Addicted to sugar
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"Fructose-fed rats showed signs of resistance to insulin, a hormone that controls your blood sugar and synaptic function in your brain.
Because insulin is able to pass through your blood-brain barrier, it can trigger neurological processes that are important for learning and memory. Consuming large amounts of fructose may block insulin's ability to regulate how your brain cells store and use sugar for the energy needed to fuel thoughts and emotions." Dr. Joseph Mercola
Link? But you do realize that Dr. Mecola is also under investigation for wrongful claims? It appears that your sources of information tend to be with extremist/alarmist and aren't supported by the fitness community at large.
if you reference page 4 you will see several studies from other sources that will provide similar support with Kessler.
I meant to respond to your extremist/alarmist comment..
I admit I am an extremist when it comes to nutrition and what I choose to eat. I'm a firm believer in all things natural, organic. I like to know where it's from and what's in it. It's the only body I'm going to get, so I make sure what I know exactly what I'm consuming. I don't trust manufactured food created by "food scientists". But it also makes my dietary choices extremely easy. There's no debate.. I know I'll be eating a meat, some veggies and a piece of fruit.. easy, done.0 -
Fruitylicious03 wrote: »Sounds like my mother trying to convince me that fruit is bad for me because it's all sugar.
Ignorance is bliss they say.
I love fruit and I eat fruit, but I don't eat tons of it. With fruit you still get all the nutrients and fiber. Refined sugar has none of that.0 -
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I meant to respond to your extremist/alarmist comment..
I admit I am an extremist when it comes to nutrition and what I choose to eat. I'm a firm believer in all things natural, organic. I like to know where it's from and what's in it. It's the only body I'm going to get, so I make sure what I know exactly what I'm consuming. I don't trust manufactured food created by "food scientists". But it also makes my dietary choices extremely easy. There's no debate.. I know I'll be eating a meat, some veggies and a piece of fruit.. easy, done.
I'm with you one hundred precent in your comments ccb1128 and I don't for one second think ccb1128 was referring to the humble apple as being "manufactured food created by food scientists."
I also believe we should eat as close to nature as possible.
Too much refined sugar (and I am certainly not talking about fruit here) is NOT healthy for anyone and for me if I start eating lollies, I can't stop. It is like a little devil inside me making me eat more. Call me weak or lacking in will power but it doesn't seem to happen when I eat an apple.
I, personally, will continue to remove as much added refined sugar from my diet as possible and all these sugar is good for you arguments seem ridiculous to me. I listen to my body and when I eat a lot of sweet things I feel absolutely awful and wonder why I ate so much. Simple - sugar is addictive to me so don't eat it. Stick to the humble apple (as long as it is not GM
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I meant to respond to your extremist/alarmist comment..
I admit I am an extremist when it comes to nutrition and what I choose to eat. I'm a firm believer in all things natural, organic. I like to know where it's from and what's in it. It's the only body I'm going to get, so I make sure what I know exactly what I'm consuming. I don't trust manufactured food created by "food scientists". But it also makes my dietary choices extremely easy. There's no debate.. I know I'll be eating a meat, some veggies and a piece of fruit.. easy, done.
I'm with you one hundred precent in your comments ccb1128 and I don't for one second think ccb1128 was referring to the humble apple as being "manufactured food created by food scientists."
I also believe we should eat as close to nature as possible.
Too much refined sugar (and I am certainly not talking about fruit here) is NOT healthy for anyone and for me if I start eating lollies, I can't stop. It is like a little devil inside me making me eat more. Call me weak or lacking in will power but it doesn't seem to happen when I eat an apple.
I, personally, will continue to remove as much added refined sugar from my diet as possible and all these sugar is good for you arguments seem ridiculous to me. I listen to my body and when I eat a lot of sweet things I feel absolutely awful and wonder why I ate so much. Simple - sugar is addictive to me so don't eat it. Stick to the humble apple (as long as it is not GM ).
The only major issue I have with your statement above is that sugar is sugar. Your body really has no way of knowing where it is coming from. It processes sugar from a cookie and sugar from an apple the same way.
I am not going to get into the GMO discussion because I feel it would be not worth my effort on this forum.0 -
I meant to respond to your extremist/alarmist comment..
