Paleo question and recommendations
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Garbage explanation on obesity.
mentioned wrong book. thats why I ninja edited it.First of all, Taubes does not claim this---if so please please please prove this---give me the quotes from his writing to prove this.
It is not worth my time to argue with you.\
LOL?
please go
You make a claim. You don't back it up. You can spout off whatever they want, but when you don't back it up and and instead turn to insulting the person (me) asking for the supporting evidence, what do you think you've demonstrated? Presumably you have an opinion on what constitutes a health diet, and this forum is meant to allow people to discuss these things. How are your contributions affecting the tone of this message board? Do you really feel you are adding positive value?
So again I will ask, where do you see that Gary Taubes has said the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to human beings? From my reading he says people are misusing the first law to make an over simplified view of calorie consumption--which is not taking into account how all the calories get used, ie more than just BMR + exercise.
look at his WWGF book.
I have read Taubes' books. He does not say we are not subject to the laws of thermodynamics. On which page did you read this?
In his good calories bad calories he said overweight do not eat more/less calories than lean people do.
I will let Taubes defend himself:
http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2013/05/20/gary-taubes-explains-thermodynamics-to-jillian-michaels/
They still consumed more energy than required and to compare obesity to a room of people is ridiculous as there hasnt been a set limit on how much fat cells can multiply and grow.
If they talk about why people overeat its different. We know why obesity is there but why people overeat is related to satiation of processed foods.
There are mental and physical aspects of this
The cause of weight gain is intaking more energy than output.(Physical)
The reason people arent satisfied with their food consumption is different. This is due to the satiation of processed foods(mental)
There is no scientific data or studies that show how paleo is more effective on an energy balance level than it is for any other diet if both are done on where both diets are isocaloric.0 -
I will let Taubes defend himself:
http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2013/05/20/gary-taubes-explains-thermodynamics-to-jillian-michaels/
Not to mention the fact that calories in vs out doesn't sell books. Need to vilify something.0 -
Paleo, like all diets, comes with good and bad. It depends on the person. I started Paleo in Janurary and I did well. The moment I fell off I regretted not staying committed. You guys can discuss the scientific angle until you raise the dead, but ultimately if depends on you. I know people who haven't lost as much weight on Paleo, but feel so much better when their on it and that's why they chose to be on Paleo. It's all about how you feel. If you notice you can run longer while on the Palei diet, then why stop? I'm lactose intolerant and have issues with gluten, so I'm basically on Paleo by default. I hate all the crap they put in food these days so I perfer organic.
But Paleo doesn't teach portion control and that's what matters on Paleo. I love having salmon for breakfast, but I can't have a 10oz filet. And I can't cut all carbs (like rice, corn, and potatoes) because I need those for running. So basically, Paleo makes you feel good when you're on it and for me, that's good enough to stick with it.0 -
I have inflammatory conditions, i.e arthritis, autoimmune spinal condition, and PCOS and insulin resistance. I also am at high risk for Diabetes, which killed my mother last summer.
Since cutting out grains and processed sugars 8 months ago, my pain and inflammation levels have dropped significantly. My energy level is way up, no more extreme fatigue. No psoriasis flare ups. No more crazy mood swings. And I have lost 43 pounds since that time.
I no longer feel like I am 80 yrs old, stiff and hurting in the morning when I wake up. I rarely have to use my cane for walking anymore. I can ride over 5 miles on my trike. And this morning, for the first time in 13 years, I mowed the back yard, with a push mower.
I am not a die-hard Paleoist, but have adapted the plan to what works for me. I would recommend it to anyone who wants to try it, as most people feel so much better. There is nothing in the plan that will harm you.
I still eat cheese, but drink almond milk instead of cows milk, due to the high sugar in dairy milk.
And yes, for me, excess sugar IS the enemy.
Glad to hear you've found a diet that makes you feel better. Do you eat grains? If so, which ones, out of curiosity? I am experimenting with less refined carbs and sugars to see if I feel better. I don't follow a paleo diet---I still like and eat oats, dairy, legumes...
My experience mirrors the above with arthritis, eczema and diabetes. I also use a more Primal approach, allowing cheese and some yogurt. Due to celiac sprue and Hashimoto's thyroiditis, I avoid gluten which eliminates wheat, barley and rye. Diabetes took care of eliminating all other grains. I do eat legumes (except peanuts due to intolerance) on occasion but no more than 1/4 c. I also strictly limit fruit, which is not primal/paleo, but is necessary with diabetes.
