Is sugar addiction real?
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no answer yet ... but I'm hopeful. bacon addiction: real?
In for bacon addiction.
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OP - since this thread is about you and your needs, my suggestion is to stay away from this subject and certain groups and members that are associated with it, and to focus instead on people who have been successful in transforming their lives. There is quite a bit of real support on here and a number of people who will push you to be your best. Learning to moderate your food intake is not always easy but it can be done. Eliminating sugar from your diet would eliminate fruit among other foods. This is one of many reasons I believe that equating sugar cravings with the likes of alcoholism and drug addiction is unfair, and that the solution that would naturally be proposed (the complete elimination of sugar from your diet), is not reasonable or sustainable.
Wrong on several points. I have been quite successful so far and continue to have success. I would stop short of saying that anything physical would ever "transform" my life, but I am enjoying better health than I have for a long time. What you define as "real support" is sarcastic and attempts to shame in some misguided notion of "pushing" someone to "be your best". I am VERY moderate in my food intake--if you would see my food diary (which is only available for viewing by MFP friends, you would see that. I am very specific to say that I have eliminated "sugary foods"--that is food with added sugar and fruit is part of MY daily diet---unlike another "sugar lover" here who will remain nameless. He published a list of foods that HE ate and even though Pop-Tarts and ice cream were there, there was NO fruit--and I pointed that out to him.
To the contrary, my diet is quite sustainable and I have proved it by staying on it for over three years while my weight has slowly crept downward. You really don't have a leg to stand on here.
This thread is not about you. It is about the OP.
Um--I NEVER said it was about me. You were the one who sought to discredit what I was saying by focusing on me and my situation (ad hominem). I was merely giving what many here consider to be sound advice. Again, if you have nothing positive to contribute, perhaps it is best for you to refrain from commenting.0 -
Saw a episode on Dr. Oz...he said it is true. He said that everyone has different taste buds, and some of us react different to sugar and salt. They did a test on the show with 6 people in a 3 week course. Four out of 6 craved more sugar when given to them. The other two craved salt. I believe it is true!!!!!!!!!!!
If you saw it on Dr. Oz you can safely assume it's nonsense. Raspberry keytones anyone?0 -
ad·dic·tion
noun
the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.
I know many people that love sugar and don't like the thought of cutting down on it but I don't know anyone that suffers severe trauma when they don't get enough sweets. I think people confuse "I want" with "I need".
Addiction: "An addiction is characterized by inability to consistently abstain, impairment in behavioral control, craving, diminished recognition of significant problems with one’s behaviors and interpersonal relationships, and a dysfunctional emotional response."
Okay then thanks for the definitions.
by the first definition I am addicted to air.
by the second I am addicted to d!ck.
by the time my husband gets home and my mom brain is done with these terms you could say I'm air****thead.0 -
Saw a episode on Dr. Oz...he said it is true. He said that everyone has different taste buds, and some of us react different to sugar and salt. They did a test on the show with 6 people in a 3 week course. Four out of 6 craved more sugar when given to them. The other two craved salt. I believe it is true!!!!!!!!!!!
If you saw it on Dr. Oz you can safely assume it's nonsense. Raspberry keytones anyone?
does the marionberry have a keytone? I really like those. also, huckleberry. yeah, I'd tear up some huckleberry keytone.0 -
IDK, but theres' definitely something to it. When I used to do a low carb diet that required quitting sugar completely it wasn't easy. Then once "clean" off the sugar, it was like if I had too much in the form of a simple sugar like cookie, cake, whatnot, it started me craving sugary foods and carbs in general. So to my mind, it's some kind of a trigger for wanting more of itself, so unsure what to call it but an addiction sounds close. Although I know addiction is the topic of the day, and so I hesitate to say it since I know some people are up in arms about the misuse of the word.
For sure though too much sugar makes you want more. That I know.
For some people. Personally I don't find it to be true. I suppose a person can be "addicted" to anything pleasurable, and if cutting things completely from one's diet for a short time helps then I'd support that. But many many people are plenty capable of having sugar without feeling out of control at all. I just get irritated when people tell me that I'm just "under the influence of my addiction" and other nonsense. That hasn't happened in this thread but I've encountered it in others.
I also think that the goal ought to be to be able to have things in moderation at some point. Just my opinion.0 -
Part of your question may be answerd if you read the book by Michael Moss - Salt Sugar Fat.0
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ad·dic·tion
noun
the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.
