sugar intake - don't understand
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Marianna93637 wrote: »I don't get it. I don't eat sweets, not now and not before because I just don't crave it.
My only sugar intake comes from fresh fruit (banana, strawberry, etc), and the creamer from my coffee (I don't use sugar).
Today I've eaten 1 banana, coffee with creamer, egg whites with a little butternut squash and onion, tuna salad, steamed red cabbage and water. I'm already over my allowed sugar intake and it's only 3:30 !!!!
This doesn't make sense. Granted most of it came from my creamer, but I can't do sugar free, it tastes nasty. But a large portion came from the banana - why is that a negative?
You've run into one of the great limitations of MFP: It can't distinguish sugar the way you're supposed to eat it (wrapped in a whole fruit with lots of fiber) from high fructose corn syrup, fruit juice stripped of fiber, or other processed crap.
In simple terms, the fiber in whole fruit prevents your body from processing the sugar instantly and spiking your insulin level. So it shouldn't count against your sugar total (neither should lactose in milk which is chemically speaking sugar but isn't metabolized in the same harmful way). Fruit is good as long as it's whole.
My source is the book Dr Lustig's book Fat Chance: The Bitter Truth about Sugar. Here's his youtube lecture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
LOL yes, because natural sugar is so much better than added sugar….oh wait, sugar, regardless of where it comes from, is the same at the molecular level …
right, so fruit sugar is not processed but added sugar is..totally legit...0 -
Marianna93637 wrote: »Thank you! I will switch the creamer to the fat free to reduce some calorie and fat, ...
I am under my calorie intake, so I guess I won't worry so much.
Thank you!
Nah, enjoy the real cream if you can stay under your calories. It's the total calorie count that makes the most difference. Fat is also important for good health.
For example, we fry eggs in real butter. It tastes better and does not stick to the pan like the lecithin from a spray can.
(I think the best way to have espresso is with a bit of anisette liqueur.)
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Get calcium off your tracked items list and replace it with something useful like calcium. Cuz bones and heartbeats.0
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christinev297 wrote: »I'm an Aussie and have no idea what creamer is, can someone explain please. We just have normal plain ol milk here lol
"Creamer" is the term for anything that is used to whiten coffee or tea that is non dairy (to be distinguished from actual cream) and was originally sugar free and low fat (but the fat in it was transfats). The first were just powdered fake milk-like products, then they started to make them liquid, then flavor and sweeten them. Now you can get all kinds of flavors to mimic the different flavored coffees you can get in a coffeehouse like amaretto, pumpkin spice, French Vanilla, etc. My personal favorite was Italian Sweet Cream but I also liked the eggnog that comes out in the fall for the holidays. A few years ago, they started to come out with flavored, sweetened creamers that are actually made with dairy.
I prefer half and half in my coffee and that is still the most common dairy coffee additive in the US (half cream and half milk). I substitute milk if it is not available and I prefer milk in my tea. Cream or half and half are too rich and overpower the tea flavors.
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EatsNotTreats wrote: »EatsNotTreats wrote: »EatsNotTreats wrote: »__drmerc__ wrote: »It's not - sugar from fruits with fiber is absorbed slowly into the bloodstream (because of the fiber) which causes a slow rise in insulin to turn the sugar into energy for the body. The problem comes when you eat excess amounts of added/processed sugars that are absorbed into the bloodstream causing a rapid spike in insulin. These large surges of insulin eventually cause you to be tired and hungry. Over time, they can cause fat deposits and diseases like Diabetes Type II and heart disease.
I try to keep my added/processed sugars under 25 - 30 grams a day. I don't worry about sugar from fruit.
Glycemic Index Table for Fruit & Vegetables
Glycemic Index FAQs
In equal portions how can these different types of sugars cause different amounts of fat?