And yes, for me as well, excess sugar (and starches, since they convert to sugar) IS the enemy.0 -
I'm going to be blunt.
I think Paelo is stupid. The science behind it doesn't work for me, I'm not going to argue about it, but I'll say that as someone with a degree in biology and at least half a brain, it makes about as much sense as going on Atkins, sure, it works for some people, but I could lose weight eating only carrots and ranch dressing too, that doesn't make it healthy. It's a fad diet, biologically speaking, you're not a paleolithic woman, you don't need to eat like one. Our bodies are not the same as our ancestors and our diets have evolved as well - there's absolutely nothing wrong with a healthy person with a body functioning as it should eating beans and grains.
So, in short, try it if you want to, but don't try to pretend it just makes sense because that's how our ancestors ate and that it's healthier than eating a well balanced modern diet. It's a fad, and like all fads, some people really get into it and it works for them, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a fad diet. And for the love of peanut butter and jelly, don't make your kids do it. They're growing and they need all food groups, putting your kids on a diet is absurd - they need to learn healthy balanced eating and portion control.0 -
I'm going to be blunt.
I think Paelo is stupid. The science behind it doesn't work for me, I'm not going to argue about it, but I'll say that as someone with a degree in biology and at least half a brain, it makes about as much sense as going on Atkins, sure, it works for some people, but I could lose weight eating only carrots and ranch dressing too, that doesn't make it healthy. It's a fad diet, biologically speaking, you're not a paleolithic woman, you don't need to eat like one. Our bodies are not the same as our ancestors and our diets have evolved as well - there's absolutely nothing wrong with a healthy person with a body functioning as it should eating beans and grains.
So, in short, try it if you want to, but don't try to pretend it just makes sense because that's how our ancestors ate and that it's healthier than eating a well balanced modern diet. It's a fad, and like all fads, some people really get into it and it works for them, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a fad diet. And for the love of peanut butter and jelly, don't make your kids do it. They're growing and they need all food groups, putting your kids on a diet is absurd - they need to learn healthy balanced eating and portion control.
UGH... It's not a fad diet. Not sure what science or diet you're looking at - but It's about eating healthy food (protein, veggies, fruit, nuts, etc), eliminating processed crap and eliminating items you are sensitive to. I didn't think I was sensitive to wheat until I went without it for a few months. The first time I slipped and ate it, I had a terrible stomach ache.
As for kids - since when is sugar and bread/pasta a food group? Kids can get by without eating grains - you can get carbs and fiber from veggies just fine.0 -
As for kids - since when is sugar and bread/pasta a food group?
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As for kids - since when is sugar and bread/pasta a food group? Kids can get by without eating grains - you can get carbs and fiber from veggies just fine.
Well, in general it is not recommended healthy children go on any restrictive diet. To remove whole grains, seeds, legumes, and tuber from a child's diet is just a shame. Especially with the chronic low fiber diets children normally consume.
I was actually educated on MFP, and I had to admit embarrassment as I should have known better. However, I want you to do this exercise figure out the amount of vegetables a child would have to eat to get about 20g of fiber a day. Then imagine would a child actually eat that amount? Vegetables in general only have 2g carbohydrate a serving, and current recommendation for carb intake in children is minimally 130g/day or about 50% of their total calories.
I bet you will be surprised at the amount and see that whole grains have to be substituted.
I'll give you a few veggies remember you are talking about a child having to eat all of this in one day:
1 cup Broccoli 2g
1 cup Summer Squash 1g
1 cup Spinach 1g
1 Large Apple 5g
1 cup Blueberries 4g
1 Large Banana 4g
1 cup Kale 1g
1 ounce Baby Carrot 1g
1 cup Peas 3g0 -
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I'm confused as to how you can simultaneously eliminate dairy and still cook everything in butter/ghee? It is, you know, made from cream, right? Did you not have to do that old-timey farm visit thing in grade school where you churned cream into butter? Toooootally dairy, guys.0
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I read Gary Taubes book 3 or 4 years ago. I think it is a great book.0
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I'm confused as to how you can simultaneously eliminate dairy and still cook everything in butter/ghee? It is, you know, made from cream, right? Did you not have to do that old-timey farm visit thing in grade school where you churned cream into butter? Toooootally dairy, guys.
