amount of stress on your muscles (except maybe your side delts for the first week) with only 5 and 8 lb weights.

    YES YES YES and YES. Listen to this person.
  • hottottie11
    hottottie11 Posts: 907 Member
    Bulking myths just won't die.
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    I just started doing toning exercises this year, such as 30 DS. . I saw progress after a week and several months later, I can tell drastically how my body has changed. I have more toned arms, legs, chest and less flabby fat. I do a bit less cardio but the change in my body is amazing! Same size, same weight, just looks better!
  • zenchild
    zenchild Posts: 680 Member
    I have 6 JM DVDs. I've been doing two levels a day (about an hour), 6 days a week since April. My calves are fantastic. They are much more defined. I have a brand-new hard bulgy spot on the backs of my lower thighs. My thighs are smaller and I can feel more muscle under the (shrinking) layer of fat. The pudge around my middle is moving. Instead of an all-around spare tire I now have love handles and a bit in the middle. The space between each handle and the middle is concave (!!!) and the bits above and below the middle are hard and flat. There's even a line going all the way down the center. My upper arms are much firmer when relaxed and I have a noticeable bicep when I flex.
    I'm netting around 1200 calories a day. I make sure to get plenty of protein and fiber. I drink tea and water throughout the day. I am getting stronger. My muscles can do things they couldn't do in April. I'm doing real push-ups now. I can go all the way down in squats and do the entire set. I've also lost 12 pounds.
    There are plenty of people who will say I'm doing it wrong. But really, my muscles are bigger and my belly is smaller. I'd say I'm doing just fine.
  • TXHunny84
    TXHunny84 Posts: 503 Member
    Wow - umm ok.... I don't have access to a gym nor do I have the money to get 100+ lbs in weights.... Do the weights have to be that high? I'm at 23.5% BF so I was trying mostly just help get the last of the fat off by introducing strength training instead of doing primarily cardio....
  • TXHunny84
    TXHunny84 Posts: 503 Member
    I have 6 JM DVDs. I've been doing two levels a day (about an hour), 6 days a week since April. My calves are fantastic. They are much more defined. I have a brand-new hard bulgy spot on the backs of my lower thighs. My thighs are smaller and I can feel more muscle under the (shrinking) layer of fat. The pudge around my middle is moving. Instead of an all-around spare tire I now have love handles and a bit in the middle. The space between each handle and the middle is concave (!!!) and the bits above and below the middle are hard and flat. There's even a line going all the way down the center. My upper arms are much firmer when relaxed and I have a noticeable bicep when I flex.
    I'm netting around 1200 calories a day. I make sure to get plenty of protein and fiber. I drink tea and water throughout the day. I am getting stronger. My muscles can do things they couldn't do in April. I'm doing real push-ups now. I can go all the way down in squats and do the entire set. I've also lost 12 pounds.
    There are plenty of people who will say I'm doing it wrong. But really, my muscles are bigger and my belly is smaller. I'd say I'm doing just fine.

    AWESOME! Thatnk you!! This is what I am wanting to do- rotate her dvds for a total body workout but changing up the workouts so my body doesn't plateau! What dvds do you have and what order do you do them in?
  • mandylooo
    mandylooo Posts: 456 Member


    6-8lb weights are pretty much only good for holding paper down. You need to start moving 100+lbs using compound, multi-joint exercises if you want maximal gains.

    Don't "start" lifting 100lbs - you probably need to build up to it. Try somewhere between 10 - 20lbs and work out what is heavy for you by increasing from there.
  • chrishgt4
    chrishgt4 Posts: 1,222 Member
    No one can really tell you what weight you should be lifting, but for hypertrophy the weight should be such that you can do between 8 and 12 reps where you fail and physically cannot move the weight after your last rep.
  • gxm17
    gxm17 Posts: 374
    Wow - umm ok.... I don't have access to a gym nor do I have the money to get 100+ lbs in weights.... Do the weights have to be that high? I'm at 23.5% BF so I was trying mostly just help get the last of the fat off by introducing strength training instead of doing primarily cardio....