If that's true then calories in calories out doesnt work
Strictly speaking, calories in calories out works pretty well for weight loss but nutrition-wise, health-wise, it may be an over-simplification. The fat deposits I'm speaking of is in the liver itself -- the liver's response to deal with more sugar in the bloodstream than it can metabolize. Just because you don't have diabetes now doesn't mean you won't get it if you eat a lot of added sugars that eventually cause insulin resistance. That's what I get out of reading, anyway.
Why added sugar is not so good for you.
Good job
Good job with what?
I won't ruin it for you. I'll let u read about it.
Troll on troll
Awww, If you can't be correct, can't u at least say something funny? Like ur buddy?
this from the person that is wrong 100% of the time ....0 -
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this from the person that is wrong 100% of the time ....EatsNotTreats wrote: »
Awww, If you can't be correct, can't u at least say something funny? Like ur buddy?
Copy and Paste. Science at its finest.
Are you two done with your pissing match yet so we can get back to discussing the subject?
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EatsNotTreats wrote: »
this from the person that is wrong 100% of the time ....EatsNotTreats wrote: »
Awww, If you can't be correct, can't u at least say something funny? Like ur buddy?
Copy and Paste. Science at its finest.
Are you two done with your pissing match yet so we can get back to discussing the subject?
you TWO??? This was a 1 on 3!!!!! How dare you belittle a standoff of such epic proportions. When they talk about making this into a movie you'll be sorry you did this.
Why are they remaking Heaven's Gate?
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Marianna, my daughter gets similar symptoms as yours and when she switched to eating like a diabetic/hypoglycemic, her shakiness went away. Her blood tests came back normal though. So who knows? You might be borderline, sensitive to sugar. You are just now discovering that sugar is anywhere. Natural sugars in fruit absorb slower because they are wrapped up in a fiber sandwich.
Here's a trick. Increase your protein intake and include a little protein with every snack, even if it is a few nuts. That will even out the sugar spikes and lower your sugar intake in proportion. Yes, skim milk has more sugar in proportion to whole milk, because the fat calories are removed. If you want milk with less sugar and less fat, try 0% greek yogurt, because it has more protein in proportion.
My hypoglycemic buddy kept a huge jar of hiker's mix with nuts, raisins and smarties on his desk. If I ran short of an afternoon snack, I visited him.0 -
Oh, another new habit my daughter started is doing a round of stairs right after lunch. That eliminated the sleepiness she used to get right after.0
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EatsNotTreats wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »EatsNotTreats wrote: »
this from the person that is wrong 100% of the time ....EatsNotTreats wrote: »
Awww, If you can't be correct, can't u at least say something funny? Like ur buddy?
Copy and Paste. Science at its finest.
Are you two done with your pissing match yet so we can get back to discussing the subject?
you TWO??? This was a 1 on 3!!!!! How dare you belittle a standoff of such epic proportions. When they talk about making this into a movie you'll be sorry you did this.
Why are they remaking Heaven's Gate?
Bc it's the aliens that know the real answers. Obviously.
No, not those nuts, the movie.0 -
MFP is just crazy restrictive on sugars for some reason. I just ignore it.0
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Marianna, my daughter gets similar symptoms as yours and when she switched to eating like a diabetic/hypoglycemic, her shakiness went away. Her blood tests came back normal though. So who knows? You might be borderline, sensitive to sugar. You are just now discovering that sugar is anywhere. Natural sugars in fruit absorb slower because they are wrapped up in a fiber sandwich.
Here's a trick. Increase your protein intake and include a little protein with every snack, even if it is a few nuts. That will even out the sugar spikes and lower your sugar intake in proportion. Yes, skim milk has more sugar in proportion to whole milk, because the fat calories are removed. If you want milk with less sugar and less fat, try 0% greek yogurt, because it has more protein in proportion.
My hypoglycemic buddy kept a huge jar of hiker's mix with nuts, raisins and smarties on his desk. If I ran short of an afternoon snack, I visited him.
Thank you!
