Not getting anywhere? Here might be the reason why...

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  • mswoodsy
    mswoodsy Posts: 91 Member
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    Maybe I'm totally dim and i've missed something here...

    What ARE we supposed to eat? I don't get it.
  • RockstarWilson
    RockstarWilson Posts: 836 Member
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    Okay. apparently all people can do is post gifs instead of proposing a counter-argument for the contrary. I would like some intelligent feeback, please, but if all you can do is post a bunch of memes, then I will have to discount your opinion, as you discount mine :-). This is simply my take on it. But I have a take, and I simply ask you to have one too. Instead of consorting to the mob action....tell me why I am wrong.
  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
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    RockstarWilson wrote: »
    For the complex process of carbs to fat conversion:
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/374068-how-do-carbohydrates-convert-to-fat/
    http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/04/24/5143/why-eating-too-many-carbs-makes-you-fat/
    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate
    http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/happens-unburned-carbohydrates-2461.html

    I can agree with a calorie deficit. If you are eating too much food in general, you will gain weight. But simply put, you cannot burn fat if your body is expecting carbs, and is burning energy that is stored as glycogen.

    False.

  • eric_sg61
    eric_sg61 Posts: 2,925 Member
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    RockstarWilson wrote: »
    For the complex process of carbs to fat conversion:
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/374068-how-do-carbohydrates-convert-to-fat/
    http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/04/24/5143/why-eating-too-many-carbs-makes-you-fat/
    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate
    http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/happens-unburned-carbohydrates-2461.html

    I can agree with a calorie deficit. If you are eating too much food in general, you will gain weight. But simply put, you cannot burn fat if your body is expecting carbs, and is burning energy that is stored as glycogen.
    The body is constantly storing and burning fat. If your in a deficit or in a surplus will determine which one happens to a greater degree.
  • happyfeetrebel1
    happyfeetrebel1 Posts: 1,005 Member
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    shadow2soul wrote: »
    RockstarWilson wrote: »
    If you have tried "every" diet out there, and still not getting anywhere, you are probably being educated wrong.

    or it could be as simple as stuff like this happening:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjKPIcI51lU&feature=youtu.be

    This was an EXCELLENT video. Should be required reading!

  • Lasmartchika
    Lasmartchika Posts: 3,440 Member
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    Paige682 wrote: »
    Tldr.gif

    This.
  • OldSportOldsport
    OldSportOldsport Posts: 275 Member
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    RockstarWilson wrote: »
    For the complex process of carbs to fat conversion:
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/374068-how-do-carbohydrates-convert-to-fat/
    http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/04/24/5143/why-eating-too-many-carbs-makes-you-fat/
    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate
    http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/happens-unburned-carbohydrates-2461.html

    I can agree with a calorie deficit. If you are eating too much food in general, you will gain weight. But simply put, you cannot burn fat if your body is expecting carbs, and is burning energy that is stored as glycogen.

    These are not academic articles. Also none of them actually back up what you're saying. Let me break it down for you.

    People eat carbs - yay calories \o/
    They eat too many carbs :(:( and gain weight
    They eat fewer carbs that don't give them enough calories to maintain their body as is. The body eats the carbs it does get up and then also takes from the fat cells to keep necessary functions going.

    Calories in, calories out. If your body burns more (through your BMR and daily activity) than you eat you will lose body fat (and some lean tissues also) because that's what fat stores are for - times of scarcity. I'm honestly not seeing what you don't grasp about this process. Do you honestly think someone could eat 1000 calories of pure carbohydrate and yet not lose body fat?
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
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    RockstarWilson wrote: »
    For the complex process of carbs to fat conversion:
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/374068-how-do-carbohydrates-convert-to-fat/
    http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/04/24/5143/why-eating-too-many-carbs-makes-you-fat/
    http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate
    http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/happens-unburned-carbohydrates-2461.html

    I can agree with a calorie deficit. If you are eating too much food in general, you will gain weight. But simply put, you cannot burn fat if your body is expecting carbs, and is burning energy that is stored as glycogen.

    If you're in an overall deficit, there'll be times in the day where you're burning fat and the amount of fat burned is equal to the deficit.
  • oedipa_maas
    oedipa_maas Posts: 577 Member
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    I am finding it interesting that as soon as we started farming fruits and stuff, we started contracting all these weird diseases.

    This is ridiculous. Cite your source, please.
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,626 Member
    edited October 2014
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    There are several things your body can do with carbs before storing them as fat. Storing carbs as fat is really the last thing your body wants to do with them.

    It's great that you're interested in all this and starting to learn about it! You might want to read up a little more, though. I don't mean that as an insult. There's just a lot more to it, which you'll learn if you're all that interested. :)
  • jennifer_417
    jennifer_417 Posts: 12,344 Member
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    Weird...all that weight I lost with simple calorie restriction must have been just my imagination...
  • maidentl
    maidentl Posts: 3,203 Member
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    So by this logic, vegetarians should all be fat?
  • RockstarWilson
    RockstarWilson Posts: 836 Member
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    LostLifter wrote: »
    RockstarWilson wrote: »
    Okay. apparently all people can do is post gifs instead of proposing a counter-argument for the contrary. I would like some intelligent feeback, please, but if all you can do is post a bunch of memes, then I will have to discount your opinion, as you discount mine :-). This is simply my take on it. But I have a take, and I simply ask you to have one too. Instead of consorting to the mob action....tell me why I am wrong.

    Ok. I'm too tired to get all sciency and logical on you. Plus, it will probably hurt you more than it hurts me.

    However, what I AM going to tell you, is that these are the kinds of posts that just make people say, "No. Just no." or as my gif clearly stated, "Nope nope nope nope nope." While I understand that you are looking for a scientific debate, the majority of the people who are posting these gifs are doing so because they are tired of repeating themselves to people who won't listen.

    Maybe you aren't one of those people. And if you're not, I sincerely apologize for flooding you with My Little Pony (although, who doesn't love a good pony??).

    But when you come in and basically state "this is the way it is," with logic that defies what a lot of us who've been doing this for awhile have seen to be reality, and don't offer up citations to tell us where you're getting the info...Just be prepared for the types of reactions you may get.

    :theytookawaymyflowerforyou!!!:

    hehe. Presentation is key, I guess. One of my fallacies. I am not one to tell you that this is how it is. Based on what I have looked at and observed in my own food selection, it is simply my theory. Presentation is not really my forte, I guess. This is why I get into trouble with the girlfriend some times!

    I am not looking for a debate. I am simply looking to open a door for that person that may be struggling and have been at the same number on the scale for a month even though they give it 100% effort. Some people have really good genes, and can process food properly like no tomorrow. But others, like me, cannot. I am at the Overweight/Obese border, and I have been my whole life. Only recently have I been starting to educate myself. I don't mean to come across as condescending or controversial. I am just delving deeper into this question of how the body stores and uses energy. There will be multiple answers to this, so I expect differentiation.

    As far as sources....I understand the importance, but underestimated the thread's need for citation. I don't have a formal list of sources for where I got my information, but most historical references are common knowledge....at least I thought so.
  • iamanasangel
    iamanasangel Posts: 7
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    maidentl wrote: »
    So by this logic, vegetarians should all be fat?

    well vegetarians eat carbs? idk if im following this guy at all but i THINK he is saying that restricting carbs makes weightloss impossible?
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