I know many people that love sugar and don't like the thought of cutting down on it but I don't know anyone that suffers severe trauma when they don't get enough sweets. I think people confuse "I want" with "I need".
Addiction: "An addiction is characterized by inability to consistently abstain, impairment in behavioral control, craving, diminished recognition of significant problems with one’s behaviors and interpersonal relationships, and a dysfunctional emotional response."
Okay then thanks for the definitions.
by the first definition I am addicted to air.
by the second I am addicted to d!ck.
by the time my husband gets home and my mom brain is done with these terms you could say I'm air****thead.
exactly.
really, really liking something and wanting more of it because we like it and it's good does not mean we are addicted. It means we have a normal, human response. If we give in, it means that, at that moment, we either decided it was OK at that time or we lacked the willpower to do what nancy reagan said we should.
which is why I brought up bacon. I like it. a lot. as is normal. and if there are four slices on a plate, I will want to eat four slices. this does not mean I am addicted to bacon.0 -
I'll stay out of the debate and answer the "what to do about it" part of the question: just cut it out, temporarily at least. For a few weeks, do your absolute best to avoid foods with added sugars, and stick to lower-sugar fruits. Let your taste buds and hormones adjust. You can add cookie, cake, candy, whatever back in eventually, but form strong habits with non-triggering, nutrient-packed foods first, and when you begin to eat sugary food again, make it a treat. Also, make sure it's something you really, really WANT - it's easy to finish something because it's there even though you don't really like it or were satisfied with half a cookie instead of a whole one.
I think this is sound advise. I found that by eating fruit, I was able to satisfy my sweet tooth and limit my cravings for high sugar sweets. It also helped to log my consumption (recognize calorie cost of treats) and adding exercise to the routine. One thing I have managed to stop is my heavy consumption of coca cola.Now I limit it to movie theatres and have noticed that it doesn't have the same power over me. This could be a result of my increasing my intake of water.0 -
If you saw it on Dr. Oz you can safely assume it's nonsense. Raspberry keytones anyone?
Apparently raspberry ketones are old hat for our dear Doctor ... I keep seeing adds for other "magic foods" he's recommending. Try googling "dr oz is a quack" and see what you come up with.
Regarding addiction, there are physiological addictions, and there are behavioral addictions. The neurotransmitter mechanism involved in both is the same. That's why you can become addicted to a behavior like gambling, or sex.
If one can't stop eating things with sugar in them, that's a behavioral addiction not physical dependency, and it calls for behavioral actions to address it rather than drugs or "magic foods". None of the "programs" I've done over the decades (including a medically-supervised fast) have focused on behavior; it's always been added as an afterthought. Google "mindful eating" and "intuitive eating" for some good reading ... in a nutshell, most of these non-dieting approaches say, work at becoming aware of your hunger and satiety cues, don't eat things out of a sense of obligation (if you hate kale, you hate kale), and don't eat while you're doing something else.
I restrict sugars and refined carbs, and bad fats; combined with food journaling and mindful eating, this combo works for me. I have no plan to eliminate sugars from my diet, but I know I'll need to view the "food pyramid" in a different way and monitor myself for the rest of my life. Just my two cents' worth.0 -
OP - since this thread is about you and your needs, my suggestion is to stay away from this subject and certain groups and members that are associated with it, and to focus instead on people who have been successful in transforming their lives. There is quite a bit of real support on here and a number of people who will push you to be your best. Learning to moderate your food intake is not always easy but it can be done. Eliminating sugar from your diet would eliminate fruit among other foods. This is one of many reasons I believe that equating sugar cravings with the likes of alcoholism and drug addiction is unfair, and that the solution that would naturally be proposed (the complete elimination of sugar from your diet), is not reasonable or sustainable.
Wrong on several points. I have been quite successful so far and continue to have success. I would stop short of saying that anything physical would ever "transform" my life, but I am enjoying better health than I have for a long time. What you define as "real support" is sarcastic and attempts to shame in some misguided notion of "pushing" someone to "be your best". I am VERY moderate in my food intake--if you would see my food diary (which is only available for viewing by MFP friends, you would see that. I am very specific to say that I have eliminated "sugary foods"--that is food with added sugar and fruit is part of MY daily diet---unlike another "sugar lover" here who will remain nameless. He published a list of foods that HE ate and even though Pop-Tarts and ice cream were there, there was NO fruit--and I pointed that out to him.
