Stop trying to eat more protein!

kiraleilani

I found an interesting article today:

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/05/22/stop-trying-eat-more-protein

Discuss!

hardyjessicag

I totally agree- Protein is really good for you, but there is such a thing as too much. It also helps to take it at certain times (like after your workout) to get the full benefits.

You can always have too much protein, just like you can have too much of everything else.

jwdieter

If you feel like the bare minimum is enough, then ok.

dbmata

If you feel like the bare minimum is enough, then ok.

Well, I thought I remembered you saying that you wanted to express yourself.

SteelySunshine

If I am not actively trying to eat more food with protein in it, I will become deficient. Maybe I need more or maybe it's because I really love carbs and I don't have a problem with carbs being the majority of my calories. I am also told that I have a metabolic disorder and eating more protein will help with that. Once I was so severely protein deficient my finger nails were deeply ridged. I added more protein to my diet and they were better in like a month. I still to this day have a problem with eating enough, but I think I do get the bare minimum. BTW this is whether I eat a plant based diet or even if I include meat in my diet. When I was eating meat it wouldn't be odd to me to just have an ounce or two in a day, but it was usually less than even that.

DatMurse

I dont see any citations of any research studies or any credentials of the person creating the article. There is no sufficient evidence of any statement she is creating and she is plagiarizing at this point and spreading horse ****

katy_trail

I dont see any citations of any research studies or any credentials of the person creating the article. There is no sufficient evidence of any statement she is creating and she is plagiarizing at this point and spreading horse ****

YES! thank you.

jaxxie

huh? you mean my word isn't enough?

DatMurse

I totally agree- Protein is really good for you, but there is such a thing as too much. It also helps to take it at certain times (like after your workout) to get the full benefits.

You can always have too much protein, just like you can have too much of everything else.

protein has been evaluated to be in safe consumption up to 1.4(so far)g per lb of bw.

There is nothing bad that can come out of protein consumption in a healthy human being with no underlying medical condition.

Sarauk2sf

- Lack of protein deficiency =/= optimal protein intake
- the RDA numbers are based on very old and flawed methodologies where they used nitrogen balance as a proxy for muscle protein synthesis
- the RDA numbers are with regard to people not on caloric restriction nor exercising with any rigor, both of which increase protein needs
- headline is misleading - they are really talking about the fact that you can get protein from non meat sources
- biased viewpoint considering where the article is from

dbmata

I dont see any citations of any research studies or any credentials of the person creating the article. There is no sufficient evidence of any statement she is creating and she is plagiarizing at this point and spreading horse ****

Of course, that's what most nutrition articles are.

If there ain't a Ph.D. in the byline, it's blog fluff.

Lochlyn_D

I dont see any citations of any research studies or any credentials of the person creating the article. There is no sufficient evidence of any statement she is creating and she is plagiarizing at this point and spreading horse ****

Lyadeia

- Lack of protein deficiency =/= optimal protein intake
- the RDA numbers are based on very old and flawed methodologies where they used nitrogen balance as a proxy for muscle protein synthesis
- the RDA numbers are with regard to people not on caloric restriction nor exercising with any rigor, both of which increase protein needs
- headline is misleading - they are really talking about the fact that you can get protein from non meat sources
- biased viewpoint considering where the article is from

All of this.

And I also agree with the poster who calls BS on the article because of lack of sources and plagiarism.

sozisraw

Basically the surmise is that , where once it was believed that complete protein was needed to be eaten at each meal or day
or the body couldn't use it, that's no longer the case. Therefore the vegan diet is no longer considered automatically deficient in
protein!

DatMurse

Basically the surmise is that , where once it was believed that complete protein was needed to be eaten at each meal or day
or the body couldn't use it, that's no longer the case. Therefore the vegan diet is no longer considered automatically deficient in
protein!

there is such thing as food weak in EAA.
vegan food fits in that category.

sozisraw

That's why I used the word automatically! as quinoa is a complete protein. However although I am mainly vegan myself
I am watching my fitness very closely and my ability with increased strength training and my general health very closely.
Im not afraid to eat other protein sources, definitely not meat.
You seem to know your stuff, does nuts and legumes complete a protein?
As a woman at menopausal age, Im more concerned with maintaining good health than becoming an fitness athlete.

DatMurse

That's why I used the word automatically! as quinoa is a complete protein. However although I am mainly vegan myself
I am watching my fitness very closely and my ability with increased strength training and my general health very closely.
Im not afraid to eat other protein sources, definitely not meat.
You seem to know your stuff, does nuts and legumes complete a protein?
As a woman at menopausal age, Im more concerned with maintaining good health than becoming an fitness athlete.

lol so what does meat have to do with not maintaining good health?

quinoa has a 1:4 ratio and is not a decent source of protein.

sozisraw

That's why I used the word automatically! as quinoa is a complete protein. However although I am mainly vegan myself
I am watching my fitness very closely and my ability with increased strength training and my general health very closely.
Im not afraid to eat other protein sources, definitely not meat.
You seem to know your stuff, does nuts and legumes complete a protein?
As a woman at menopausal age, Im more concerned with maintaining good health than becoming an fitness athlete.

lol so what does meat have to do with not maintaining good health?

quinoa has a 1:4 ratio and is not a decent source of protein.

Ethics everyone is multifaceted, and no time or interest to others to fully explain 'where someone is coming from'.
Also no longer like or want meat, genuinely.

PlayerHatinDogooder

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/05/22/stop-trying-eat-more-protein

^ Dumbest thing I've read so far today.