Well, today I bought half and half creamer and stevia
Today was interesting. After lunch by that time i also had snacks. I'm not sure if you can see my diary, I think it's public), my sugar intake was in total of what should have been for the whole day. I'm still amazed how much sugar was in everything, it didn't seem like it. I started feeling slight shakes and slight clammy skin, not what I usually have, but a lighter version. I drank a cup of Clamato juice (I love it), and it had 10 grams of sugar in it (never knew). 10 minutes after that I was knocked out, took a 3 hour nap, just woke up.
I have no idea what's going on.
btw: I'm trying to increase my protein intake, I didn't know I ate so little protein.0 -
MFP is just crazy restrictive on sugars for some reason. I just ignore it.
I'm starting to agree with that. I don't even eat things like sugary cereal, pop tarts, or actual sweets and I'm still way over the limit. What will happen tomorrow, on Thanksgiving day when I will have cranberry sauce with my turkey, and a slice of pumpkin pie along with all the vegetables, soup and a little mashed potato? Will my phone blow up because the app will be mad?
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It's not - sugar from fruits with fiber is absorbed slowly into the bloodstream (because of the fiber) which causes a slow rise in insulin to turn the sugar into energy for the body. The problem comes when you eat excess amounts of added/processed sugars that are absorbed into the bloodstream causing a rapid spike in insulin. These large surges of insulin eventually cause you to be tired and hungry. Over time, they can cause fat deposits and diseases like Diabetes Type II and heart disease.
I try to keep my added/processed sugars under 25 - 30 grams a day. I don't worry about sugar from fruit.
Some links that explain it better than I can:
Glycemic Index Table for Fruit & Vegetables
Glycemic Index FAQs
Why [added corn syrup] Fructose is Bad For You
Agreed, its processed sugar, the worst poison you can put in your body0 -
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Agreed, its processed sugar, the worst poison you can put in your body
For the last time. Sugar is not poison. Processed sugar is no worse for you than sugar that occurs naturally in food, because it IS sugar that occurs naturally in food. it has just been removed from the beets or cane or corn that contains it. In some cases it can be worse. Agave nectar has more fructose by weight than HFCS but is touted as a healthy alternative.
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It's not - sugar from fruits with fiber is absorbed slowly into the bloodstream (because of the fiber) which causes a slow rise in insulin to turn the sugar into energy for the body. The problem comes when you eat excess amounts of added/processed sugars that are absorbed into the bloodstream causing a rapid spike in insulin. These large surges of insulin eventually cause you to be tired and hungry. Over time, they can cause fat deposits and diseases like Diabetes Type II and heart disease.
I try to keep my added/processed sugars under 25 - 30 grams a day. I don't worry about sugar from fruit.
Some links that explain it better than I can:
Glycemic Index Table for Fruit & Vegetables
Glycemic Index FAQs
Why [added corn syrup] Fructose is Bad For You
Agreed, its processed sugar, the worst poison you can put in your body
Ah, MFP, where processed sugar is a worse poison than anthrax, cyanide, and hemlock.0 -
Marianna93637 wrote: »I don't get it. I don't eat sweets, not now and not before because I just don't crave it.
My only sugar intake comes from fresh fruit (banana, strawberry, etc), and the creamer from my coffee (I don't use sugar).
Today I've eaten 1 banana, coffee with creamer, egg whites with a little butternut squash and onion, tuna salad, steamed red cabbage and water. I'm already over my allowed sugar intake and it's only 3:30 !!!!
This doesn't make sense. Granted most of it came from my creamer, but I can't do sugar free, it tastes nasty. But a large portion came from the banana - why is that a negative?
I know what you mean. I am now off of fruit for the same reason you found. When I get more time I will work on getting part of an apple added back in. Banana is the no no food I read for these watching sugar/carbs intake. It is not negative per say but one good reason to count calories. The carbs are the sneaky critters.
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I bought Stevia. And half and half creamer. Since then I drink much less coffee, which is probably a good thing anyways. Now my coffee is about 80-120 calories instead of 250-300. I'm not loving the taste, but it's a small sacrifice to shave off calories and sugar.
