When did 'chemical' become a bad word?
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sheldonz42 wrote: »
Everybody on here is using the belief one.
Especially those who believe they are using the scientific one.
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sheldonz42 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sheldonz42 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sheldonz42 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »sheldonz42 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »As far as diet goes, I think it became a bad word when man starting f'n with the food supply by adding chemicals that weren't naturally in the food.
You mean like when Native Americans would add salt to meat when drying it to better preserve it? (just an example)
No, not really. I wouldn't consider personal preservation of food as f'n with the food supply. I was referring more to mass production.
So, more like adding chlorine to mass water supplies to make city drinking water safe.
Oh, you are just trying to be argumentative. I get it. I never said all chemical additions were bad. I just answered the OP's question. Also, not sure water supply and food supply are the same things.
But basically yeah, it starts with added chlorine, then another chemical, then another, some of which are quite controversial.
My point is the same as OP's - "chemical" is not a bad word. At least it shouldn't be. And I will add that just because something is man-made doesn't make it bad.
If the OP's point was that "chemical" is not a bad word, then the subject line seems kind of nonsensical.
Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
Yes, I saw it. I don't think any words are bad. Words are just a means of communication. Some chemicals are bad, some are good. But, I also don't pretend that I think people are talking about the chemical makeup of water or an apple when they say they prefer that their food is not laden with chemicals, or that I think people who make comments like that are stupid. I don't see the point of that.0 -
sheldonz42 wrote: »
Everybody on here is using the belief one.
Especially those who believe they are using the scientific one.
You're absolutely right. However, good luck convincing me that water is not a chemical by any definition, as water can be both naturally occuring and derived by man from other things.0 -
Oh come on. It has an LD50 higher than table salt. 4220mg/kg.I dunno - there's a thread still going in which someone was convinced that sodium bicarbonate was toxic...
It is. You can overdose on it.
http://umm.edu/health/medical/ency/articles/baking-soda-overdose"Some athletes and coaches believe that drinking baking soda prior to competition helps a person perform for longer periods of time. This is extremely dangerous, and in addition to side effects, it actually makes the athletes unable to perform."
That's a lot of sodium bicarb...0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »I hope it's not a bad word - otherwise I can't tell my son what type of engineering degree I have...
Oh - and while we are at it, can somebody please explain to the non-GMO crowd that you have never eaten a naturally occuring ear of corn in your lifetime, and likely have not eaten a natural variety of tomato in your life; because they have been cross-bred for so long.
So no, it is not entirely the same. Also Monsanto has made it illegal to reharvest the seeds from your GMO produce so the farmers are forced to keep purchasing their seeds every year.
I personally prefer heirloom vegetables whose seeds I can harvest and replant every year.
Monsanto patented their seeds, just like any other company would patent an original product, and farmers are not forced to choose Monsanto products, there are plenty of other seed companies to choose from.0 -
Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
ETA: And if you really and truly think that there is no harm in chemicals (in food or otherwise) then go tell that to my friend who is now severely allergic to ANYTHING that has chemicals in it due to using oil based paint that she is on a respirator and house-bound. Anything can cause a severe and potentially deadly reaction.0 -
sheldonz42 wrote: »
Everybody on here is using the belief one.
Especially those who believe they are using the scientific one.
How about the Webster's dictionary definition?
1: of, relating to, used in, or produced by chemistry or the phenomena of chemistry <chemical reactions>0 -
Pffft, pure belief!moremuffins wrote: »sheldonz42 wrote: »
Everybody on here is using the belief one.
Especially those who believe they are using the scientific one.
How about the Webster's dictionary definition?
1: of, relating to, used in, or produced by chemistry or the phenomena of chemistry <chemical reactions>
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goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
ETA: And if you really and truly think that there is no harm in chemicals (in food or otherwise) then go tell that to my friend who is now severely allergic to ANYTHING that has chemicals in it due to using oil based paint that she is on a respirator and house-bound. Anything can cause a severe and potentially deadly reaction.
I wish I could count the times I have read in things in the forums like "I eat chemical-free food" or "I try to avoid chemicals in my food." Sure, I know what they mean, but is just sounds so incredibly stupid.
