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cushman5279 wrote: »
Paleo has also helped me to develop a whole new outlook on all of the wonderful and delicious natural foods out there. I take great pleasure in everything I cook and food has never tasted better.
I'm really glad that you found a way of eating that works for you.
However you are wrong about why I don't want to eat paleo. I don't want to eat paleo because I don't subscribe to pseudoscientific nonsense. I don't agree with arbitrarily deciding that some foods are good and some foods are bad because chemicals MMMK...
I prefer to stick with the philosophy that most things are OK in moderation, but that you should aim to eat a diet of nutritionally dense food most of the time because it's good for you.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The bellies aren't injected, that's silly. They're put into big tumblers a few thousand at a time and tumbled in a brine, then stored until cured.
I'd like to see his peer reviewed, published proof that curing of bacon yields a product different from the animal's meat and fat content.
Cordain sounds like a total goober. Additionally, you don't want bacon from wild boar, trust me. It's rough. ROUGH.
Cavemen had it pretty rough, don't you think? That's why the whole concept of trying to eat like him is so ridiculous.
Why do you think meat is cured, if it's exactly the same after curing as before? Why does bacon exist, if it's no different than fresh pork belly?
My mother used to cook pork belly, it's not even as much like bacon as pork chops are like ham. I love bacon but will gladly pass up pork belly.
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I think from the comments above, we can all safely assume that most of all do not adhere to a strict Paleo diet.
Someone said tomatoes aren't Paleo. But does it really matter. According to Dr. Loren Cordain's book "The Paleo Diet," tomatoes are among the foods that are allowed under the Paleo diet. In addition, Dr. Cordain encourages people to consume tomatoes because they serve as anticancer agents. However, the reason I eat tomatoes is because they are fresh from my garden and I really don't care whether they are Paleo or not. My thinking is that if a cave man saw a tomato and he was hungry, he would eat it - good enough for me.
What is with everyone and their criticism of anyone who even dares breathe the term Paleo? A strict Paleo diet is just that - strict and I happen to be human and for twenty years or more I have fiddled around with my diet trying to get a healthy balance that suits me and my body. Paleo recipes and lifestyle seems to fit me the best and is the closest to the lifestyle I have chosen. I'm happy, I'm healthy, I just happen to have about 5 extra kilos from eating too much healthy food so I came to this site for help and inspiration.
Loved the bit "converted to paleo from Catholicism." It's funny. Lighten up and enjoy the conversation and discussions. I don't feel superior when I use the term because I know I don't follow it correctly nor do I feel guilty when I use the term Catholic. I don't follow it strictly either but I am hoping God will forgive me but it does appear my fellow man is not prepared to forgive us for using the holy term Paleo.0 -
not reading all the pages but I wanted to say I'm glad you found a diet that works for you
I could neither stand paleo long term (did it for two weeks, lost water weight and got to the point I hated meat more than when I was a vegetarian) nor afford it even on cafo meat (which I refuse to eat anyways).
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cushman5279 wrote: »bybyadipocytes wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »People are so rude and afraid of what they don't understand. I love how some folks can sum me up based upon some comments and half *kitten*'d food logging via a social media forum.
A healthy life style/nutrition plan doesn't happen overnight. It's a work in progress so many of the comments whining about people on paleo but not following paleo to a T... just need to relax. Slow and steady and process of elimination is usually the best course of action.
One other comment that stuck out like a childish sore thumb, do I want a medal or cookie for mentioning that someone told me I'd fail on Paleo and I haven't? Hell yes I do. It's an accomplishment why the hell shouldn't I toot my own horn?
Mean and nasty has no room in my life. Intelligent and kind ADULTS are happy for one another’s accomplishments no matter how small. Decent people are encouraging and positive to one another. Grownups that are genuine lift each other up... not tear each other down. At the end of the day a bad attitude and cynicism will serve to make you lonely and miserable in this life. For those who left intelligent comments, questions, disagreements without being total *kitten* for the sake of a nice conversation, thank you. To all the others... shame on you.
This is supposed to be a supportive forum correct? Could have fooled me.
been thinking the same thing. I have 3 kids and a life so I have more half assed logging days than not, trying to fix that. It seems posting on these boards would inhibit me from actually losing. All these *kitten*, with a lot of time on their hands, trying to show others how smart and witty they are.
Anyway glad you are feeling positive about something when you have a lot to be down on. Good luck.
Seriously... My words are bigger than yours and my sarcasm is better than yours
I'm very busy and important as well and I half *kitten* the logging too. Only when I'm half assing my logging it's not with paleo ISH types of enteries and I have no halo to remove when I'm done, nor am I looking down my nose at anyone elses food diaries or proclaiming myself the inventor of or struggler through anything.
My words still will be bigger than yours though. That's right, their better than yours, I could teach you, but...0 -
cushman5279 wrote: »I don't know why folks have to make this into something it's not.