To the contrary, my diet is quite sustainable and I have proved it by staying on it for over three years while my weight has slowly crept downward. You really don't have a leg to stand on here.
This thread is not about you. It is about the OP.
Um--I NEVER said it was about me. You were the one who sought to discredit what I was saying by focusing on me and my situation (ad hominem). I was merely giving what many here consider to be sound advice. Again, if you have nothing positive to contribute, perhaps it is best for you to refrain from commenting.
I will comment when I deem it appropriate, your constant diatribes about me attacking you notwithstanding. Let me remind you that disagreeing with you is not the same as attacking you. I will also point out that it was not I that commented to your post, but the other way around.0 -
Yes it is.
My mother is addicted to sugar. She's learned to keep it out of the house. I've seen her go on crazy eating binges when I was younger... whole tins of Oreo's, brownies, Full cartons of ice cream...
She still has fruit, and more "natural" sugars. But she knows she can't just stop at one cookie. I apparently don't take after her, I can have 2 cookies and say ok, I'm done.
Yes, I think it is dependent on a number of factors. One factor is leptin-resistance. Most obese women are leptin-resistant and that is part of the picture of food addiction. Many obesity researchers feel that sugar consumption is at the heart of food addiction. What are the foods people binge on?---candy, cookies, ice cream, etc. I think the sugar-habit gets one used to the feeling of being "high" on sugar and then, when that person is not, he/she craves getting "high" again. It is very similar to alcohol addiction (in fact, sugar is processed in the body in ways that are very similar to the ways that alcohol and sugar alcohols--mannitol, zylitol, maltitol, etc. are.) What is interesting is that I have run into several recovering alcoholics over the years and often they will complain that they have replaced their alcohol habit with a sugar habit (and gained a lot of weight because of it). OR, they will say that they can't even eat or drink anything sweet, as it makes them crave alcohol--I knew one man who would not drink fruit juice or soda pop because of that. Interesting.
Here is a link to the proceedings from a conference on "food addiction" from several years ago. http://www.foodaddictionsummit.org/index.htm
One of the presenters (Richard J. Johnson, M.D. Head of the Renal Division at the medical center at the University of Colorado) said that he and his team of researchers were able to create "metabolic syndrome" in a majority of normal weight men during a two week study, by giving them supplemental sweet drinks. They did give them a fairly large dose but normally, "metabolic syndrome" takes decades to produce and what was striking even to the researchers was that it only took TWO WEEKS in this case. Fortunately, the subjects of the study returned to normal after the testing period was over.
Fairly large, as in subjects were given an additional 200g of fructose daily, on top of their normal diet? lol0 -
In for answers on the diagnostic criteria for "sugar addiction" and proof that doesn't involve rats
I don't understand what this comment means?
It means someone likes to argue......and YES, sugar addiction is real.......says about 98% of humans, not rats......seems you are once again outnumbered :laugh: :laugh:
So approx 7 billion people agree that sugar addiction is real? You'd think if that was the case there would be pretty clear and uniform diagnostic criteria for it. Does health insurance typically cover sugar addiction treatment or is there a premier rehab clinic for sugar addiction?0 -
In for answers on the diagnostic criteria for "sugar addiction" and proof that doesn't involve rats
I don't understand what this comment means?
It means someone likes to argue......and YES, sugar addiction is real.......says about 98% of humans, not rats......seems you are once again outnumbered :laugh: :laugh:
So approx 7 billion people agree that sugar addiction is real? You'd think if that was the case there would be pretty clear and uniform diagnostic criteria for it. Does health insurance typically cover sugar addiction treatment or is there a premier rehab clinic for sugar addiction?
I realize you want to throw the burden of proof on others......but again I ask you, where's your proof? Since you are so opinionated on the subject......got anything to back it up other than your opinion? And the health insurance thing......there is a lot they don't cover, doesn't mean the person's health issue isn't real.
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In for answers on the diagnostic criteria for "sugar addiction" and proof that doesn't involve rats
I don't understand what this comment means?