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moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
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goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
Artisinally crafted and gluten free.
I'd bet you I'll make a lot of money that way too.0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
Whatever the chemical's name is?
Chemicals are really described by their properties like boiling and melting points, pH, whether they are ionic salts or organic molecules, as well as how they react with other chemicals.0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
A chemical. I think you are missing my point. Basically everything, when you get down to a certain level, is made up of chemicals. So why do people use the word with such a negative connotation?0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
Artisinally crafted and gluten free.
I'd bet you I'll make a lot of money that way too.
Better share those millions with those who inspired the idea!0 -
Seriously, where is the like button?!goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
Artisinally crafted and gluten free.
I'd bet you I'll make a lot of money that way too.
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moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
A chemical. I think you are missing my point. Basically everything, when you get down to the chemical composition level, is a chemical. So why do people use the word with such a negative connotation?
Everything is not a chemical. Some things are comprised of many chemicals.
Just sayin', since we are being picky about words.
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moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
A chemical. I think you are missing my point. Basically everything, when you get down to the chemical composition level, is a chemical. So why do people use the word with such a negative connotation?
Because enough science isn't taught in school any more. People are more scientifically illiterate. It shows big time on MFP.0 -
Use the flag button. It's our version of like in MFP land.
Seriously, where is the like button?!goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
Artisinally crafted and gluten free.
I'd bet you I'll make a lot of money that way too.
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moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
Artisinally crafted and gluten free.
I'd bet you I'll make a lot of money that way too.
Better share those millions with those who inspired the idea!
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goddessofawesome wrote: »mommyofjan wrote: »
I think it's the man-made chemicals that get people in an uproar
Funny how this point was glossed over.
Baking soda is man-made. So is table salt. And sugar. Botulinum is naturally occurring and one teaspoon of it is enough to kill one-quarter of world's population. To kill the bacteria that produces it, we often add highly concentrated man-made sugar and/or man-made acids to our foods. Fancy that.0 -
moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
A chemical. I think you are missing my point. Basically everything, when you get down to the chemical composition level, is a chemical. So why do people use the word with such a negative connotation?
Because enough science isn't taught in school any more. People are more scientifically illiterate. It shows big time on MFP.
You've got that right. Some posts I read and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
The best/worst are the ones that want an all-natural, chemical-free, non-GMO diet.0 -
sammmmykins wrote: »sammmmykins wrote: »Artificial sweeteners are bad, not because they cause cancer or anything insane like that, but because their far more acidic and worst for your teeth than sugar.
Seriously, just use real sugar but in sensible amounts and you're not gonna get fat.
Artificial sweeteners are good, because they don't make you fat despite how much you use.
yea, might just ruin your teeth though. Better to just eat stuff with sugar in it but act like a responsible adult and not over consume.
So... you've never heard of a tooth brush?0 -
You've got that right. Some posts I read and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
The best/worst are the ones that want an all-natural, chemical-free, non-GMO diet.
It's quite possible. You can grow your own food, get your beef, chicken, pork etc. from local farms that don't use hormones (which I find it rather funny that stores pay MORE for non-hormone injected meat), same goes for eggs and milk. You could buy grain, get a grain grinder and make your own flour to make bread and pastas with. Grow your own herbs, make your own sauces, can and freeze the vegetables that you harvest. . . .0 -
EatsNotTreats wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
A chemical. I think you are missing my point. Basically everything, when you get down to the chemical composition level, is a chemical. So why do people use the word with such a negative connotation?
Because enough science isn't taught in school any more. People are more scientifically illiterate. It shows big time on MFP.
You've got that right. Some posts I read and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
The best/worst are the ones that want an all-natural, chemical-free, non-GMO diet.
Well, isn't it just enough that you disagree with what we try to eat rather than say it's the "best/worst".
When I say best it's about the deliberately obtuse ones that make me laugh, like Food Babe.
When I say worst it's about the people who are making a real effort at what they perceive to be eating healthier, but don't understand or have gotten bad information about what healthier is.