Meat, vegetables, some fruit, seeds, nuts, good fats.
It doesn't get any easier.
At least I make sure I don't mock something until I've tried it out for myself.
I don't know why other folks are mocking something they haven't tried, but I have tried it and so that gives me the right I guess. Just in case it doesn't though for me it's because your OP came off as proselytism.
I'm pretty much against that.0 -
Taubs said milkshakes are not paleo!0
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late to the show….but in, because these are always fun...0
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bybyadipocytes wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »People are so rude and afraid of what they don't understand. I love how some folks can sum me up based upon some comments and half *kitten*'d food logging via a social media forum.
A healthy life style/nutrition plan doesn't happen overnight. It's a work in progress so many of the comments whining about people on paleo but not following paleo to a T... just need to relax. Slow and steady and process of elimination is usually the best course of action.
One other comment that stuck out like a childish sore thumb, do I want a medal or cookie for mentioning that someone told me I'd fail on Paleo and I haven't? Hell yes I do. It's an accomplishment why the hell shouldn't I toot my own horn?
Mean and nasty has no room in my life. Intelligent and kind ADULTS are happy for one another’s accomplishments no matter how small. Decent people are encouraging and positive to one another. Grownups that are genuine lift each other up... not tear each other down. At the end of the day a bad attitude and cynicism will serve to make you lonely and miserable in this life. For those who left intelligent comments, questions, disagreements without being total *kitten* for the sake of a nice conversation, thank you. To all the others... shame on you.
This is supposed to be a supportive forum correct? Could have fooled me.
been thinking the same thing. I have 3 kids and a life so I have more half assed logging days than not, trying to fix that. It seems posting on these boards would inhibit me from actually losing. All these *kitten*, with a lot of time on their hands, trying to show others how smart and witty they are.
Anyway glad you are feeling positive about something when you have a lot to be down on. Good luck.
Couldn't have said it better. Kudos to the OP for finding something that works for her. Paleo isn't for me, but I understand why people would want to do it. Good luck.0 -
Proselytism - great word, had to look it up .
"Though the word proselytism originally referred to Early Christianity (and earlier Gentiles such as God-fearers), it now refers to the attempt of any religion or religious individuals to convert people to their beliefs, or any attempt to convert people to a different point of view, religious or not."
No I don't see any of that in Cushman's original post. Just a lovely lady proud of her attempts to change and improve her health during a difficult time in her life.
She said "Paleo has also helped me to develop a whole new outlook on all of the wonderful and delicious natural foods out there. I take great pleasure in everything I cook and food has never tasted better".
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I'm trying to picture someone saying: I'm doing "IIFYM" and someone else saying: you said 40% carbs but you had 43% yesterday. Clearly you're not doing IFFYM.0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'm trying to picture someone saying: I'm doing "IIFYM" and someone else saying: you said 40% carbs but you had 43% yesterday. Clearly you're not doing IFFYM.
perhaps you can't picture it, because it would never happen...0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'm trying to picture someone saying: I'm doing "IIFYM" and someone else saying: you said 40% carbs but you had 43% yesterday. Clearly you're not doing IFFYM.
I don't do any named diet, but I don't think there are any specific macro goals that someone doing iifym must do. Of course, if someone said they were doing iifym but then said they didn't watch macros, I can see someone else wondering why they claimed to do something they do not.
That's how I interpret some of the questions about the term paleo. If you don't really make an attempt to follow paleo, why use the term? Specifically, if you claim paleo is a better diet, the question is why. The diet makes claims to be better for everyone, not just the lactose intolerant or celiacs or people who hate beans. I think it may well be a great way to eat for lots of people that encourage them to eat better than they otherwise would and to emphasize things I agree with, like veggies and whole foods and pastured meat from local farmers. But if you go beyond that to a claim that the diet itself is better or just eating healthy or that it's claims are true, I think it's fair to be asked about those claims and your own decision to ignore those that are inconvenient while suggesting to others that it's better to get over your affection for yogurt, as op suggested.
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I think from the comments above, we can all safely assume that most of all do not adhere to a strict Paleo diet.
Someone said tomatoes aren't Paleo. But does it really matter. According to Dr. Loren Cordain's book "The Paleo Diet," tomatoes are among the foods that are allowed under the Paleo diet. In addition, Dr. Cordain encourages people to consume tomatoes because they serve as anticancer agents. However, the reason I eat tomatoes is because they are fresh from my garden and I really don't care whether they are Paleo or not. My thinking is that if a cave man saw a tomato and he was hungry, he would eat it - good enough for me.