It means someone likes to argue......and YES, sugar addiction is real.......says about 98% of humans, not rats......seems you are once again outnumbered :laugh: :laugh:
So approx 7 billion people agree that sugar addiction is real? You'd think if that was the case there would be pretty clear and uniform diagnostic criteria for it. Does health insurance typically cover sugar addiction treatment or is there a premier rehab clinic for sugar addiction?
health insurance doesnt call it sugar addiction. It calls it diabetes.0 -
In for answers on the diagnostic criteria for "sugar addiction" and proof that doesn't involve rats
I don't understand what this comment means?
It means someone likes to argue......and YES, sugar addiction is real.......says about 98% of humans, not rats......seems you are once again outnumbered :laugh: :laugh:
So approx 7 billion people agree that sugar addiction is real? You'd think if that was the case there would be pretty clear and uniform diagnostic criteria for it. Does health insurance typically cover sugar addiction treatment or is there a premier rehab clinic for sugar addiction?
I realize you want to throw the burden of proof on others......but again I ask you, where's your proof? Since you are so opinionated on the subject......got anything to back it up other than your opinion? And the health insurance thing......there is a lot they don't cover, doesn't mean the person's health issue isn't real.
The burden of proof is on the claim maker, so still awaiting you to present your evidence of it's existence. So far we've gotten anecdotal evidence and studies on rats.0 -
don't forget dr oz.0
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In for answers on the diagnostic criteria for "sugar addiction" and proof that doesn't involve rats
I don't understand what this comment means?
It means someone likes to argue......and YES, sugar addiction is real.......says about 98% of humans, not rats......seems you are once again outnumbered :laugh: :laugh:
So approx 7 billion people agree that sugar addiction is real? You'd think if that was the case there would be pretty clear and uniform diagnostic criteria for it. Does health insurance typically cover sugar addiction treatment or is there a premier rehab clinic for sugar addiction?
I realize you want to throw the burden of proof on others......but again I ask you, where's your proof? Since you are so opinionated on the subject......got anything to back it up other than your opinion? And the health insurance thing......there is a lot they don't cover, doesn't mean the person's health issue isn't real.
The burden of proof is on the claim maker, so still awaiting you to present your evidence of it's existence. So far we've gotten anecdotal evidence and studies on rats.
waiting.....................zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........that's what I thought. :noway:0 -
oh, and bacon addiction.
(I hesitate to bring it up ... but, acg, I think you may be an ice cream addict.)0 -
Yes ! As bad an addiction as crack cocaine! Speaking from experience :sad:
Please tell me more about the last time your children went hungry because you spent all your money on cupcake frosting.
Yes, I am curious about this as well.
Simple answer... I am sure it is easier to afford a 5 pound bag of sugar compared to 5lbs of crack cocaine... unless we are talking about 5 pounds of cocaine weight less than 5 pounds of sugar...LOL0 -
Have you ever prostituted yourself to go buy a dime bag of Ores? If not then you are not even lose to addicted. Have you ever stolen from someone to go buy Sees candy? Sorry your not an addict.0
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Have you ever prostituted yourself to go buy a dime bag of Ores?
yes :blushing: That settles it! I am an addict.....Yes!0 -
I stole from my husband's change canister last week to buy See's candy. He is now keeping it in the car. Guess I'm a see's *kitten*?! I'll blow him tonight for oreos.Have you ever prostituted yourself to go buy a dime bag of Ores? If not then you are not even lose to addicted. Have you ever stolen from someone to go buy Sees candy? Sorry your not an addict.0 -
I stole from my husband's change canister last week to buy See's candy. He is now keeping it in the car. Guess I'm a see's *kitten*?! I'll blow him tonight for oreos.Have you ever prostituted yourself to go buy a dime bag of Ores? If not then you are not even lose to addicted. Have you ever stolen from someone to go buy Sees candy? Sorry your not an addict.
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In for answers on the diagnostic criteria for "sugar addiction" and proof that doesn't involve rats
I don't understand what this comment means?
It means someone likes to argue......and YES, sugar addiction is real.......says about 98% of humans, not rats......seems you are once again outnumbered :laugh: :laugh:
So approx 7 billion people agree that sugar addiction is real? You'd think if that was the case there would be pretty clear and uniform diagnostic criteria for it. Does health insurance typically cover sugar addiction treatment or is there a premier rehab clinic for sugar addiction?
I realize you want to throw the burden of proof on others......but again I ask you, where's your proof? Since you are so opinionated on the subject......got anything to back it up other than your opinion? And the health insurance thing......there is a lot they don't cover, doesn't mean the person's health issue isn't real.