Some Paleo people eat it - some do not. I personally do not. I use other fats such as coconut oil, avocado oil (which is super yummy) bacon fat and olive oil.0 -
Paleo works to an extent. their reasoning behind it is crap.I'm going to be blunt.
I think Paelo is stupid. The science behind it doesn't work for me, I'm not going to argue about it, but I'll say that as someone with a degree in biology and at least half a brain, it makes about as much sense as going on Atkins, sure, it works for some people, but I could lose weight eating only carrots and ranch dressing too, that doesn't make it healthy. It's a fad diet, biologically speaking, you're not a paleolithic woman, you don't need to eat like one. Our bodies are not the same as our ancestors and our diets have evolved as well - there's absolutely nothing wrong with a healthy person with a body functioning as it should eating beans and grains.
So, in short, try it if you want to, but don't try to pretend it just makes sense because that's how our ancestors ate and that it's healthier than eating a well balanced modern diet. It's a fad, and like all fads, some people really get into it and it works for them, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a fad diet. And for the love of peanut butter and jelly, don't make your kids do it. They're growing and they need all food groups, putting your kids on a diet is absurd - they need to learn healthy balanced eating and portion control.
If you take certain things from certain diets you can incorporate it into an overall perfect lifestyle.
The cultist actions make me despise paleo and the followers, along with the presentaiton of information.
The reason why people give up on diets is because of foods they crave, sugar, fried foods, etc.
That is why most diets fail eventually is because people want these foods again. Diets do not teach moderation, just full restriction.
If you can incorporate the whole foods of paleo which they do not talk about satiation. They use reversion to stone age diet(which is wrong in general), we did not consume meat heavy back then.
Incorporate IIFYM
The combination of using satiation heavy foods(you enjoy) along with "junk foods" you enjoy to fit your energy requirements is sustainable lifelong diet and is the way to go.
Paleo does not advertise itself as this.
The satiety of processed foods is crap, thats the truth of the matter.
Now for optimal dieting to consume as little calories as possible while eliminating hunger pains, IF I HAD TO FOR WHATEVER REASON, I would consume 100% non processed foods. meat, fruits, and vegetables.
But as I said before... its not sustainable long term.0 -
But as I said before... its not sustainable long term.
What do you consider long term? Is 15 months long term? How about 15 years? Your generalizations are as bad as the evangelical Paleo hype.
Why does everyone insist on telling everyone else how stupid they are? I don't bash your diet, why are you bashing mine? Everyone isn't as stupid as you think they are.
I will yell it loud and clear to anyone within earshot that I went from 254 lbs to 185 lbs and 36% BF to 16% BF on a Paleo diet. Only one data point you say? Damn skippy. The only data point that matters to me. I could care less what worked for you.
Let people decide for themselves.
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I will yell it loud and clear to anyone within earshot that I went from 254 lbs to 185 lbs and 36% BF to 16% BF on a Paleo diet.
Tom
good for you.
254 to 185? what? omg let me undue everything else that I said. I dropped 235 to 185 in 6 months. whats your point?
You were still hypocaloric regardless of what route you took.
i can eat w/e i want and still lose weight.
you have to follow a structured diet based around the elimination of food groups on the basis that they are unhealthy due to gluten, sugars, and the fact it is not older than 10,000 years old
even though bread is older than 10k years along with pie and many other products.0 -
I don't care.0
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When I get old and I have grankids. I am going to show them a picture of you, and tell them this bro told cool storiesI don't care.0 -
Still don't care.0
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My advice is not to get wrapped up in "is this paleo?" Make it work for YOU. When I started paleo, I avoided all grains, but now I eat some rice occasionally. I've done 4 Whole30s and find the hardest part is that sometimes you get tired of cooking all your own food and not having the "convenience" of just grabbing something. To make it easier, I do a lot of cooking on the weekend and basically we eat "leftovers" all week.0
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And also, don't post about paleo in the general forums or you'll get stupid, unnecessary comments. There are paleo groups you can join on here.0
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Congratulations on making the decision to eliminate unnecessary processed food from your diet! I recommend you purchase a few good cookbooks to get a good start on tasty dishes so that you don't get bored. One that was recommended to me is I THINK "Forever Paleo" and the woman's name last name I THINK is Fragossa? Sorry, I gave the book to a friend, but I think I am close enough for you to find it on Amazon. The author has children and has many child-friendly recipes.