I admit I am an extremist when it comes to nutrition and what I choose to eat. I'm a firm believer in all things natural, organic. I like to know where it's from and what's in it. It's the only body I'm going to get, so I make sure what I know exactly what I'm consuming. I don't trust manufactured food created by "food scientists". But it also makes my dietary choices extremely easy. There's no debate.. I know I'll be eating a meat, some veggies and a piece of fruit.. easy, done.
I'm with you one hundred precent in your comments ccb1128 and I don't for one second think ccb1128 was referring to the humble apple as being "manufactured food created by food scientists."
I also believe we should eat as close to nature as possible.
Too much refined sugar (and I am certainly not talking about fruit here) is NOT healthy for anyone and for me if I start eating lollies, I can't stop. It is like a little devil inside me making me eat more. Call me weak or lacking in will power but it doesn't seem to happen when I eat an apple.
I, personally, will continue to remove as much added refined sugar from my diet as possible and all these sugar is good for you arguments seem ridiculous to me. I listen to my body and when I eat a lot of sweet things I feel absolutely awful and wonder why I ate so much. Simple - sugar is addictive to me so don't eat it. Stick to the humble apple (as long as it is not GM ).
Which apples are you eating, that you think are not genetically modified by selective pollination by humans?
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s_pekz said "The only major issue I have with your statement above is that sugar is sugar. Your body really has no way of knowing where it is coming from. It processes sugar from a cookie and sugar from an apple the same way."
Maybe the body doesn't know where the sugar comes from but I bet an apple is a hell of a lot healthier than that small packet of jelly beans I ate yesterday.
s_pekz said "I am not going to get into the GMO discussion because I feel it would be not worth my effort on this forum."
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I used to rage at sugar threads...from the opposite side. Then it was acknowledged that the behaviours with highly palatable foods did give rise to compulsive habits that at times were disordered. And then I finally got it. I knew (before MFP), in spite of digging into that sugar bag that I was not dealing with an addiction on the same level/degree that drugs entailed...I just didn't know why I continued to do it. Not all of it was emotional either. Addressing a better balance of nutrition went a long way to calming the drive.
I think it's important though to really understand if you feel this way...that you aren't dealing with the same physiological responses as those who have been addicted to drugs because I imagine that that belief would lead to despondency. It would look insurmountable. I had the thought that if someone who uses drugs was able to overcome what they'd been through then surely it meant I could with this too - albeit with a different kind of intervention. My understanding of the physiological impact of drugs is that "when they are in the moment of using that drug it's like asking an epileptic to stop fitting...they simply can't" (from a mother of a drug addict). I couldn't say the same about what I was doing. I did not need medical intervention to survive/withstand the withdrawal.
One of my strategies was to dump the sugar down the sink. Or walk straight out to the bin with 10/12 donuts and dump them. I survived. A waste but I learnt. And I didn't dump dive but was worried I might.
I think it's fair to say that the behavioural responses/habits aren't necessarily easy to overcome or uncover? So I'm not under-valueing the commitment required to overcome the compulsion. Sometimes the compulsion just requires a little mental shift. Sometime therapeutic intervention. Sometimes just acknowledgement of why you do it is enough. Sometimes it means creating a better environment to support what you feel you need to do, And...you aren't going to do it perfectly.
I just want people starting, who believe they are addicted, to understand that the mountain may not be as steep as you've been led to think. Focus more on the realisation that this is not out of your control and then enjoy the process of changing it. Be liberated by it.
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s_pekz said "The only major issue I have with your statement above is that sugar is sugar. Your body really has no way of knowing where it is coming from. It processes sugar from a cookie and sugar from an apple the same way."
Maybe the body doesn't know where the sugar comes from but I bet an apple is a hell of a lot healthier than that small packet of jelly beans I ate yesterday.
s_pekz said "I am not going to get into the GMO discussion because I feel it would be not worth my effort on this forum."
Me neither!
An apple is healthier than jelly beans because of the other nutrients it carries, not because of what kind of sugar it has...
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I meant to respond to your extremist/alarmist comment..
I admit I am an extremist when it comes to nutrition and what I choose to eat. I'm a firm believer in all things natural, organic. I like to know where it's from and what's in it. It's the only body I'm going to get, so I make sure what I know exactly what I'm consuming. I don't trust manufactured food created by "food scientists". But it also makes my dietary choices extremely easy. There's no debate.. I know I'll be eating a meat, some veggies and a piece of fruit.. easy, done.