Chemical does not mean bad. Natural does not mean good. And the GMO subject is so complex it's impossible to understand all the ramifications (both positive and negative) without some serious research or a post-secondary degree.0 -
No, I'm saying the alarmists who demonize foods, and are scared of "chemicals" and say "I don't eat anything I can't pronounce" seem to have very little scientific education.EatsNotTreats wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
A chemical. I think you are missing my point. Basically everything, when you get down to the chemical composition level, is a chemical. So why do people use the word with such a negative connotation?
Because enough science isn't taught in school any more. People are more scientifically illiterate. It shows big time on MFP.
What level of school are you referring to? Are you implying that those who are on one side of the camp have a formal education in science while those on the other side do not?
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Let's take water. Natural water would come straight from the creek and will have trace elements that human intervention would remove, like minerals, parasites, and bacteria. Some are innocuous, others deadly. Minerals in some quantity are beneficial. Human intervention might chemically treat the water with chlorine (bleach) or something similar, and regulated testing would make sure the treated water is safe to drink. There we have tap water.
Then there's distilled water. Distilled gets a bad name, but the process about guarantees the purest product you can hope for, 99.9999% or somesuch. My daughter pounces on the last 0.00001%; surely THAT might be dangerous?
I can promise you of the three, the natural water is the most dangerous.0 -
moremuffins wrote: »EatsNotTreats wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »moremuffins wrote: »goddessofawesome wrote: »Did you even read the OP's post after the subject line? He is saying that water is a chemical. So, if you are one of the folks who subscribe to the idea that "chemical" is a bad word, you need to rethink your stance or get some education. The idea that "chemical" is a bad word IS nonsensical.
I'm not sure anyone is saying it's a bad word except for the OP. So what if someone prefers to not eat food that has FD&C Yellow #5 or Red Dye #5 in it (seriously, when did YOU ever pick fruit from one of those trees)? No one is debating the fact that chemicals are in everything around us in the world they are merely saying that there ARE chemicals that can be potentially harmful to you. If you think all chemicals are fine and dandy then by all means. Go drink a bottle of Clorox or Lysol.
My point is that the word "chemical" in relation to what we consume has this stigma that it's toxic and bad for you, which just isn't true. It's misleading and inaccurate and screams "Hey I'm preaching about something that I know nothing about!"
Then what would you call something that is chemically produced in a lab?
A chemical. I think you are missing my point. Basically everything, when you get down to the chemical composition level, is a chemical. So why do people use the word with such a negative connotation?
Because enough science isn't taught in school any more. People are more scientifically illiterate. It shows big time on MFP.
You've got that right. Some posts I read and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
The best/worst are the ones that want an all-natural, chemical-free, non-GMO diet.
Well, isn't it just enough that you disagree with what we try to eat rather than say it's the "best/worst".
When I say best it's about the deliberately obtuse ones that make me laugh, like Food Babe.
When I say worst it's about the people who are making a real effort at what they perceive to be eating healthier, but don't understand or have gotten bad information about what healthier is.
Chemical does not mean bad. Natural does not mean good. And the GMO subject is so complex it's impossible to understand all the ramifications (both positive and negative) without some serious research or a post-secondary degree.
And your last sentence is why many think GMO is bad or should be labelled. Same for additives. They don't want to have to go get a degree to feel the food they buy is safe.0 -
goddessofawesome wrote: »You've got that right. Some posts I read and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry.
The best/worst are the ones that want an all-natural, chemical-free, non-GMO diet.
It's quite possible. You can grow your own food, get your beef, chicken, pork etc. from local farms that don't use hormones (which I find it rather funny that stores pay MORE for non-hormone injected meat), same goes for eggs and milk. You could buy grain, get a grain grinder and make your own flour to make bread and pastas with. Grow your own herbs, make your own sauces, can and freeze the vegetables that you harvest. . . .
If I had the time and energy and time I would love that diet, because I would know exactly how everything I ate was handled. However, that being said, it would still have chemicals because chemicals are not just herbicides and additives, but also the lactose in the milk, they make up the proteins in the meat and to make bread you have to have a chemical reaction. Chemical is really a benign word that people have twisted and is now misused.
Also what about the hormones produced by the animal itself?0
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