I was doing Paleo, but recently found out that on top of everything else I need to eliminate, I am sensitive to almonds and eggs! So, I added back in legumes and some gluten free grains. Good luck with your new eating adventure!:happy:0 -
My advice is not to get wrapped up in "is this paleo?" Make it work for YOU. When I started paleo, I avoided all grains, but now I eat some rice occasionally. I've done 4 Whole30s and find the hardest part is that sometimes you get tired of cooking all your own food and not having the "convenience" of just grabbing something. To make it easier, I do a lot of cooking on the weekend and basically we eat "leftovers" all week.
Then you are no longer on paleo.
That means you are incorporating the basis of why paleo is effective, which is actually the proper thing to do0 -
That means you are incorporating the basis of why paleo is effective, which is actually the proper thing to do
What?
I mean that you'll find a hundred different versions of "paleo." Some "experts" say that things like rice are "safe starches." Some say that you should follow the 80/20 rule. Some say you shouldn't. Do what works for you. The principals of paleo are amazing and I follow it as a template, but don't get all stressed out over whether something "is paleo" or not or if I can eat. Thanks to Whole30, I realize that gluten will make me feel like crap for several days. Small amounts of dairy are ok for me, but too much will hurt. I avoid sugar most of the time, but sometimes I eat a candy bar and I don't call it a "cheat meal". It's just me eating a candy bar.0 -
That means you are incorporating the basis of why paleo is effective, which is actually the proper thing to do
What?
I mean that you'll find a hundred different versions of "paleo." Some "experts" say that things like rice are "safe starches." Some say that you should follow the 80/20 rule. Some say you shouldn't. Do what works for you. The principals of paleo are amazing and I follow it as a template, but don't get all stressed out over whether something "is paleo" or not or if I can eat. Thanks to Whole30, I realize that gluten will make me feel like crap for several days. Small amounts of dairy are ok for me, but too much will hurt. I avoid sugar most of the time, but sometimes I eat a candy bar and I don't call it a "cheat meal". It's just me eating a candy bar.
This.
I really cannot stand the paleo zealots, so I can totally understand and do agree with a lot of the comments regarding those folk. I cringe when I enter the paleo group here and see the self-appointed paleo police telling the noobs not to eat fruit. So long as you do not have blood sugar issues or some sort of allergy to a certain fruit, EAT THE FRUIT IN REASONABLE QUANTITIES--IT IS WONDERFUL.
I also don't give a toss about what cavemen ate or didn't. I really wish the whole caveman thing would be put out of its misery.
I agree that eating this way will not take the fat off any faster than eating any other way would, providing you are eating in a caloric deficit.
Regarding some of the misinformation in this thread: paleo/primal does not = low carb. Lots of paleo/primal people will purposely eat low carb, as they find that helpful for various conditions, reasons, whatever. Others just sort of end up low carb naturally, as they are not eating grains, processed foods, etc. And there are others who are not following low carb diets in any way, shape, or form and eat all sorts of carby goodness. My son falls into that group, whilst I have to be mindful of my carbs as I am insulin resistant.
Tubers are not excluded. Rice is not excluded. A number of paleo/primal people eat legumes as well. Dairy products are not off limits--it's up to you. Things that are discouraged: processed foods, refined sugars, most grains. Whole foods, organic grass fed/free range meats are strongly recommended, wild caught fish, organic fruits/veggies, raw dairy if you can tolerate it and can find it where you live, fermented foods, etc. I think someone else covered this stuff already in a previous post.
If paleo/primal is being properly applied, one will find their own way of eating that works best FOR THEM. That is the whole idea behind it--be your own n=1 experiment, find out what is sustainable and healthy for you, and eat that way. The "rules" are meant to be guiding principles, not etched in stone.
Robb Wolf is not a microbiologist. His degree is in biochemistry and he was a research biochemist prior to his success as an author and strength coach.
OP: My suggestion to you and anyone else who thinks eating this way may be beneficial is to start reading. Read books, websites/blogs that belong to the actual authors of books, listen to their podcasts, etc. Listen more closely to the moderate voices and those who are willing to say they were wrong about a previous idea they may have published, or something they posted on their blog. Take the words of fanboys/fangirls with a BIG pinch of natural sea salt.
It's common (and probably obvious at this point) that many of the paleo zealots haven't even bothered to pick up a book and read about this "lifestyle" they're so keen to preach on.