I'm with you one hundred precent in your comments ccb1128 and I don't for one second think ccb1128 was referring to the humble apple as being "manufactured food created by food scientists."
I also believe we should eat as close to nature as possible.
Too much refined sugar (and I am certainly not talking about fruit here) is NOT healthy for anyone and for me if I start eating lollies, I can't stop. It is like a little devil inside me making me eat more. Call me weak or lacking in will power but it doesn't seem to happen when I eat an apple.
I, personally, will continue to remove as much added refined sugar from my diet as possible and all these sugar is good for you arguments seem ridiculous to me. I listen to my body and when I eat a lot of sweet things I feel absolutely awful and wonder why I ate so much. Simple - sugar is addictive to me so don't eat it. Stick to the humble apple (as long as it is not GM ).
If you are responding to my "apple crisp" comment, you seem to have missed the second word, as well as the reference to various ingredients. I think sugar is sugar (though apples have lots of other great things, and so I eat them more often than some other sugar containing items, including the crisp), but I also think it's absurd and alarmist to call my homemade crisp, for one example, the product of food scientists, as if it were some scary thing inconsistent with health. Or even to suggest that it's somehow unnatural.
Also, it's silly to create some dichotomy between people who eat sugar and those who care about health.0 -
Ooops Lemurcat, sorry, you wrote "humble apple crisp" My excuse is I'm Australian, don't eat much wheat and am obviously dyslexic as well so when I was reading this at 7.45am this morning, I read it as crisp apple. I've never heard of an apple crisp.
Anyway, I read it wrong but my belief still stands and I am getting dizzy reading all the scientific research etc etc. As far as I am concerned, too much added refined sugar is unhealthy and I want it out of my diet as much as possible and nothing anyone has said will convince me any differently.0 -
I think everybody on this thread agrees that too much refined sugar is unhealthy. I think the real issue here is that people are demonizing food. This creates irrational fear and ED's . Carbs are evil, sugar is addictive, fat makes you fat etc. All the food groups when consumed in moderation, within your required calorie allowance are good for the body. Its overeating that causes problems.0
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Ooops Lemurcat, sorry, you wrote "humble apple crisp" My excuse is I'm Australian, don't eat much wheat and am obviously dyslexic as well so when I was reading this at 7.45am this morning, I read it as crisp apple. I've never heard of an apple crisp.
Anyway, I read it wrong but my belief still stands and I am getting dizzy reading all the scientific research etc etc. As far as I am concerned, too much added refined sugar is unhealthy and I want it out of my diet as much as possible and nothing anyone has said will convince me any differently.
The only time too much sugar or added sugar is when it takes away from other nutrients. Have any of the anti-sugar or anti-add sugar listened to what most of us state? We consistently state that you should always have a diet that is full of nutrient dense foods (meats, fruits, veggies, whole grains, dairy) and if you have some extra calories, have some ice cream or candy or whatever makes you happy and that will make you stick to your diet. And then it's further explained that if you tend to binge on a certain food, eliminate it.
I am baffled by the consistent fear mongering of sugar. It isn't inherently bad for you, it just doesn't have any nutrients except energy (and depending on application, energy could be available quickly or long term). In fact, I read an interesting article yesterday that someone posted in the gaining weight section.
http://www.jimstoppani.com/home/articles/to-carb-or-not-to-carb?preview
So depending on your training, the rest of your diet, how long and how intense you train, there is potential where stuff like gummy bears may become beneficial.
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Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar0
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abcmommyx3 wrote: »Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar
It's a group dedicated to people who are addicted to food. While I have just browsed a few areas of their website, I haven't seen a single reference to sugar.
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abcmommyx3 wrote: »Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar
It's a group dedicated to people who are addicted to food. While I have just browsed a few areas of their website, I haven't seen a single reference to sugar.
It's there on the FA Facts Page:
"Food addicts have an allergy to flour, sugar and quantities that sets up an uncontrollable craving. The problem can be arrested a day at a time by the action of our weighing and measuring our food and abstaining completely from all flour and sugar. FA defines abstinence as weighed and measured meals with nothing in between, no flour, no sugar and the avoidance of any individual binge foods."
Very alarmist, anti-scientific stuff I would expect from a 12 Step program that follows the AA model.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »abcmommyx3 wrote: »Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar
It's a group dedicated to people who are addicted to food. While I have just browsed a few areas of their website, I haven't seen a single reference to sugar.
