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TheKingsChampion wrote: »I have similar reactions due to my low blood pressure...easily taken care of by staying hydrated....
As for the sugar eh...I eat a whole chocolate bar everynight and never have had issues.
Question though. What's a whole bar? 200 calories or 2000 calories of the stuff? The sheer quantity might help explain the OP's issues
I can eat 6 cupcakes and be fine. I can eat 200g of chocolate and be fine. I can eat a whole can of caramel and be fine. Or a whole pint of ice cream. But not on the same day.
The challenge I had with my friend had us eat A LOT of sugar. I myself ate a whole cake with frosting, 400g chocolate, half a tray of fudge and a 200g of cookies. I got sick later that night, after which the blackout followed. Next day I was fine.
I do have anemia so I suppose that can contribute. But that's why I said it takes a lot of sugar to have any effect on me. So I don't know I don't eat as much as that challenge everyday. My weekly goal is never more than 100-200g over if it's over at all.
I guess I can also understand the low BP because looking at my diary, for weeks and weeks I have never once hit sodium. I don't even hit half (it's because I cook my own food) and I drink tons of water.
From eating so much sugar you raised your blood glucose WAY high, the next day it went too low, too fast. I imagine that you told the first DR. about your 'SUGAR CHALLENGE" and common sense told this Dr. that the spike, then fall was the cause of your dizziness...You really need to see another DR. who will do a FULL exam including blood work because neither blood sugar or blood pressure issues is a laughing matter-each will only get WORSE if not controlled.0 -
I'm surprised neither mentioned your anemia. I had anemia with all three of my pregnancies and every time my most dramatic symptom was getting very dizzy when I stood up and feeling like I was going to black out.
I've had anemia since I was a child. I didn't have the dizziness since then...but I'm always tired and sluggish because of it. That and I kind of look a little bit like a vampire...or someone who is dead...cold and pale. Raaarh!
Maybe that's why sugar and coffee doesn't work on me? 
*shrugs*
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I can just tell you from my experience, my daughter had this happening to her quite a bit and when she went to her doctor, she was also told to increase her salt intake because her blood pressure was low. Since then she has been aware of her salt intake and has not had problems.0
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Did he give you the results of a blood sugar test (blood) or tell you to take your blood pressure regularly at home? If not, that's what you should do. Doctors are not bad, they are not only out to get people to stop eating good food. They have an ethical and legal responsibility to give you advice based on what they see and what you complain are your symptoms. Did you see an endocrinologist? Cardiologist? If you were visiting from out of town, did you only TALK to the doctors or did they do full exams? The smartest thing to do is learn what your numbers should be and go with that, not subjective evidence like "my eyes go dark." I'm a medical specialist and there are no normal reasons somebody would black out.0
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Did he give you the results of a blood sugar test (blood) or tell you to take your blood pressure regularly at home? If not, that's what you should do. Doctors are not bad, they are not only out to get people to stop eating good food. They have an ethical and legal responsibility to give you advice based on what they see and what you complain are your symptoms. Did you see an endocrinologist? Cardiologist? If you were visiting from out of town, did you only TALK to the doctors or did they do full exams? The smartest thing to do is learn what your numbers should be and go with that, not subjective evidence like "my eyes go dark." I'm a medical specialist and there are no normal reasons somebody would black out.
Neither requested blood tests. The first one (who said to quit sugar) didn't do anything. He just told me to quit sugar after I said I get dizzy standing up. It wasn't until after he said that, that I told him about the challenge I did and the amount of sugar it takes to have effect on me. And he still stuck to his guns.
The second one, I told him upfront about the challenge I did it because the first one said to quit sugar. He said it 'could' have an effect, but then he checked my blood pressure and he said it was low and "You need to eat more salt and LESS sweets" << Less ... not none as suggested by the first doctor. He never asked twice about the challenge. And their just normal house doctors. Nobody special I guess.
The problem I guess is just really that the first doctor just told me outright to quit sugar before he knew about the challenge or anything. Just by listening to my symptoms. It was really confusing, because his suggestion technically wasn't based on anything. 0 -
I had this issue and it was my BP was low and plus I found out I was anemic. No problems now though!0
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Orthostatic hypotension ?0
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Did you have your BP taken laying, sitting, and standing? To see if it drops when you get up?0
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Listen to the one who actually did tests.0
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mommarnurse wrote: »Did you have your BP taken laying, sitting, and standing? To see if it drops when you get up?
No it was just taken while laying down. In which it was already quite low.
Does that make a difference?
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Are you a teen? My teen had this problem. Doctors said it's common in teens and often they just need to drink more. He also said if that didn't help the next check would be for anemia.
In your shoes, I would drink more, try more sodium, try less sugar and get more iron.
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TheKingsChampion wrote: »Perhaps you're just looking for someone to tell you to keep eating crazy amounts of chocolate???
Not really. It's just the sugar diagnose was out of place. The reason I listed the challenge and the sugar blackout was to explain how much it would actually take to give me the symptoms I'm experiencing.
I don't eat that much and I don't have any symptoms whatsoever from eating 100g of chocolate. There's no energy surge and no slump either.
But the sugar doctor said I had to eliminate all sugar (even fruit) and it didn't make sense to me because of that.
The point here is that if you were not having any sugar issues there would be no reason to pass out. If you were having No insulin pancreatic challenges your body would have corrected itself pretty quickly and you would never have experienced any symptoms other than being sick to your stomach from the overdose. Obviously, your body is having some sugar issues. It can't bounce back quickly enough. A normal person would not feel dizzy or black out. Their pancreas would shoot out enough insulin very quickly to cover the carbs. Yours shot out way too much, which is what probably brought your blood sugar dangerously low. Low blood sugar causes you to feel dizzy or pass out. Low blood sugar causes a great deal of unseen organ damage. Probably not the best thing in the world to undertake these "challenges".... especially since you obviously have sugar issues. If I were you, I would listen to the doctor. Just cut out all sugar and fruit for a little while and hope your body can recover. There are things going on inside you that you can neither see nor feel. Damage is damage.