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That means you are incorporating the basis of why paleo is effective, which is actually the proper thing to do
What?
I mean that you'll find a hundred different versions of "paleo." Some "experts" say that things like rice are "safe starches." Some say that you should follow the 80/20 rule. Some say you shouldn't. Do what works for you. The principals of paleo are amazing and I follow it as a template, but don't get all stressed out over whether something "is paleo" or not or if I can eat. Thanks to Whole30, I realize that gluten will make me feel like crap for several days. Small amounts of dairy are ok for me, but too much will hurt. I avoid sugar most of the time, but sometimes I eat a candy bar and I don't call it a "cheat meal". It's just me eating a candy bar.
This.
I really cannot stand the paleo zealots, so I can totally understand and do agree with a lot of the comments regarding those folk. I cringe when I enter the paleo group here and see the self-appointed paleo police telling the noobs not to eat fruit. So long as you do not have blood sugar issues or some sort of allergy to a certain fruit, EAT THE FRUIT IN REASONABLE QUANTITIES--IT IS WONDERFUL.
I also don't give a toss about what cavemen ate or didn't. I really wish the whole caveman thing would be put out of its misery.
I agree that eating this way will not take the fat off any faster than eating any other way would, providing you are eating in a caloric deficit.
Regarding some of the misinformation in this thread: paleo/primal does not = low carb. Lots of paleo/primal people will purposely eat low carb, as they find that helpful for various conditions, reasons, whatever. Others just sort of end up low carb naturally, as they are not eating grains, processed foods, etc. And there are others who are not following low carb diets in any way, shape, or form and eat all sorts of carby goodness. My son falls into that group, whilst I have to be mindful of my carbs as I am insulin resistant.
Tubers are not excluded. Rice is not excluded. A number of paleo/primal people eat legumes as well. Dairy products are not off limits--it's up to you. Things that are discouraged: processed foods, refined sugars, most grains. Whole foods, organic grass fed/free range meats are strongly recommended, wild caught fish, organic fruits/veggies, raw dairy if you can tolerate it and can find it where you live, fermented foods, etc. I think someone else covered this stuff already in a previous post.
If paleo/primal is being properly applied, one will find their own way of eating that works best FOR THEM. That is the whole idea behind it--be your own n=1 experiment, find out what is sustainable and healthy for you, and eat that way. The "rules" are meant to be guiding principles, not etched in stone.
Robb Wolf is not a microbiologist. His degree is in biochemistry and he was a research biochemist prior to his success as an author and strength coach.
OP: My suggestion to you and anyone else who thinks eating this way may be beneficial is to start reading. Read books, websites/blogs that belong to the actual authors of books, listen to their podcasts, etc. Listen more closely to the moderate voices and those who are willing to say they were wrong about a previous idea they may have published, or something they posted on their blog. Take the words of fanboys/fangirls with a BIG pinch of natural sea salt.
It's common (and probably obvious at this point) that many of the paleo zealots haven't even bothered to pick up a book and read about this "lifestyle" they're so keen to preach on.
BS. I do nothing BUT research health and nutrition. I faced a choice last year: keep being sick, depressed, suicidal, in pain, etc and get Type 2 diabetes OR change WHAT I eat. Yeah, I must be real stupid to decide to prevent diabetes and heal myself with diet... why not just wait until I really had diabetes and deal with the symptoms with meds? Me so stupid.
The basic premise is to eat unprocessed, biologically appropriate foods (yes, ANIMALS). How is that NOT beneficial? The labels of paleo, primal, blah blah, who cares?0 -
That means you are incorporating the basis of why paleo is effective, which is actually the proper thing to do
What?
I mean that you'll find a hundred different versions of "paleo." Some "experts" say that things like rice are "safe starches." Some say that you should follow the 80/20 rule. Some say you shouldn't. Do what works for you. The principals of paleo are amazing and I follow it as a template, but don't get all stressed out over whether something "is paleo" or not or if I can eat. Thanks to Whole30, I realize that gluten will make me feel like crap for several days. Small amounts of dairy are ok for me, but too much will hurt. I avoid sugar most of the time, but sometimes I eat a candy bar and I don't call it a "cheat meal". It's just me eating a candy bar.
This.
I really cannot stand the paleo zealots, so I can totally understand and do agree with a lot of the comments regarding those folk. I cringe when I enter the paleo group here and see the self-appointed paleo police telling the noobs not to eat fruit. So long as you do not have blood sugar issues or some sort of allergy to a certain fruit, EAT THE FRUIT IN REASONABLE QUANTITIES--IT IS WONDERFUL.