What is with everyone and their criticism of anyone who even dares breathe the term Paleo? A strict Paleo diet is just that - strict and I happen to be human and for twenty years or more I have fiddled around with my diet trying to get a healthy balance that suits me and my body. Paleo recipes and lifestyle seems to fit me the best and is the closest to the lifestyle I have chosen. I'm happy, I'm healthy, I just happen to have about 5 extra kilos from eating too much healthy food so I came to this site for help and inspiration.
Loved the bit "converted to paleo from Catholicism." It's funny. Lighten up and enjoy the conversation and discussions. I don't feel superior when I use the term because I know I don't follow it correctly nor do I feel guilty when I use the term Catholic. I don't follow it strictly either but I am hoping God will forgive me but it does appear my fellow man is not prepared to forgive us for using the holy term Paleo.
I don't think there's criticism of people using the term paleo (other than because it's a silly name) so much as questions why one would if it doesn't really fit or one doesn't care to defend paleo's claims.
My question was different--why assert that one must eat paleo to eat healthy, that disagreeing with paleo's claims somehow means one does not care about health?
These aren't criticisms, as I'm genuinely interested in a discussion. Like I said in my other post I don't have anything against the paleo diet and can see why it would work for some people.
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lol, did a newbie just try a finger wag?
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I've been Paleo for about four months now, and it's truly amazing. I don't even crave the foods I used to love anymore; now I crave healthy things. Keep it up 0
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Sorry Lemurcat, when I wrote "from the comments above" I meant previous posts. Sorry about the misunderstanding. Wasn't really referring to you or anyone else's post in particular.
This bit is for you though - in regards to the term paleo being silly. I actually rather like the sound of the word Paleo and have decided to keep using it when I talk about what I eat. Did you know that Dr Loren Cordain claims to be the founder of the Paleo Movement and is the actual owner of the trademark. The actual Paleolithic era was a period lasting around 2.5 million years that ended about 10,000 years ago with the advent of agriculture and domestication of animals.
A bit of useless trivia which probably comes under the heading - hijacking the thread.
My apologies.
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Nah, It's cool that you are enjoying paleo and all. But honestly it's bunk. You can totally be healthy without it. You just have to get into this little thing called exercise. That way you will actually USE the food you ingest. All this nonsense with the diet in order to try and get around the bodies basic need for physical stimulation is actually rather funny tbh.0
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I don't even crave the foods I used to love anymore; now I crave healthy things. Keep it up
And like others have said, that's a big part of my issue with paleo. I made a big change to healthy eating a few months ago, but it looks nothing like paleo. It isn't synonymous with "healthy" in and of itself. Quite frankly it leaves a lot of "healthy" foods out.0 -
Oh dear, looks like the whole site has been very naughty. We all have a flag.
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I am paleo 5% of the time cause I killed a deer one time with a bow and arrow. The arrow was made out of paleo approved materials. The bow was made out of wood, so that existed during paleo timeslevitateme wrote: »The issue I have with the paleo diet is that every single person doing paleo is like "I'm kind of doing my own version of paleo" where they get to "cheat," because the diet as-is is not sustainable for seemingly anyone.
That's what I got out of the last Paleo thread. I decided I'm Paleo, too, but only about 50% of the time.
LOL! I love your replies !:D
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How can eating healthy food be silly nonsense or have no merit?
I am just about to eat an egg, spinach & tomato omelette. Free range eggs, spinach & tomatoes from our garden. Yummy.
As this was in response to my post, let me clarify.
I am not saying eating healthy food has no merit.
I am saying people don't try Paleo because they think it has no merit - not because they are afraid of giving up foods for it, as you claimed in the post to which I responded.
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Nah, It's cool that you are enjoying paleo and all. But honestly it's bunk. You can totally be healthy without it. You just have to get into this little thing called exercise. That way you will actually USE the food you ingest. All this nonsense with the diet in order to try and get around the bodies basic need for physical stimulation is actually rather funny tbh.
pretty much this….0 -
paperpudding wrote: »How can eating healthy food be silly nonsense or have no merit?
I am just about to eat an egg, spinach & tomato omelette. Free range eggs, spinach & tomatoes from our garden. Yummy.
As this was in response to my post, let me clarify.
I am not saying eating healthy food has no merit.
I am saying people don't try Paleo because they think it has no merit - not because they are afraid of giving up foods for it, as you claimed in the post to which I responded.
I don't think cavemen made omelets….0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I'm trying to picture someone saying: I'm doing "IIFYM" and someone else saying: you said 40% carbs but you had 43% yesterday. Clearly you're not doing IFFYM.
I don't do any named diet, but I don't think there are any specific macro goals that someone doing iifym must do. Of course, if someone said they were doing iifym but then said they didn't watch macros, I can see someone else wondering why they claimed to do something they do not.