    Do the weights have to be that high? Absolutely not. You can get lean and toned with lighter weights. You just have to do higher reps.
  • wellbert
    wellbert Posts: 3,924 Member
    For maximal muscle development, yes.
    You can still be thin, "toned" and look great. You just won't maximize your muscle development.
  • PANZERIA
    PANZERIA Posts: 471 Member
    *insert a 'beating a dead horse' joke here*
  • fbmandy55
    fbmandy55 Posts: 5,263 Member
    Wow - umm ok.... I don't have access to a gym nor do I have the money to get 100+ lbs in weights.... Do the weights have to be that high? I'm at 23.5% BF so I was trying mostly just help get the last of the fat off by introducing strength training instead of doing primarily cardio....

    I have 5, 10 and 35lb weights! If you do enough reps, you will feel it with the 5 pounders!
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Wow - umm ok.... I don't have access to a gym nor do I have the money to get 100+ lbs in weights.... Do the weights have to be that high? I'm at 23.5% BF so I was trying mostly just help get the last of the fat off by introducing strength training instead of doing primarily cardio....

    Do the weights have to be that high? Absolutely not. You can get lean and toned with lighter weights. You just have to do higher reps.

    This is not correct, higher than 15-20 reps range is just for endurance and will not be that different than doing just cardio. If it appeared to work for you it was because you lost the fat over the muscle.
  • PANZERIA
    PANZERIA Posts: 471 Member
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  • gxm17
    gxm17 Posts: 374
    Wow - umm ok.... I don't have access to a gym nor do I have the money to get 100+ lbs in weights.... Do the weights have to be that high? I'm at 23.5% BF so I was trying mostly just help get the last of the fat off by introducing strength training instead of doing primarily cardio....

    Do the weights have to be that high? Absolutely not. You can get lean and toned with lighter weights. You just have to do higher reps.

    This is not correct, higher than 15-20 reps range is just for endurance and will not be that different than doing just cardio. If it appeared to work for you it was because you lost the fat over the muscle.

    I really don't want to get in a war of the studies, but:

    "In a series of experiments, Burd and colleagues tweaked some resistance-exercise variables to see which had the greatest effect on building muscle mass. More repetitions with lighter weights can build muscle as well as heavier weights -- assuming they are done to the point of exercise-induced fatigue. And fatigue is the important point. That means even with light weight, the last two to three reps should be hard."

    http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20120427/high-reps-with-low-weights-builds-muscle-too

    It's all good. Folks who want to lift heavy, can lift heavy. And the folks who want to lift light, can lift light. Have no fear of the lighter weight, higher rep workout, you will get results (although IMO it's harder than lifting heavy).
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    I am going to start doing weights with my Jillian Michaels exercise videos but have a couple questions.

    1. How long does it take a woman to put on one pound of muscle?
    2. How long after strength training or how much muscle do you need to gain, for the new muscle to speed up your metabolism and start burning more fat faster?

    Aslo- will 5 and 8 pound weights be enough to to tighten everything up?

    Thanks for the help!:wink:

    1 - WAAAY more slowly than most people want, or are willing to believe. .5lb per month is pretty good for most people. But as others have said, it depends on a ton of different factors - some you can control, some you can't.

    2 - while it's true that muscle does require more cals to sustain itself than does fat, please don't think that by adding 5 or even 10 lbs of muscle you're suddenly going to turn your body into a calorie burning machine. The difference isn't that significant.

    Lastly, Jillian DVDs isn't the best way to add muscle. Those DVDs are more cardio based than strength. With a good diet and good genetics, could you gain a little muscle? Sure... but by the sounds of things, you're not going to see the results you want.
  • waldo56
    waldo56 Posts: 1,861 Member
    I put this in another thread as well, but here is a list of low-no equipment (pullup bar, smaller dumbbells, gymnastics rings for some of the really advanced stuff), strength training exercises that I put together (google should explain any of them) that should take anybody from easy to the equivalent of moving hundreds of pounds in the weight room:

    Upper Body Horizontal Push:

    Easy/Remedial: Wall Pushup, Knee Pushup, Incline Pushups, Pushups

    Moderate: Decline Pushups, Diamond Pushups, Divebomber Pushups, Uneven Pushups, Typerwriter Pushups, Incline One Arm Pushups, Clap Pushups, Planche Lean, Tuck Back Lever

    Difficult: One Arm Pushups, Decline One Arm Pushups, Pseudo Planche Pushups, Pseudo Maltese Pushups, One Leg Back Lever, Straddle Back Lever, Back Lever, Tuck Planche Hold/Pushups, Straddle Planche Hold/Pushups, Full Planche Hold/Pushups

    Assistance: DB Flys, Crow/Frog Stand, Straight Arm Frog Stand, German Hang

    Upper Body Vertical Push:

    Easy/Remedial: PB Support

    Moderate: DB OHP, Handstand, Dip, Weighted Dips, Bar Dip, Pike Pushup, Headstand Pushup, Headstand Press

    Difficult: L-Sit, Freestanding Handstand, Handstand Pushup, Handstand Press, Human Flag Tuck/Full

    Assistance: Headstand

    Upper Body Multiplane Push:

    Difficult: L-Sit to Handstand Press, 90 Degree Pushups

    Upper Body Horizontal Pull:

    Easy/Remedial: DB Rows, Inverted Rows

    Moderate: Tuck Front Lever

    Difficult: Tuck Front Lever Rows, One Leg Front Lever Hold/Rows, Straddle Front Lever Hold/Rows, Front Lever Hold/Rows, Victorian

    Upper Body Vertical Pull:

    Easy: Chair Assist Pullup/Chinup, Negative Pullup/Chinup

    Moderate: Chinup, Pullup, Towel Pullups, Leg Assist Rope Climb, Rock Climbing

    Difficult: Uneven Chinups, One Arm Chinup Negatives, One Arm Chinup, BW Curl, Arm Only Rope Climb

    Assistance: Dead Hang, Inverted Hang, DB Curl

    Upper Body Multiplane Pull:

    Easy: Skin the Cat

    Moderate: Bent Leg Middle Split Hold

    Difficult: V-Sit, Middle Split Hold, Manna, Front Lever Pulls, Crank

    Combined Upper Body:

    Difficult: Muscle-Up, Elevator

    Legs Vertical Force (Jump):

    Easy/Remedial: Wall Sit, BW Squat, BW Lunge, DB Squat

    Moderate: Jump Squat, Pistol Squat, Falling Tower, Weighted Lunges, DB Split Squat

    Difficult: Shrimp Squat, DB Pistol Squat, Jumping Pistol Squat, Jumping Shrimp Squat, BW Leg Extensions

    Assistance Exercises: DB Extension/Stall

    Legs Horizontal Force (Run):

    Easy/Remedial - BW Straight Leg Deadlift, Bridge, Straight Bridge, Bounding, Side Leg Lift

    Moderate - BW One Leg Straight Leg Deadlift, DB One Leg Straight Leg Deadlift, One Leg Bridge, One Leg Straight Bridge, DB Hip Thrust, DB One Leg Hip Thrust, Assisted Glute-Ham Raise/Stall, BW Good Morning

    Difficult - Glute-Ham Raise

    All (difficulty scales) - Sprints, Hill Sprints, Stair Runs, Weighted Sprints, Sled/Car Pull/Push

    Core Ab Dominant:

    Easy - Crunch, Situp, Plank, Knee Lift

    Moderate - Hanging Knee Lift, Incline Situp, Hollow Hold, Boat, Touch the Sky, Hanging Leg Lift, Bicycle Crunch, Bent Leg Straddle L, Tuck Dragon Flag, Floor Wipers

    Difficult -L-sit, V-sit, Straddle L, Dragon Flag, Body Lever, Hanging Situp, Front Lever var.

    Core Back Dominant:

    Easy - Bridge, Straight Bridge (Reverse Plank)

    Moderate - Superman Hold, Full Bridge, Elbow Lever

    Hard - One Arm Elbow Lever, Stand to Stand Bridge, Bridge to Handstand, Back Lever var.