It's there on the FA Facts Page:
"Food addicts have an allergy to flour, sugar and quantities that sets up an uncontrollable craving. The problem can be arrested a day at a time by the action of our weighing and measuring our food and abstaining completely from all flour and sugar. FA defines abstinence as weighed and measured meals with nothing in between, no flour, no sugar and the avoidance of any individual binge foods."
Very alarmist, anti-scientific stuff I would expect from a 12 Step program that follows the AA model.
Yea, very alarmist because one cannot function without some level of sugar.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »abcmommyx3 wrote: »Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar
It's a group dedicated to people who are addicted to food. While I have just browsed a few areas of their website, I haven't seen a single reference to sugar.
It's there on the FA Facts Page:
"Food addicts have an allergy to flour, sugar and quantities that sets up an uncontrollable craving. The problem can be arrested a day at a time by the action of our weighing and measuring our food and abstaining completely from all flour and sugar. FA defines abstinence as weighed and measured meals with nothing in between, no flour, no sugar and the avoidance of any individual binge foods."
Very alarmist, anti-scientific stuff I would expect from a 12 Step program that follows the AA model.
Yea, very alarmist because one cannot function without some level of sugar.
Not only that but they claim it to be an "allergy" that type of language is complete pseudo-scientific and has not basis in fact. It makes people believe that they have a disease and are helpless unless they avoid forever. This is the same for all 12 Steps which are based on religious rather than sceintific principles.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »*eats popcorn*
Pass some this way...0 -
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Me too. I still find ways to get it in -- drinking protein shakes and supplements, eating flavored oatmeal packets, and even eating Kashi dark chocolate cookies when I have a craving, and usually stay well under my caloric requirements. I also work out 2+ hours most days (5 of 7), so maybe that's why I'm still losing.0
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Maybe you can start with edits for sweets like : http://s3.amazonaws.com/hungry-girl/uploads/File/Club_Soda_Chocolate_Cake.pdf
and also check out something like http://www.amazon.com/Taste-Home-Cookbook-Favorites-Satisfying/dp/B00B1KWFIS/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y
or
http://www.amazon.com/Hungry-Girl-Under-Just-Desserts/dp/0312676743/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1415192086&sr=1-1&keywords=hungry+girl+desserts0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »abcmommyx3 wrote: »Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar
It's a group dedicated to people who are addicted to food. While I have just browsed a few areas of their website, I haven't seen a single reference to sugar.
It's there on the FA Facts Page:
"Food addicts have an allergy to flour, sugar and quantities that sets up an uncontrollable craving. The problem can be arrested a day at a time by the action of our weighing and measuring our food and abstaining completely from all flour and sugar. FA defines abstinence as weighed and measured meals with nothing in between, no flour, no sugar and the avoidance of any individual binge foods."
Very alarmist, anti-scientific stuff I would expect from a 12 Step program that follows the AA model.
Yea, very alarmist because one cannot function without some level of sugar.
psulemon do you have a link that supports that one can not function with out some level of sugar? Or that even carbs are required to live a productive working that is very physical in nature?
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »abcmommyx3 wrote: »Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar
It's a group dedicated to people who are addicted to food. While I have just browsed a few areas of their website, I haven't seen a single reference to sugar.
It's there on the FA Facts Page:
"Food addicts have an allergy to flour, sugar and quantities that sets up an uncontrollable craving. The problem can be arrested a day at a time by the action of our weighing and measuring our food and abstaining completely from all flour and sugar. FA defines abstinence as weighed and measured meals with nothing in between, no flour, no sugar and the avoidance of any individual binge foods."
Very alarmist, anti-scientific stuff I would expect from a 12 Step program that follows the AA model[\b].
I have no opinion but why do you feel that way about 12step programs?
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »abcmommyx3 wrote: »Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar
It's a group dedicated to people who are addicted to food. While I have just browsed a few areas of their website, I haven't seen a single reference to sugar.
It's there on the FA Facts Page:
"Food addicts have an allergy to flour, sugar and quantities that sets up an uncontrollable craving. The problem can be arrested a day at a time by the action of our weighing and measuring our food and abstaining completely from all flour and sugar. FA defines abstinence as weighed and measured meals with nothing in between, no flour, no sugar and the avoidance of any individual binge foods."
Very alarmist, anti-scientific stuff I would expect from a 12 Step program that follows the AA model[\b].
