People need to help each other-not argue.

emilysmallfry93

I'm just saying now as I have noticed over the past few weeks just reading the posts that some people just want to shoot you down and make you feel so bad about having different views to diet and exercise!!

ONE solution doesn't work for EVERY person.

This site is for people to help each other, share ideas, don't tell me I'm wrong. Thanks

nomeejerome

I'm just saying now as I have noticed over the past few weeks just reading the posts that some people just want to shoot you down and make you feel so bad about having different views to diet and exercise!!

ONE solution doesn't work for EVERY person.

This site is for people to help each other, share ideas, don't tell me I'm wrong. Thanks

Sometimes people will take a response as "rude"....when in reality the response was clarification for wrong information....not different views.....but wrong information.....

rhogr000

I'm just saying now as I have noticed over the past few weeks just reading the posts that some people just want to shoot you down and make you feel so bad about having different views to diet and exercise!!

ONE solution doesn't work for EVERY person.

This site is for people to help each other, share ideas, don't tell me I'm wrong. Thanks

Is this your first time on the internet?

Forums provide you with the means to parade your "knowledge" around and remain completely anonymous while doing so; the draw is too tantalizing to pass up for many people (myself included). Getting into debates is part of the fun.

That said, this site (in particular) is rife with misconceptions about diet and exercise (including generous portions of fad-diet proselytizing and broscience) that will leave newbies feeling confused and overwhelmed. Many of them will probably just give up on diet and exercise altogether...and that's certainly NOT what we want.

emilysmallfry93

That's fine, but who knows who has the wrong information and who doesn't? its just silly bickering, I joined this site so I would be able to have support from other people and help others, now i think i might just leave the topics altogether.

emilysmallfry93

I'm just saying now as I have noticed over the past few weeks just reading the posts that some people just want to shoot you down and make you feel so bad about having different views to diet and exercise!!

ONE solution doesn't work for EVERY person.

This site is for people to help each other, share ideas, don't tell me I'm wrong. Thanks

Is this your first time on the internet?


Forums provide you with the means to parade your "knowledge" around and remain completely anonymous while doing so; the draw is too tantalizing to pass up for many people (myself included).

haha no, unfortunately not my first time on the internet. maybe im too nice.

emilysmallfry93

That said, this site (in particular) is rife with misconceptions about diet and exercise (including generous portions of fad-diet proselytizing and broscience) that will leave newbies feeling confused and overwhelmed. Many of them will probably just give up on diet and exercise altogether...and that's certainly NOT what we want.
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it just makes me laugh there is so much false advertising of things around but the moment we try and help its like noooooo youre soooooo wrong. gah. i forgot how annoying the internet is.

jacksonpt

I'm just saying now as I have noticed over the past few weeks just reading the posts that some people just want to shoot you down and make you feel so bad about having different views to diet and exercise!!

ONE solution doesn't work for EVERY person.

This site is for people to help each other, share ideas, don't tell me I'm wrong. Thanks

I get your point and generally agree (there are a lot of "my way or the highway" people here), but conversely, some people ARE wrong and need to be told so.

nomeejerome

OP:
Your "help" was telling someone they could have gained 5lbs of muscle in a couple of days....and when someone corrected you on providing wrong information....you called them rude.

cwolfman13

That's fine, but who knows who has the wrong information and who doesn't? its just silly bickering, I joined this site so I would be able to have support from other people and help others, now i think i might just leave the topics altogether.

Actually, there are a lot of knowledgeable people here and there's a lot of correct information out there...it's pretty easy to discern fact from fiction IMHO, but then again, I like to do a lot of research. Most of the "arguing" you see is people who are knowledgeable trying to dispel miss-information.

When it comes down to it, this is just very simple math and science. When you understand that, it becomes very easy to recognize BS and bro-science for what it is.

rhogr000

Your "help" was telling someone they could have gained 5lbs of muscle in a couple of days....and when someone corrected you on providing wrong information....you called them rude.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

rhogr000

That's fine, but who knows who has the wrong information and who doesn't? its just silly bickering, I joined this site so I would be able to have support from other people and help others, now i think i might just leave the topics altogether.

Actually, there are a lot of knowledgeable people here and there's a lot of correct information out there...it's pretty easy to discern fact from fiction IMHO, but then again, I like to do a lot of research. Most of the "arguing" you see is people who are knowledgeable trying to dispel miss-information.

When it comes down to it, this is just very simple math and science. When you understand that, it becomes very easy to recognize BS and bro-science for what it is.