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TheKingsChampion wrote: »Perhaps you're just looking for someone to tell you to keep eating crazy amounts of chocolate???
Not really. It's just the sugar diagnose was out of place. The reason I listed the challenge and the sugar blackout was to explain how much it would actually take to give me the symptoms I'm experiencing.
I don't eat that much and I don't have any symptoms whatsoever from eating 100g of chocolate. There's no energy surge and no slump either.
But the sugar doctor said I had to eliminate all sugar (even fruit) and it didn't make sense to me because of that.
The point here is that if you were not having any sugar issues there would be no reason to pass out. If you were having No insulin pancreatic challenges your body would have corrected itself pretty quickly and you would never have experienced any symptoms other than being sick to your stomach from the overdose. Obviously, your body is having some sugar issues. It can't bounce back quickly enough. A normal person would not feel dizzy or black out. Their pancreas would shoot out enough insulin very quickly to cover the carbs. Yours shot out way too much, which is what probably brought your blood sugar dangerously low. Low blood sugar causes you to feel dizzy or pass out. Low blood sugar causes a great deal of unseen organ damage. Probably not the best thing in the world to undertake these "challenges".... especially since you obviously have sugar issues. If I were you, I would listen to the doctor. Just cut out all sugar and fruit for a little while and hope your body can recover. There are things going on inside you that you can neither see nor feel. Damage is damage.
Which I true...I think....
But that's not the problem. The challenge was a while ago... in February. As I said, I mentioned it to him after he told me it's sugar. The reason I went to him, was because I experience dizziness and temporary blindness when standing up EVERY DAY. I DO NOT eat sugar every day. And especially not in those amounts.
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Get a new doctor and explain your symptoms and get a full physical including blood work.
Agreed. If it's possible that this is a blood sugar issue, you want that pinned down and treated. Of course it's possible that you have both blood sugar issues and low blood pressure or orthostatic hypotension, playing up at different times.
And get a doc who will listen. I had an ER doc write off my first seizure as low blood sugar/panic attack - sugar issue not tested for or followed up on - since I'd had several pieces of cake the night before. I'm not saying it's any way related, just that some docs suck and as a young woman it can be even harder to get them to listen to you.
Question - the time you thought it might be sugar, were you OK after laying down for a minute or did you have to eat something to feel better? Think over the episodes you've had and write down details for the doctor.0 -
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I have a very difficult time believing you saw two different doctors to complain of dizziness when rising and both immediately attributed the cause to your diet...and that one didn't even take your BP.
If that is true, you have stumbled onto like the world's two worst doctors ever and need to find another.
There are many reasons people get dizzy when standing up. Just so many. When people are dieting, the obvious first choice would be that they aren't eating enough, but it has to be investigated, all the same.
Get a new doctor. Good luck.0 -
I've had the same issue for as long as I can remember. Cause? Low blood pressure. What helps? Try not to be so still when sitting for long periods of time. A few seconds before you have to get up, tap your toes or something to get some blood flowing.
The dizziness and blacking out/roaring in your ears sensations are the blood trying to get up to your head quickly enough from standing up so fast. I don't eat a lot of foods with sodium, but I do salt homemade dishes....oh and I eat chocolate everyday. Tapping my toes seems to do the trick.
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I'm curious as to how old you are, OP. A sugar challenge?? That just doesn't seem like something an adult would do. What was the purpose of the challenge?0
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I have an issue where when I stand up, I can get pretty dizzy, sometimes lose sight and hearing, feel hot etc. Any doctor I've ever asked has told me it's due to low blood pressure. My Mumm has the same problem. One thing that seems to help is for me to drink a recovery/hydration drink if I'm doing an intense workout. I think sometimes I sweat so much my mineral balance gets off.0
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so you cant eat less sugar and eat more salt? they are not mutually exclusive 0
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Do you have an at-home glucose monitor? Where you prick your finger and see what your current glucose level is? Sounds like that would be a worthy investment for you.
You can use it to see what your fasting glucose is BUT you can also use it to see how a particular meal affects glucose level spikes, by testing before on an empty stomach, then at 15 minute intervals for about 90 minutes after you eat a particular food. That can yield some really fascinating information!0 -
Are you a doctor? Then how do you know it wasn't based on anything? Maybe he has patients who report the same symptoms and who do well cutting down on sugar. Just because he didn't adequately explain his recommendation to you (which he probably should have done) doesn't mean it's bad advice. If you don't understand something a doctor tells you, it's your job to ask questions.TheKingsChampion wrote: »
The problem I guess is just really that the first doctor just told me outright to quit sugar before he knew about the challenge or anything. Just by listening to my symptoms. It was really confusing, because his suggestion technically wasn't based on anything.
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TheKingsChampion wrote: »
I can eat 6 cupcakes and be fine. I can eat 200g of chocolate and be fine. I can eat a whole can of caramel and be fine. Or a whole pint of ice cream. But not on the same day.
The challenge I had with my friend had us eat A LOT of sugar. I myself ate a whole cake with frosting, 400g chocolate, half a tray of fudge and a 200g of cookies. I got sick later that night, after which the blackout followed. Next day I was fine.
You should think about that. You eat enough confections to put a horse into shock, yet feel no reaction? Oh boy.
If you're actually being legit here, I would strongly suggest fixing your diet, before nature does that for you.0 -
geneticsteacher wrote: »
Happens to me all the time. I've never fainted but i've seen black for split seconds.0
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