Stevia also came in handy during the Thanksgiving cooking, so I'm glad you guys suggested that. I always knew about Stevia, used that, as well as Truvia but since I never thought about my sugar intake (and never realized how much sugar is in everything already) I never even thought about using it.
I can't say no to fruits though 0 -
Agreed, its processed sugar, the worst poison you can put in your body
For the last time. Sugar is not poison. Processed sugar is no worse for you than sugar that occurs naturally in food, because it IS sugar that occurs naturally in food. it has just been removed from the beets or cane or corn that contains it. In some cases it can be worse. Agave nectar has more fructose by weight than HFCS but is touted as a healthy alternative.
I strongly disagree!
That was NOT the last time!
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Marianna, making small changes and observing the results is the way to go. You will be sure to get positive results from that.0
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Marianna93637 wrote: »I bought Stevia. And half and half creamer. Since then I drink much less coffee, which is probably a good thing anyways. Now my coffee is about 80-120 calories instead of 250-300. I'm not loving the taste, but it's a small sacrifice to shave off calories and sugar.
Stevia also came in handy during the Thanksgiving cooking, so I'm glad you guys suggested that. I always knew about Stevia, used that, as well as Truvia but since I never thought about my sugar intake (and never realized how much sugar is in everything already) I never even thought about using it.
I can't say no to fruits though
Coffee was one of my big calorie sources as well. I cut down from 450 to 150 or less and that really helped.0 -
Be careful with stevia if you really think you might be hypoglycemic. Stevia is highly recommended for diabetics because it not only doesnt spike their blood sugar, it can actually lower it in some people. If you are low to start with, stevia can really tank your blood sugar and cause you to have a hypoglycemic episode even if you never had one before.
If you do use stevia, always put it in something that has other carbs to counteract the effect somewhat, and pay strict attention to how you feel within the first few hours after consuming it. Be especially careful using it in your coffee, if it has no other carbs. If you get lightheaded, dizzy, see stars, etc in the hour or two after, dont use it there again!
**This is all in my experience, take it for what it is... just a caution, not science.0 -
Be careful with stevia if you really think you might be hypoglycemic. Stevia is highly recommended for diabetics because it not only doesnt spike their blood sugar, it can actually lower it in some people. If you are low to start with, stevia can really tank your blood sugar and cause you to have a hypoglycemic episode even if you never had one before.
If you do use stevia, always put it in something that has other carbs to counteract the effect somewhat, and pay strict attention to how you feel within the first few hours after consuming it. Be especially careful using it in your coffee, if it has no other carbs. If you get lightheaded, dizzy, see stars, etc in the hour or two after, dont use it there again!
**This is all in my experience, take it for what it is... just a caution, not science.
Thank you! I'll definitely keep an eye out. I'm a teacher, so we have off until Monday (we had 9 days total, yeay) so I my schedule is different: have not much to do. So far I haven't noticed anything negative.
Usually I take one big huge cup of coffee to school (2 double espressos) with creamer and milk, which I'm sure was at least 350 calories. But I drank it up to lunchtime, and sometimes even after that. I always felt that it actually kept my blood sugar at a constant and never crashed. The negative was that I wasn't hungry, so I didn't have breakfast or a snack (it was hard to sneak food in during the school day, but found a way in the past 2 weeks) and lunch wasn't until 12:30.
Now I will try this 'new coffee' at school as well, but I am taking snacks with me for just in case, and anyways I am trying to eat breakfast, snack, lunch, snack and dinner from now on.0 -
OP unless you have some underlying medical condition that would make you sensitive to sugar then I would not be worried about it….
sugar is not the devil….
Lol - The greatest trick sugar ever pulled was convincing the world it doesn't exist. And like that… is't gone.
I'm not sure anyone is claiming that sugar is the Devil - although in pretty much every post you seem to think its the title of the thread!
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