This

nomeejerome

Your "help" was telling someone they could have gained 5lbs of muscle in a couple of days....and when someone corrected you on providing wrong information....you called them rude.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

My response was for the OP

rhogr000

Your "help" was telling someone they could have gained 5lbs of muscle in a couple of days....and when someone corrected you on providing wrong information....you called them rude.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

My response was for the OP

Gotcha :-)

bostonwolf

Understand that a lot of people are here only to be negative trolls. You will quickly learn who they are and then simply ignore them.

Every message board has them. This one more than others.

emilysmallfry93

I just felt the way you replied was rude; i may have skip-read the post because obviously i was wrong.

meh, im wrong either way tbh. all i know is what i am doing is working so im trying not to let the other **** get to me.

PlayerHatinDogooder

Understand that a lot of people are here only to be negative trolls. You will quickly learn who they are and then simply ignore them.

Every message board has them. This one more than others.

Although do keep in mind that people also like to throw the term 'troll' around rather loosely (especially on this site). If someone has a differing opinion or perhaps states something contradictory to you they're often called a troll . . . . . when in reality they're just disagreeing with you.

OP it's an internet forum. We're not all going to get along. If you can't handle it I think you might want to reconsider making regular posts on the main boards.

brower47

I've noticed that people take differing opinions as arguing/rude/mean spirited. I think the better advice is to take everything with a grain of salt and toughen up. The mods take care of the really bad posts when they rile enough feathers. I'd rather read a lively discussion with dissenting opinions than a whole bunch of people saying "Yeah, that's great! Good job! Good luck! Hope it works for you!"

One can bring new ideas and challenge possibly bad information. The other is just a bunch of hugging and useless garbage.

jacksonpt

I've noticed that people take differing opinions as arguing/rude/mean spirited. I think the better advice is to take everything with a grain of salt and toughen up. The mods take care of the really bad posts when they rile enough feathers. I'd rather read a lively discussion with dissenting opinions than a whole bunch of people saying "Yeah, that's great! Good job! Good luck! Hope it works for you!"

One can bring new ideas and challenge possibly bad information. The other is just a bunch of hugging and useless garbage.

No we can't... this forum is about supporting people on their journeys to healthier lifestyles, and disagreeing is just plain mean.

EmilyOfTheSun

That's fine, but who knows who has the wrong information and who doesn't? its just silly bickering, I joined this site so I would be able to have support from other people and help others, now i think i might just leave the topics altogether.

Problem solved. Log your food and stay off the boards if you don't like reading what others have to say.

bostonwolf

Understand that a lot of people are here only to be negative trolls. You will quickly learn who they are and then simply ignore them.

Every message board has them. This one more than others.

Although do keep in mind that people also like to throw the term 'troll' around rather loosely (especially on this site). If someone has a differing opinion or perhaps states something contradictory to you they're often called a troll . . . . . when in reality they're just disagreeing with you.

OP it's an internet forum. We're not all going to get along. If you can't handle it I think you might want to reconsider making regular posts on the main boards.

I agree. As you post more you start to learn the difference.

And I tend to be pretty direct with folks if I think what they are doing is dead wrong, but you can tell someone that and not be a jerk about it if you choose.

emilysmallfry93

I think because many of us have been doing this for so long we know what works, what doesn't, what has been said to us by nutritionists etc etc etc....everything conflicts. That's why I find that when someone is having trouble with losing weight or whatever its hard to put your opinion across.

jacksonpt

I think because many of us have been doing this for so long we know what works, what doesn't, what has been said to us by nutritionists etc etc etc....everything conflicts. That's why I find that when someone is having trouble with losing weight or whatever its hard to put your opinion across.

More than likely, conflicting information happens when

1) someone is being ignorant
2) someone doesn't have enough perspective on the conversation (too close-minded or short sighted).

BeachGingerOnTheRocks

I don't mind being told I'm wrong. When I am wrong and learn something, that is a net gain for knowledge.

When someone tells another person that the reason the scale hasn't moved when they're supposedly eating at a deficit is because they've gained muscle, then that's misinformation that should be corrected. When another person tells someone that they can't eat potatoes, pasta, or fruit, then that should also be corrected. People who are new to weight loss read things online or bring a lot of pre-conceived notions to the process that aren't going to help them. People who have lost the weight and are maintaining are great sources of information.

If someone is rude for the sake of being rude, that is a different issue. Those people usually don't last long.

emilysmallfry93

I don't mind being told I'm wrong. When I am wrong and learn something, that is a net gain for knowledge.