That's how I interpret some of the questions about the term paleo. If you don't really make an attempt to follow paleo, why use the term? Specifically, if you claim paleo is a better diet, the question is why. The diet makes claims to be better for everyone, not just the lactose intolerant or celiacs or people who hate beans. I think it may well be a great way to eat for lots of people that encourage them to eat better than they otherwise would and to emphasize things I agree with, like veggies and whole foods and pastured meat from local farmers. But if you go beyond that to a claim that the diet itself is better or just eating healthy or that it's claims are true, I think it's fair to be asked about those claims and your own decision to ignore those that are inconvenient while suggesting to others that it's better to get over your affection for yogurt, as op suggested.
She's being nitpicked for things like Nightshades. Really? Even most paleo sites say: if you want to eat them go for it.0 -
I think from the comments above, we can all safely assume that most of all do not adhere to a strict Paleo diet.
Someone said tomatoes aren't Paleo. But does it really matter. According to Dr. Loren Cordain's book "The Paleo Diet," tomatoes are among the foods that are allowed under the Paleo diet. In addition, Dr. Cordain encourages people to consume tomatoes because they serve as anticancer agents. However, the reason I eat tomatoes is because they are fresh from my garden and I really don't care whether they are Paleo or not. My thinking is that if a cave man saw a tomato and he was hungry, he would eat it - good enough for me.
What is with everyone and their criticism of anyone who even dares breathe the term Paleo? A strict Paleo diet is just that - strict and I happen to be human and for twenty years or more I have fiddled around with my diet trying to get a healthy balance that suits me and my body. Paleo recipes and lifestyle seems to fit me the best and is the closest to the lifestyle I have chosen. I'm happy, I'm healthy, I just happen to have about 5 extra kilos from eating too much healthy food so I came to this site for help and inspiration.
Loved the bit "converted to paleo from Catholicism." It's funny. Lighten up and enjoy the conversation and discussions. I don't feel superior when I use the term because I know I don't follow it correctly nor do I feel guilty when I use the term Catholic. I don't follow it strictly either but I am hoping God will forgive me but it does appear my fellow man is not prepared to forgive us for using the holy term Paleo.
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Proselytism - great word, had to look it up .
"Though the word proselytism originally referred to Early Christianity (and earlier Gentiles such as God-fearers), it now refers to the attempt of any religion or religious individuals to convert people to their beliefs, or any attempt to convert people to a different point of view, religious or not."
No I don't see any of that in Cushman's original post. Just a lovely lady proud of her attempts to change and improve her health during a difficult time in her life.
She said "Paleo has also helped me to develop a whole new outlook on all of the wonderful and delicious natural foods out there. I take great pleasure in everything I cook and food has never tasted better".
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BUTIgirl212516 wrote: »I've been Paleo for about four months now, and it's truly amazing. I don't even crave the foods I used to love anymore; now I crave healthy things. Keep it up
Good for you and congrats! Keep up the good work!0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »The bellies aren't injected, that's silly. They're put into big tumblers a few thousand at a time and tumbled in a brine, then stored until cured.
I'd like to see his peer reviewed, published proof that curing of bacon yields a product different from the animal's meat and fat content.
Cordain sounds like a total goober. Additionally, you don't want bacon from wild boar, trust me. It's rough. ROUGH.
Cavemen had it pretty rough, don't you think? That's why the whole concept of trying to eat like him is so ridiculous.
Why do you think meat is cured, if it's exactly the same after curing as before? Why does bacon exist, if it's no different than fresh pork belly?
The chemical makeup of the muscle and the fat do not change.
The reason for curing (and there are a myriad of different types of curing) are:
1. Flavor
2. Longer storage
3. Safer storage
A lot of it can be done by simplylightly salting something and dying it, that doesn't change what it's made of, and a good portion of the curing is to remove excess water from the tissue.
Why do you think if meat is cured that the fat and muscle now have a different chemical makeup? Salt and sodium nitrates are used for flavor, texture, and to kill bacteria. Drying is to lengthen lifespan and reduce weight. Basic and time tested.
It has a longer shelf life, but is unchanged. So pickles and fresh cucumbers are the same as well, I suppose?
Oh I've laid out in plain terms and small words how it has been changed, but what you're beating your head against is the unsubstantiated (as of yet) that processing somehow changes the chemical makeup or structure of the fat and meat in the belly. I'm honestly not sure where the sticking point is, but hey... go with it if it feels good eh? lol.
To answer your question. A fresh cucumber is fresh, "from the vine" some would say. A pickle is a cucumber that has been cooked, salted, and has a lower water content than fresh. There are no magical structural changes making them something other than plant cells.
If you add chemicals to it, obviously the chemical make-up is changed.
Depends on whether the original substance is chemically altered or you've just added additional chemicals. Tea is water with tea in it ie. a solution. The water is not chemically altered.
Sure it is, because it is no longer just water. The chemicals in the water are still the same chemicals, but the whole has different chemical makeup.
Water is technically H2O, but if all water had the same chemical makeup we would not need filters or water treatment plants.0
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