    Core Oblique Dominant:

    Easy - Side Bends, Twisting Yoga Poses (many)

    Moderate - Floor Wipers, Side Plank

    Hard - Human Flag Tuck/Full, Side Lever Pulls

    ..................................................................................
    I'm sure I'm leaving off a lot of stuff, especially the easy and obscenely hard, but that is a pretty good overview of what is possible. Most people will never run out of resistance. Though heavy back squats and deadlifts are a nice addition. Most of the tough stuff is from gymnastics. In many ways men's gymnastics can be viewed as bodyweight powerlifting, iron powerlifters can move more total weight, gymnasts are stronger relative to their size. A lot of the tougher stuff is so tough that there is no record of a female actually being strong enough to perform.

    As far as programming, there aren't any good comprehensive systems out there that are friendly to all levels, this article is about as good of an overview of programming as it gets:
    http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/3/the-fundamentals-of-bodyweight-strength-training/
  • waldo56
    waldo56 Posts: 1,861 Member
    Wow - umm ok.... I don't have access to a gym nor do I have the money to get 100+ lbs in weights.... Do the weights have to be that high? I'm at 23.5% BF so I was trying mostly just help get the last of the fat off by introducing strength training instead of doing primarily cardio....

    Do the weights have to be that high? Absolutely not. You can get lean and toned with lighter weights. You just have to do higher reps.

    This is not correct, higher than 15-20 reps range is just for endurance and will not be that different than doing just cardio. If it appeared to work for you it was because you lost the fat over the muscle.

    I really don't want to get in a war of the studies, but:

    "In a series of experiments, Burd and colleagues tweaked some resistance-exercise variables to see which had the greatest effect on building muscle mass. More repetitions with lighter weights can build muscle as well as heavier weights -- assuming they are done to the point of exercise-induced fatigue. And fatigue is the important point. That means even with light weight, the last two to three reps should be hard."

    http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20120427/high-reps-with-low-weights-builds-muscle-too

    It's all good. Folks who want to lift heavy, can lift heavy. And the folks who want to lift light, can lift light. Have no fear of the lighter weight, higher rep workout, you will get results (although IMO it's harder than lifting heavy).

    Higher rep ranges are not self progressing. If you stay only in higher rep ranges you will not continue to get stronger and able to increase the weight. Higher rep ranges do cause faster growth, but cannot sustain that growth. Lower rep ranges are self progressing, but the growth is lower. Periodizing the two, either mixed or not, leads to the maximum mass gains, as you are gaining strength to continue to progress the weight in the higher rep ranges where size gains are the greatest.

    This is why 6-10 reps is typically considered "hypertrophy". It is not ideal for size, strength, or endurance, but it is right in the sweet spot between all of them that it is the only rep range that will lead to moderate size, strength, and endurance gains.

    Gains are greater though if the rep ranges are periodized, pretty much every good BBing program peirodizes high and low rep ranges.
  • islandmonkey
    islandmonkey Posts: 546 Member
    The only thing I disagree with is #3. You'll note that all the guys responding think that 5-8 lb weights aren't much - but as a female starting out, this is where you may need to be.

    I've been doing Jillian Michaels for a few weeks with 5 lb weights (and the 30DS also has a lot of weight bearing activities for arms) and saw a difference within a week or two. I've already stepped it up to 8 lb weights though and am almost ready for 10 lbs....eventually you may need to increase your weights, but you can absolutely see some tightening starting with the 5-8 lbs.

    That said...it really, really, really goes depend so much on your individual body for all the other questions. But the guys need to also remember, when answering the question re: 5-8 lbs, that their bodies are very different from a female body. :)

    You asked short questions with a significant lack of detail, so I'm going to give you short answers:

    1. There is no way to answer that question accurately.

    2. There is no way to answer that question accurately.

    3. No.

    All of this depends WHOLLY on diet, intensity level, amount of weight and reps lifted, your own genetic makeup and hormonal patterns and about a dozen other things. However, I can assure you that you will never put any significant amount of stress on your muscles (except maybe your side delts for the first week) with only 5 and 8 lb weights.
  • MrDude_1
    MrDude_1 Posts: 2,510 Member
    I wish I actually put on muscle as fast as women think they will bulk up if they lift heavy.....