When someone tells another person that the reason the scale hasn't moved when they're supposedly eating at a deficit is because they've gained muscle, then that's misinformation that should be corrected. When another person tells someone that they can't eat potatoes, pasta, or fruit, then that should also be corrected. People who are new to weight loss read things online or bring a lot of pre-conceived notions to the process that aren't going to help them. People who have lost the weight and are maintaining are great sources of information.

If someone is rude for the sake of being rude, that is a different issue. Those people usually don't last long.

haha okay then well; as previously written i have apologised as i didnt read that post thoroughly enough obviously.
so are you trying to judge a book by its cover and say i dont know anything about weight-loss also? that isnt intended as rude i just would like to know.

thesupremeforce

I don't pretend to know everything, so I don't get offended when someone corrects me. I also don't run around giving people incorrect advice out of some misguided need to feel supportive.

MudRunLvr

You've contradicted yourself with your own words a number of times in this thread alone.

You've said no one is an expert, everyone's different (common misconception) and we should all support each other. You've also said this place has a bunch of bad information and you've been at this so long that you know what works (you joined MFP this month).

From the looks of things you gave bad advice in a thread and someone pointed it out. That's generally why people start these threads.

Sorry. I know it stings and it's not a fun feeling. But it's a wonderful chance for you to learn something. That will serve you better than telling everyone else how to behave.

Take a breath and step away from the computer for a minute. This does not have to be a big dea.

AlsDonkBoxSquat

Sometimes responses can be rude, sometimes they can be contrary . . . I find that people who just want to be validated regardless of the error of their logic/ways/blah confuse these two.

Some opinions can be wrong, if there are facts that proves opinions wrong opinions are wrong and people need to deal with it.

Concise or direct answers aren't rude, they're just given by people who don't have time to coddle.

whierd

Arguing/debating points on forums IS helping people. By virtue of the debating, each side has a chance to present its case. I like to call that Pushing The BS Button. If you call attention to someone who makes a claim and cannot back it up with facts, they are BS'ing. Nutrition, especially, is rife with misinformation and partial anecdotal evidence. You may hear someone say that they know someone who lost x amount of pounds doing y, but fail to include all of the circumstances around it and if they were able to maintain that weightloss.

It is important to debate these points so that newer people have access to REAL information without having to wade through a sea of nonsense. And perceiving blunt truth as rudeness is a weakness on your part. I recommend lifting to bulk up your skin.

emilysmallfry93

You've contradicted yourself with your own words a number of times in this thread alone.

You've said no one is an expert, everyone's different (common misconception) and we should all support each other. You've also said this place has a bunch of bad information and you've been at this so long that you know what works (you joined MFP this month).

From the looks of things you gave bad advice in a thread and someone pointed it out. That's generally why people start these threads.

Sorry. I know it stings and it's not a fun feeling. But it's a wonderful chance for you to learn something. That will serve you better than telling everyone else how to behave.

Take a breath and step away from the computer for a minute. This does not have to be a big dea.

ok. firstly, i started tracking calories about two months ago with mfp-but this doesnt mean i havent been exercising and doing hiit for a while. so please dont try and say i dont know anything. thankyou for your advice.

brower47

Wow, I just read the topic you responded to that spurred this thread. He wasn't being rude to you at all.

For those interested in what transpired to create this thread, here you go.

Muscle weighs more than fat, so it could be that you've gained a bit of muscle mass and lost some fat over the past couple of days. have you eaten much protein?

NO...

1) You don't gain any appreciable muscle while at a deficit of calories; building muscle requires a surplus. You cannot be anabolic and catabolic at the same time.

2) You most certainly don't put on 5 Lbs of muscle in three days...a male with decent genetics who has a spot on diet and spends a good deal of time in the weight room might put on 6 Lbs of actual muscle in an entire year.

Was just simply trying to help. no need to be rude.

whierd

I don't mind being told I'm wrong. When I am wrong and learn something, that is a net gain for knowledge.

When someone tells another person that the reason the scale hasn't moved when they're supposedly eating at a deficit is because they've gained muscle, then that's misinformation that should be corrected. When another person tells someone that they can't eat potatoes, pasta, or fruit, then that should also be corrected. People who are new to weight loss read things online or bring a lot of pre-conceived notions to the process that aren't going to help them. People who have lost the weight and are maintaining are great sources of information.

If someone is rude for the sake of being rude, that is a different issue. Those people usually don't last long.

I feel the bolded part is incredibly important. Sometimes people are so stuck on their own opinions that they simply cannot be swayed despite evidence to the contrary. It can be an ego breaker, but I appreciate it when people call me out and prove me wrong, because I learned something and gained both knowledge and wisdom.