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RockstarWilson wrote: »For the complex process of carbs to fat conversion:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/374068-how-do-carbohydrates-convert-to-fat/
http://diabeteshealth.com/read/2007/04/24/5143/why-eating-too-many-carbs-makes-you-fat/
http://www.extension.iastate.edu/humansciences/content/carbohydrate
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/happens-unburned-carbohydrates-2461.html
I can agree with a calorie deficit. If you are eating too much food in general, you will gain weight. But simply put, you cannot burn fat if your body is expecting carbs, and is burning energy that is stored as glycogen.
If you're in an overall deficit, there'll be times in the day where you're burning fat and the amount of fat burned is equal to the deficit.0 -
I am finding it interesting that as soon as we started farming fruits and stuff, we started contracting all these weird diseases.
This is ridiculous. Cite your source, please.0 -
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There are several things your body can do with carbs before storing them as fat. Storing carbs as fat is really the last thing your body wants to do with them.
It's great that you're interested in all this and starting to learn about it! You might want to read up a little more, though. I don't mean that as an insult. There's just a lot more to it, which you'll learn if you're all that interested.
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Weird...all that weight I lost with simple calorie restriction must have been just my imagination...0
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So by this logic, vegetarians should all be fat?0
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LostLifter wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Okay. apparently all people can do is post gifs instead of proposing a counter-argument for the contrary. I would like some intelligent feeback, please, but if all you can do is post a bunch of memes, then I will have to discount your opinion, as you discount mine :-). This is simply my take on it. But I have a take, and I simply ask you to have one too. Instead of consorting to the mob action....tell me why I am wrong.
Ok. I'm too tired to get all sciency and logical on you. Plus, it will probably hurt you more than it hurts me.
However, what I AM going to tell you, is that these are the kinds of posts that just make people say, "No. Just no." or as my gif clearly stated, "Nope nope nope nope nope." While I understand that you are looking for a scientific debate, the majority of the people who are posting these gifs are doing so because they are tired of repeating themselves to people who won't listen.
Maybe you aren't one of those people. And if you're not, I sincerely apologize for flooding you with My Little Pony (although, who doesn't love a good pony??).
But when you come in and basically state "this is the way it is," with logic that defies what a lot of us who've been doing this for awhile have seen to be reality, and don't offer up citations to tell us where you're getting the info...Just be prepared for the types of reactions you may get.
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hehe. Presentation is key, I guess. One of my fallacies. I am not one to tell you that this is how it is. Based on what I have looked at and observed in my own food selection, it is simply my theory. Presentation is not really my forte, I guess. This is why I get into trouble with the girlfriend some times!
I am not looking for a debate. I am simply looking to open a door for that person that may be struggling and have been at the same number on the scale for a month even though they give it 100% effort. Some people have really good genes, and can process food properly like no tomorrow. But others, like me, cannot. I am at the Overweight/Obese border, and I have been my whole life. Only recently have I been starting to educate myself. I don't mean to come across as condescending or controversial. I am just delving deeper into this question of how the body stores and uses energy. There will be multiple answers to this, so I expect differentiation.
As far as sources....I understand the importance, but underestimated the thread's need for citation. I don't have a formal list of sources for where I got my information, but most historical references are common knowledge....at least I thought so.0 -
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which is EXTREMELY incorrect.0
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iamanasangel wrote: »
I thought he was saying that eating them makes it impossible. But honestly, it didn't make a whole lot of sense altogether, so who knows? :laugh:
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LOL @ the responses dude
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This again??
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HEY OP!
what exactly are you saying? there seems to be alot of confusion. whats the thesis here?0 -
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RockstarWilson wrote: »
hehe. Presentation is key, I guess. One of my fallacies. I am not one to tell you that this is how it is. Based on what I have looked at and observed in my own food selection, it is simply my theory. Presentation is not really my forte, I guess. This is why I get into trouble with the girlfriend some times!
I am not looking for a debate. I am simply looking to open a door for that person that may be struggling and have been at the same number on the scale for a month even though they give it 100% effort. Some people have really good genes, and can process food properly like no tomorrow. But others, like me, cannot. I am at the Overweight/Obese border, and I have been my whole life. Only recently have I been starting to educate myself. I don't mean to come across as condescending or controversial. I am just delving deeper into this question of how the body stores and uses energy. There will be multiple answers to this, so I expect differentiation.