I have no opinion but why do you feel that way about 12step programs?
I will gladly discuss in PMs if you would like I think it would go to far OT otherwise.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »abcmommyx3 wrote: »Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar
It's a group dedicated to people who are addicted to food. While I have just browsed a few areas of their website, I haven't seen a single reference to sugar.
It's there on the FA Facts Page:
"Food addicts have an allergy to flour, sugar and quantities that sets up an uncontrollable craving. The problem can be arrested a day at a time by the action of our weighing and measuring our food and abstaining completely from all flour and sugar. FA defines abstinence as weighed and measured meals with nothing in between, no flour, no sugar and the avoidance of any individual binge foods."
Very alarmist, anti-scientific stuff I would expect from a 12 Step program that follows the AA model[\b].
I have no opinion but why do you feel that way about 12step programs?
I will gladly discuss in PMs if you would like I think it would go to far OT otherwise.
Thank you, that is a good idea. I will pm you0 -
I don't know if it was already stated, my apologies if it was. Have you set your macros up and are you concentrating on your protein yet? I have never conquered my sugar addiction but I'm way better than I was when my body was in the 300s&200s. Also I set up my macros to show my carbs/fiber so that I can figure out my nets in carbs rather than actual sugar. I go red in sugar just with produce alone, if I am tracking sugar vs. carbs. All the best to you You're in great company and I'm certain you can improve it. 0
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I'm sorry for not responding sooner, but I just came back to this thread after awhile of not looking at it.
Moderation is a nice concept but does not work for an alcoholic or others with addictive personalities when it comes to certain things. Such people need to just stay away from whatever triggers that compulsive nature.
Sugar is sugar whether it comes in fruit or you put sugar in your coffee. Your body does not know the difference. You don't gain weight from eating too much sugar, you gain from eating too much overall.
^^^^^^^Fruitylicious03 wrote: »Just don't eat it. As simple as it sounds... it is. Don't buy it. And don't have it in the house. That's it.
(*) THIS (*)
Everybody is addicted to sugar. Without it, we all would die. Sugar keeps our bodies functioning. The problem is not so much sugar but processed foods with added refined sugar. Naturally occurring sugars, such as those found in fruit, come from sources that benefit your diet.- SOLUTION: If man makes it, don't eat it.
You're not helpless. Just make this happen, and good luck!
Moderation in all things, unless you cannot eat certain things because you doctor has told you not due for medical reasons.
And, this from a girl who truly believed that she was addicted to sugar until she learned how to use the moderation tool.
That may be true for some people with addictive personalities, but not all. I know lots of recovering alcoholics and/or recovery alcoholics and they practice moderation with food.
Besides, I don't believe that alcohol and drug addictions have nothing to do with eating too much sugar. They are two different ballgames.
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Nah. It's not.You all are crazy to think sugar addiction doesn't exist. Sugar is a drug, just like heroin is drug. Opium gets refined to morphine which is further refined to a white chemical called heroin. Sugar cane is refined down to molasses which then gets further refined down to.. yep, a white chemical called sugar. Both reek havoc on our brains & systems. Methadone is another drug created to (unsuccessfully) combat heroin addiction, just like Insulin is now replicated in a lab to (unsuccessfully) combat sugar addicition. Don't believe me? Start reading anything you can get your hands on about it, and see for yourself.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »abcmommyx3 wrote: »Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous look up this group they work with people who are addicted to sugar
It's a group dedicated to people who are addicted to food. While I have just browsed a few areas of their website, I haven't seen a single reference to sugar.
It's there on the FA Facts Page:
"Food addicts have an allergy to flour, sugar and quantities that sets up an uncontrollable craving. The problem can be arrested a day at a time by the action of our weighing and measuring our food and abstaining completely from all flour and sugar. FA defines abstinence as weighed and measured meals with nothing in between, no flour, no sugar and the avoidance of any individual binge foods."
Very alarmist, anti-scientific stuff I would expect from a 12 Step program that follows the AA model.
Yea, very alarmist because one cannot function without some level of sugar.
psulemon do you have a link that supports that one can not function with out some level of sugar? Or that even carbs are required to live a productive working that is very physical in nature?
I have yet to see any literature that would support a literal zero level of carbs. I have seen this :http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/75/5/951.2.full
But a zero level (no fruit, veggies, grains, even some supplements) would be practically impossible and another extreme case use in an invalid argument.
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