PlayerHatinDogooder

- Lack of protein deficiency =/= optimal protein intake
- the RDA numbers are based on very old and flawed methodologies where they used nitrogen balance as a proxy for muscle protein synthesis
- the RDA numbers are with regard to people not on caloric restriction nor exercising with any rigor, both of which increase protein needs
- headline is misleading - they are really talking about the fact that you can get protein from non meat sources
- biased viewpoint considering where the article is from

What she said.

Sarauk2sf

That's why I used the word automatically! as quinoa is a complete protein. However although I am mainly vegan myself
I am watching my fitness very closely and my ability with increased strength training and my general health very closely.
Im not afraid to eat other protein sources, definitely not meat.
You seem to know your stuff, does nuts and legumes complete a protein?
As a woman at menopausal age, Im more concerned with maintaining good health than becoming an fitness athlete.

Nuts and legumes complete a protein that are lacking in amino acids that they have. For example, rice lacks enough lycine to make it complete but has all the other EAAs, whereas for example, mushrooms and pinto beans have a good amount of lycine but lack enough methionine to make them complete.

Nutritional yeast is a great thing to add to your diet as it is a complete protein and also is usually fortified with B12. Hemp seeds are also complete proteins.

Vailara

Basically the surmise is that , where once it was believed that complete protein was needed to be eaten at each meal or day
or the body couldn't use it, that's no longer the case. Therefore the vegan diet is no longer considered automatically deficient in
protein!

That's what I took from it too - the title is a little misleading. When I was vegan/vegetarian years ago it was thought that you had to carefully balance the protein sources in each meal, but it looks like that's no longer considered necessary.

sozisraw

That's why I used the word automatically! as quinoa is a complete protein. However although I am mainly vegan myself
I am watching my fitness very closely and my ability with increased strength training and my general health very closely.
Im not afraid to eat other protein sources, definitely not meat.
You seem to know your stuff, does nuts and legumes complete a protein?
As a woman at menopausal age, Im more concerned with maintaining good health than becoming an fitness athlete.

Nuts and legumes complete a protein that are lacking in amino acids that they have. For example, rice lacks enough lycine to make it complete but has all the other EAAs, whereas for example, mushrooms and pinto beans have a good amount of lycine but lack enough methionine to make them complete.

Nutritional yeast is a great thing to add to your diet as it is a complete protein and also is usually fortified with B12. Hemp seeds are also complete proteins.

Thank you very much sarauk ! I am newely vegan this year after 10 or so years as mainly vegetarian. I'm starting heavier lifting program with my pt this week! I am new to this! I've been an aerobic instructor and also up my early 40s a martial artist, so I have fairly good body awareness to monitor my strength abilities and energy levels. I would appreciate yours and side steels opinion on my fat % and muscle form as I hopefully progress , via your group!

Louise1247

isnt the case that the protein you dont use, just comes out in waste?

Sarauk2sf

isnt the case that the protein you dont use, just comes out in waste?

No. Protein is not just used for protein synthesis - it is also used for energy via a process called gluconeogenesis.

talk2elles

The U.S. National Institute of Health published the following article about people needing more protein than currently suggested and also gave optimal amounts.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2666737/

Have a read, it's pretty interesting

blakerb29

This lady has a point but only to an extent.

Those who are very active or weight training probably will have to seek out more protein in their diet, I know if I don't then I ache and my body takes longer to recover.

She also calls bs on amino acids now again, that is true for most people but for those that are active and especially weight training it is invaluable!
Even those on a diet only weight loss program would benefit from amino acids as they help Retain muscle which will break down with a insufficient diet.

Sarauk2sf

That's why I used the word automatically! as quinoa is a complete protein. However although I am mainly vegan myself
I am watching my fitness very closely and my ability with increased strength training and my general health very closely.
Im not afraid to eat other protein sources, definitely not meat.
You seem to know your stuff, does nuts and legumes complete a protein?
As a woman at menopausal age, Im more concerned with maintaining good health than becoming an fitness athlete.

Nuts and legumes complete a protein that are lacking in amino acids that they have. For example, rice lacks enough lycine to make it complete but has all the other EAAs, whereas for example, mushrooms and pinto beans have a good amount of lycine but lack enough methionine to make them complete.

Nutritional yeast is a great thing to add to your diet as it is a complete protein and also is usually fortified with B12. Hemp seeds are also complete proteins.

Thank you very much sarauk ! I am newely vegan this year after 10 or so years as mainly vegetarian. I'm starting heavier lifting program with my pt this week! I am new to this! I've been an aerobic instructor and also up my early 40s a martial artist, so I have fairly good body awareness to monitor my strength abilities and energy levels. I would appreciate yours and side steels opinion on my fat % and muscle form as I hopefully progress , via your group!

You are welcome and thank you. If you get your protein from a mix of different sources throughout the day, you do not need to worry that much about getting complete proteins as the varied diet should take care of that. You do not need to combine in the same meal as your body takes quite a while to digest, absorb and utilize amino acids.

The main issue with vegans re protein is getting enough and staying within a calorie allowance as they are pretty carby or high in fat. I did a thread that gives the protein/calorie ratio, split between meat sources, vegetarian sources and vegan sources that you may find useful here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/926789-protein-sources

neandermagnon

I dont see any citations of any research studies or any credentials of the person creating the article. There is no sufficient evidence of any statement she is creating and she is plagiarizing at this point and spreading horse ****

yeah, one of her citations was an article in the wall street journal LOL....... just book and magazine quotations, nothing academic, no research, just a collection of a few people's opinions. In the comments below a registered dietician respectfully disagrees with her. She speaks a whole lot more sense than the article.

MiamiKid305

A lot of bro science

JJordon

Jane needs to step away from her word processor... quickly.