As far as sources....I understand the importance, but underestimated the thread's need for citation. I don't have a formal list of sources for where I got my information, but most historical references are common knowledge....at least I thought so.
So your sample size is...one. You.
Also if you're not looking for a debate don't post on the internet about something you don't know anything about.
And I'm not going to be mean but if your reply to the request for citation is 'well I don't have any bar personal anecdote' then you really can't expect people to take you seriously.
What you're saying has a grain of truth - cutting back on carbs does allow a lot of people who struggle to lose weight, a different path to achieve success. This is not because carbs are bad or wrong but because eating fewer of them and eating more protein/fat often mean people feel less hungry...and eat fewer calories (the key bit of ANY weightloss regime). The body, given few carbs becomes more efficient at burning body fat. This does NOT mean that if you eat carbs you can't burn body fat. You're probably just not doing it as efficiently as someone in ketosis.0 -
I recognized the fallacies of my post here. I will ask them to lock it.
It is worth mentioning, though, that the post, as it states in the title, is for people that aren't getting anywhere. They go to this post forum for weight loss help. I am simply presenting an argument. Everything that gets posted doesn't have to have sources for every word that is spoken. If you lost weight, I am happy for you. But it is a bit unfair of you to throw a bunch of memes and insults at me for just having a take. Since it will be inundated with useless one liners and gifs, the point is defeated. Instead of doing that, help me by asking what I mean, instead of high-fiving the ones that protested my opinions and, by virtue, inferring that I am an idiot. Regardless of whether or not what I am saying is wrong, for you to insult me instead of having a conversation with me is quite superficial and juvenile.
And people wonder why I choose to look at rocks for a profession...0 -
You didn't engage with a single one of my posts. I used no memes, I wasn't rude to you, I pointed out that you were wrong. You keep saying you just want to help people who aren't getting anywhere, but you're not helping them because you're wrong about what you're saying.0
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sorry...couldn't see that through all the mudflinging.
Carbohydrates get used by the body for energy and that energy gets emitted as radiation. Extra carbohydrates get stored as glycogen for future use, or stored in the muscle and fat tissue as a reserve for when the glycogen gets depleted.
If you exercise, the body will use carbohydrates from what can easily be digested, then it will dip into the reserve glycogen, and then it will have to figure out another energy source. Once it gets to that point...you might experience fatigue as it runs out. that is why if you go though a heavy workout, you will need to replenish with gatorade or something to continue. That is what the wall is (the point of physical exhaustion when working out where you feel wirey or empty).
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OP, is what you meant by factory farming fruits and vegetables is that fruits and veggies, and even meat, grown or raised by conventional methods (such as with high spray, insecticides, hormones and the like) can cause hormonal disruptions that stall weight loss? I believe you are absolutely correct in this.
Otherwise, I'll admit to being a little lost in the rest of the post.
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Looks like everyone else has addressed the point of calories.
The reason all these diseases are 'coming out of the woodworks' is because modern medicine is advancing and finding out these diseases exist. The diseases were already there, but now we have new ways of diagnosing them.0 -
Yeah.... if I don't proofread my stuff enough times, it comes out weird. On that topic, I believe there is a strong correlation between obesity, the amount of inherent and triggered diseases reported, and the change in process by which we obtain food. Some of this is unavoidable, as a population needs to be fed, and we all can't be hunter-gatherers. But my hypothesis is simply that the conventional wisdom that says we should eat between 50-70% carbohydrates for healthy weight loss and good overall health is wrong. The body only stores two things in mass quantities: fat and protein. It stores very little carbohydrates as sugar, in comparison. So if a person eats 50-70% carbohydrates and works at a desk job where they are typically close to their non-sleeping BMR, how can they possible use the amount of energy that the body wants to use? that energy has to go somewhere, and it cannot be destroyed. So if you cant use it, and the reserves are full, where else will it go? How do you explain being hungry by lunchtime even though you haven't used all that energy? Keep in mind, I am talking to the sedentary person, not the personal trainer. The personal trainer can most likely eat cake all day and not get fat (although, they might have a bevy of other issues haha).0
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