The burden of proof is on the claim maker, so still awaiting you to present your evidence of it's existence. So far we've gotten anecdotal evidence and studies on rats.
waiting.....................zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........that's what I thought. :noway:
You'll have to please quote what claim you want substantiated.0 -
IDK, but theres' definitely something to it. When I used to do a low carb diet that required quitting sugar completely it wasn't easy. Then once "clean" off the sugar, it was like if I had too much in the form of a simple sugar like cookie, cake, whatnot, it started me craving sugary foods and carbs in general. So to my mind, it's some kind of a trigger for wanting more of itself, so unsure what to call it but an addiction sounds close. Although I know addiction is the topic of the day, and so I hesitate to say it since I know some people are up in arms about the misuse of the word.
For sure though too much sugar makes you want more. That I know.
I beilieve that sugar is addictive, moreover, add wheat to sugar and you're hooked! You can't stop eating...or I can't when I've combined them in the past...bowls of sweetened cereal, cookies, cakes, donuts...couldn't stop til they were all gone...and then I'd crave some more. I read Wheat Belly last December, and it clicked. I stopped eating grains (and also sugar) and I honestly don't want them at all...I don't even think about them anymore.0 -
In for answers on the diagnostic criteria for "sugar addiction" and proof that doesn't involve rats
I don't understand what this comment means?
It means someone likes to argue......and YES, sugar addiction is real.......says about 98% of humans, not rats......seems you are once again outnumbered :laugh: :laugh:
So approx 7 billion people agree that sugar addiction is real? You'd think if that was the case there would be pretty clear and uniform diagnostic criteria for it. Does health insurance typically cover sugar addiction treatment or is there a premier rehab clinic for sugar addiction?
I realize you want to throw the burden of proof on others......but again I ask you, where's your proof? Since you are so opinionated on the subject......got anything to back it up other than your opinion? And the health insurance thing......there is a lot they don't cover, doesn't mean the person's health issue isn't real.
The burden of proof is on the claim maker, so still awaiting you to present your evidence of it's existence. So far we've gotten anecdotal evidence and studies on rats.
waiting.....................zzzzzzzzzzzzzz........that's what I thought. :noway:
You'll have to please quote what claim you want substantiated.
As I said, so far I've only seen you post your opinion about sugar addiction but nothing to back it up. Just proof, plain and simple.......and per your self-imposed rules; no rats, please.0 -
I'll make no comment on 'sugar addiction', because it makes a mockery of real addiction.
But sugar is definitely 'more-ish'. I find that if I eat sugary snacks when I'm not hungry, they will actually make me feel hungry and want more. I can only assume it's generations of genetic programming, the body saying "hey, this is a great energy source, stock up before it goes away!"0 -
I beilieve that sugar is addictive, moreover, add wheat to sugar and you're hooked! You can't stop eating...or I can't when I've combined them in the past...bowls of sweetened cereal, cookies, cakes, donuts...couldn't stop til they were all gone...and then I'd crave some more. I read Wheat Belly last December, and it clicked. I stopped eating grains (and also sugar) and I honestly don't want them at all...I don't even think about them anymore.
Doesn't the fact that you could simply stop eating them fly in the face of them being truly addictive?
I think it's a rare crack addict that wakes up and says "this is bad for me" and quits cold turkey.
I think you are confusing tasty and 'more-ish' for addiction.0 -
IDK, but theres' definitely something to it. When I used to do a low carb diet that required quitting sugar completely it wasn't easy. Then once "clean" off the sugar, it was like if I had too much in the form of a simple sugar like cookie, cake, whatnot, it started me craving sugary foods and carbs in general. So to my mind, it's some kind of a trigger for wanting more of itself, so unsure what to call it but an addiction sounds close. Although I know addiction is the topic of the day, and so I hesitate to say it since I know some people are up in arms about the misuse of the word.
For sure though too much sugar makes you want more. That I know.
I beilieve that sugar is addictive, moreover, add wheat to sugar and you're hooked! You can't stop eating...or I can't when I've combined them in the past...bowls of sweetened cereal, cookies, cakes, donuts...couldn't stop til they were all gone...and then I'd crave some more. I read Wheat Belly last December, and it clicked. I stopped eating grains (and also sugar) and I honestly don't want them at all...I don't even think about them anymore.
Congrats! I've been thinking about reading that too. I'm practicing 80/20 primal. I've done it before and felt so much better.0
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