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Crisseyda
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I have been absorbing this truth over the last 10 months or so... It has changed my diet, my body, and my life... and it all started with a simple proposition:
Dietary fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol do not contribute to heart disease.
I'm curious, does anybody out there in forum-land know what does?
It has taken me a lot of research to somewhat answer that question. I'm wondering if anyone else already uncovered it long before me... ?
Dietary fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol do not contribute to heart disease.
I'm curious, does anybody out there in forum-land know what does?
It has taken me a lot of research to somewhat answer that question. I'm wondering if anyone else already uncovered it long before me... ?
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No idea. 'Cause' is a funny thing, misleads many. Sells newspapers to say fat causes heart disease... but it also sells newspapers to say it doesn't.0
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aqsylvester wrote: »I have been absorbing this truth over the last 10 months or so... It has changed my diet, my body, and my life... and it all started with a simple proposition:
Dietary fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol do not contribute to heart disease.
I'm curious, does anybody out there in forum-land know what does?
It has taken me a lot of research to somewhat answer that question. I'm wondering if anyone else already uncovered it long before me... ?
Genetics. Obesity. Lifestyle.
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I've been reading about how chronic inflammation likely is the culprit.0
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Do tell. I could use some interesting Sunday reading!0
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Tblackdogs wrote: »I've been reading about how chronic inflammation likely is the culprit.
Yes! I agree. From what I've read, inflammation is likely the cause. Seen, for example, in the link between poor dental hygiene (gingivitis) and heart attacks (acute myocardial infarction).
The question is... what's causing the inflammation?
I really don't want to just spill out everything I think... I'm curious if anybody else has already been pointed toward similar conclusions.0 -
Lourdesong wrote: »No idea. 'Cause' is a funny thing, misleads many. Sells newspapers to say fat causes heart disease... but it also sells newspapers to say it doesn't.
"Cause" is a very loaded word. And I didn't use it. Of course, heart disease is a multifactorial process.
Yet, despite what mainstream nutrition since the 1970s will tell you, research has failed to correlate dietary saturated fat with heart disease...
So what are real contributing factors? And why is heart disease now so incredibly rampant?0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »No idea. 'Cause' is a funny thing, misleads many. Sells newspapers to say fat causes heart disease... but it also sells newspapers to say it doesn't.
"Cause" is a very loaded word. And I didn't use it. Of course, heart disease is a multifactorial process.
Yet, despite what mainstream nutrition since the 1970s will tell you, research has failed to correlate dietary saturated fat with heart disease...
So what are real contributing factors? And why is heart disease now so incredibly rampant?
Carbohydrates, however...0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »Lourdesong wrote: »No idea. 'Cause' is a funny thing, misleads many. Sells newspapers to say fat causes heart disease... but it also sells newspapers to say it doesn't.
"Cause" is a very loaded word. And I didn't use it. Of course, heart disease is a multifactorial process.
Yet, despite what mainstream nutrition since the 1970s will tell you, research has failed to correlate dietary saturated fat with heart disease...
So what are real contributing factors? And why is heart disease now so incredibly rampant?
Carbohydrates, however...
Lol strong trolling0 -
Stress, genes, obesity, lifestyle... good job realizing dietary cholesterol does not equate bad blood cholesterol! Others need to figure that out, too.
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Current lifestyle trends include one big word: sedentary. More kids are staying indoors playing video games and watching TV, using smartphones and computers. More adults have sedentary jobs. Cars are used to get to and from places even when the weather's nice. Fifty years ago, even twenty years ago, we didn't the NFL to start a Play60 program to tell kids to spend 60 minutes a day doing physical exercise, because that's all we did, play outside when we weren't in school. We had physical chores, and rode our bikes everywhere. When we played, we didn't have computers and phones and video games so we weren't sitting. Moms had fewer machines to do housework for them so it was more physical, too. Dads often had physical jobs. People walked places sometimes, and fewer people had cars, and if they did, families only had one.
People ate more eggs, more real butter, drank whole milk. They didn't think about saturated fat, and yet heart disease is still rampant as the #1 killer today. Hm. I don't think it's the saturated fat.
There are many more obese people today, and it's due to the sedentary lifestyle and the habit of overeating anything, not one specific food group.0 -
processed food0
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
The longest living and healthiest populations on Earth follow high carb diets.0 -
Listen to the series of podcasts "Brain-Body Breakthroughs" by Larry McCleary MD.
His series of podcasts attempts to debunk many modern medical myths, much of his focus is on diet and nutrition and how much of our understanding of modern medicine is wrong.
A lot of the debunking usually points to flawed science and poor use of statistics (e.g. statins and cholesterol). The upshot of a lot of his arguments (usually by specialists in that particular field) are that we live in an age where many never question scientific fact and just accept it with blind faith. Much of this existing "wisdom" appears to come from flawed science conducted over 100 years ago and never questioned since. Worth a listen, all it costs you is your time.
He may turn out to be a quack, you make up your own mind, but if we didn't question what is considered common wisdom from time to time we'd all still be living in the dark ages. Just consider how many common ideas regularly get debunked on these forums when it comes to diet and exercise.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
It's not mainstream because it's not clear yet.
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aqsylvester wrote: »The question is... what's causing the inflammation?
It's normal to have some degree of inflammation. "Inflammation" is how our bodies heal.
Of course many people have an imbalance with too much inflammation due to all sorts of factors. A lot of it is probably dietary, and processed foods are probably a big culprit. But unfortunately the answer is not as simple as just "processed foods."0 -
Let's do rational thought a favor and not leap from fats to processed food in one fell swoop.
Besides, "processed" can mean steaming your veggies or baking chicken. Any process that alters food from its original form. Pretty broad term.0 -
aqsylvester wrote: »http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/heart-disease/basics/causes/con-20034056
~Atherosclerosis (a buildup of fatty plaques in the arteries)
~Arrhythmia (messed up heart rhythms)
~Genetic defects
~Cardiomyopathy (thickening of the heart muscle)
~Heart infections (bacteria, viruses, parasites_
~Vascular disease (rheumatic fever, infections, connective tissue disorders)
I see you listed a bunch of common ways the heart can be diseased. Some are more rare, some more common.
I'm talking about the most common of all: atherosclerosis... which leads to arrhythmias and cardiomyopathy.
One person said it: processed food
Yup, that's what I'd say. Specifically because of the extreme excess of omega 6 fatty acids, trans fats, and sugar (and, yes, carbohydrates, in general).
Of course, I could go into far more depth on each of these and why. But, my point is... yes, my mind was blown this year by discovering this truth. I'm glad. And I feel more healthier now than ever. I just wish it was more mainstream. I wonder if others are coming to realization.
I'm not sure truth means what you think it means
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