I also don't give a toss about what cavemen ate or didn't. I really wish the whole caveman thing would be put out of its misery.
I agree that eating this way will not take the fat off any faster than eating any other way would, providing you are eating in a caloric deficit.
Regarding some of the misinformation in this thread: paleo/primal does not = low carb. Lots of paleo/primal people will purposely eat low carb, as they find that helpful for various conditions, reasons, whatever. Others just sort of end up low carb naturally, as they are not eating grains, processed foods, etc. And there are others who are not following low carb diets in any way, shape, or form and eat all sorts of carby goodness. My son falls into that group, whilst I have to be mindful of my carbs as I am insulin resistant.
Tubers are not excluded. Rice is not excluded. A number of paleo/primal people eat legumes as well. Dairy products are not off limits--it's up to you. Things that are discouraged: processed foods, refined sugars, most grains. Whole foods, organic grass fed/free range meats are strongly recommended, wild caught fish, organic fruits/veggies, raw dairy if you can tolerate it and can find it where you live, fermented foods, etc. I think someone else covered this stuff already in a previous post.
If paleo/primal is being properly applied, one will find their own way of eating that works best FOR THEM. That is the whole idea behind it--be your own n=1 experiment, find out what is sustainable and healthy for you, and eat that way. The "rules" are meant to be guiding principles, not etched in stone.
Robb Wolf is not a microbiologist. His degree is in biochemistry and he was a research biochemist prior to his success as an author and strength coach.
OP: My suggestion to you and anyone else who thinks eating this way may be beneficial is to start reading. Read books, websites/blogs that belong to the actual authors of books, listen to their podcasts, etc. Listen more closely to the moderate voices and those who are willing to say they were wrong about a previous idea they may have published, or something they posted on their blog. Take the words of fanboys/fangirls with a BIG pinch of natural sea salt.
It's common (and probably obvious at this point) that many of the paleo zealots haven't even bothered to pick up a book and read about this "lifestyle" they're so keen to preach on.
BS. I do nothing BUT research health and nutrition. I faced a choice last year: keep being sick, depressed, suicidal, in pain, etc and get Type 2 diabetes OR change WHAT I eat. Yeah, I must be real stupid to decide to prevent diabetes and heal myself with diet... why not just wait until I really had diabetes and deal with the symptoms with meds? Me so stupid.
The basic premise is to eat unprocessed, biologically appropriate foods (yes, ANIMALS). How is that NOT beneficial? The labels of paleo, primal, blah blah, who cares?
I love how you took my post and decided it was all about YOU. :laugh:0 -
Which recent studies? I work in medical research and the most recent obesity studies on fructose have been in rats and have adverse effects as a result. It would be interesting to see research proving the contrary.
This is asking DatMurse about this comment:
BTW fructose as a cause of obesity and health problems has been destroyed by recent studies.
Edited by DatMurse On May 27, 2013 22:080 -
For the life of me I'll never understand the heated debate that Paleo stirs up. Or how any "diet" that suggests eating more real whole foods, and less processed stuff can be considered bad.
Yes following it to the letter might be a bit tedious and unneccesary for most, but even the biggest supporters of Paleo suggest an 80/20 split.0 -
Ditto. People get heated over "South Beach" as well. When really it just says: eat whole grains and lean meats and limit your sweets and processed foods. The horror.For the life of me I'll never understand the heated debate that Paleo stirs up. Or how any "diet" that suggests eating more real whole foods, and less processed stuff can be considered bad.
Yes following it to the letter might be a bit tedious and unneccesary for most, but even the biggest supporters of Paleo suggest an 80/20 split.0 -
http://evolvinghealthscience.blogspot.com/2012/05/fate-of-fructose-interview-with-dr-john.htmlWhich recent studies? I work in medical research and the most recent obesity studies on fructose have been in rats and have adverse effects as a result. It would be interesting to see research proving the contrary.
This is asking DatMurse about this comment:
BTW fructose as a cause of obesity and health problems has been destroyed by recent studies.
Edited by DatMurse On May 27, 2013 22:08
google the fructose studies.
you can use pubmed to find the studies.
The "recent" fructose studies were done on rats 30+ years ago by injecting them with 60% energy based off of fructose.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7043185
that study?0
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