True Trek Fans Rant Here! *movie spoilers likely*
UsedToBeHusky
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Okay... saw Star Trek Into Darkness yesterday. Great movie! But my inner Trekkie is furious. Am I the only one?
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Right there with you. But then again, I still haven't gotten over the atrocity that was X-Men First Class. How in the world are you gonna put Xavier in a wheelchair, yet in part 3 when he and Eric go to visit young Jean, they make a point of showing him stepping out of the car? Of course there are other parts too, but that one is so blatant. Ugh.0
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Saw Fast 6 yesterday too. At least they are rounding out that story.
But seriously, what is Abrams doing to my beloved Star Trek?????0 -
Well... either no one has seen it yet, no one else was mad, or no one cares.0
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I like Star Trek as much as the next guy, but, let's face it: the first six Trek movies are nothing to write home about.
In fact, the series itself is pretty campy. I can't believe anyone took ToS seriously, it looks like hilarious camp compared to old school sci-fi like Forbidden Planet. TNG is a little better, but most of the episodes are pretty boring.
That said, Star Trek is a good show and I enjoy it for what it is. I also thought Abrams did a great job on his Trek reboots; the 2009 film was really good and Into Darkness wasn't bad either.0 -
I haven't seen it yet but I'm scared
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pretty disappointing. even laughable at parts. like when Kirk "dies". everyone who had seen Wrath of Khan knew he wasnt dead. and everyone else had just seen Bones talking about the wonders of Khans blood.
now im scared what Abrams is going to do to Star Wars.0 -
I like Star Trek as much as the next guy, but, let's face it: the first six Trek movies are nothing to write home about.
In fact, the series itself is pretty campy. I can't believe anyone took ToS seriously, it looks like hilarious camp compared to old school sci-fi like Forbidden Planet. TNG is a little better, but most of the episodes are pretty boring.
That said, Star Trek is a good show and I enjoy it for what it is. I also thought Abrams did a great job on his Trek reboots; the 2009 film was really good and Into Darkness wasn't bad either.
Get out. Get out right now.0 -
pretty disappointing. even laughable at parts. like when Kirk "dies". everyone who had seen Wrath of Khan knew he wasnt dead. and everyone else had just seen Bones talking about the wonders of Khans blood.
now im scared what Abrams is going to do to Star Wars.
I'm scared of what will happen to Star Wars too, can only hope...0 -
pretty disappointing. even laughable at parts. like when Kirk "dies". everyone who had seen Wrath of Khan knew he wasnt dead. and everyone else had just seen Bones talking about the wonders of Khans blood.
now im scared what Abrams is going to do to Star Wars.
Didn't know he was set to do Star Wars. The Kirk death scene was what infuriated me the most. I mean forget the fact that he re-wrote the entire Khan story in the first place. He stole all the power of that scene by having Kirk and Spock trade places. I mean for crying out loud, that was the pivotal moment in the original series when Spock shows emotion. Having Kirk say to Spock "I'm scared" stole all the power from that scene.
I still say that Abrams is just giving us fan-fiction. The movies are great, but I would rather he didn't take so many creative liberties from the original story line. I mean, he had to know he would piss fans off with that!0 -
I like Star Trek as much as the next guy, but, let's face it: the first six Trek movies are nothing to write home about.
In fact, the series itself is pretty campy. I can't believe anyone took ToS seriously, it looks like hilarious camp compared to old school sci-fi like Forbidden Planet. TNG is a little better, but most of the episodes are pretty boring.
That said, Star Trek is a good show and I enjoy it for what it is. I also thought Abrams did a great job on his Trek reboots; the 2009 film was really good and Into Darkness wasn't bad either.
I thought I said true Trek fans! Abrams took the Khan story from the series and the movies and compressed it all down to one little flick. And ruined it!
It's a great action movie! But if you prefer it to the Roddenberry version, then you are in the wrong place, my friend!0 -
It's a reboot. Why on earth would they stick to the original storyline? They've already established it's a different timeline, so I expect differences. If it was going to all be the same, why bother?
I didn't like that the Klingons had helmets. I didn't think that was in line with the Klingon culture. But whatever. I liked the movie overall.0 -
It's a reboot. Why on earth would they stick to the original storyline? They've already established it's a different timeline, so I expect differences. If it was going to all be the same, why bother?
I didn't like that the Klingons had helmets. I didn't think that was in line with the Klingon culture. But whatever. I liked the movie overall.
My only real gripe is with that scene. That scene was not nearly as powerful as it was in the original story. What made Roddenberry great, aside from innovative thinking, was the drama of the relationships he built inside the Star Trek universe. Now I'm not saying that he isn't doing a great job with that, but that was an important scene and he watered down the impact of it with how he did it.0 -
I didn't like that the Klingons had helmets. I didn't think that was in line with the Klingon culture. But whatever. I liked the movie overall.
I know i was so excited to see what he would do with the Klingons and we only got to see ONE. The helmet thing frustrated me too.0 -
I didn't like that the Klingons had helmets. I didn't think that was in line with the Klingon culture. But whatever. I liked the movie overall.
I know i was so excited to see what he would do with the Klingons and we only got to see ONE. The helmet thing frustrated me too.
Yeah, I halfway expected them to dress Uhura up as a Klingon for a disguise. It's not like they have never done something like that before.0 -
I am a huge Trek fan, and this movie was great.
People constantly lament when something isn't the same as the original. It's silly. This is new, fresh, good, and captures the spirit of what Star Trek has always been. It's clever, campy, and tons of fun.
I loved the Klingon helmets. Made them look a little mysterious and foreboding.0 -
Saw Fast 6 yesterday too. At least they are rounding out that story.
But seriously, what is Abrams doing to my beloved Star Trek?????
haha I think what Abrams is doing can be summed up in 2 words...lens flare
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I loved it! I could have done without Leonard Nimoy scene.0
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***SPOILERS for both first and second films***
Didn't know he was set to do Star Wars. The Kirk death scene was what infuriated me the most. I mean forget the fact that he re-wrote the entire Khan story in the first place. He stole all the power of that scene by having Kirk and Spock trade places. I mean for crying out loud, that was the pivotal moment in the original series when Spock shows emotion. Having Kirk say to Spock "I'm scared" stole all the power from that scene.
I still say that Abrams is just giving us fan-fiction. The movies are great, but I would rather he didn't take so many creative liberties from the original story line. I mean, he had to know he would piss fans off with that!
But the point is that this is an alternate universe. Up until the point that the Romulan mining ship came through the black hole, everything was the same. In fact, the initial impact from the destruction of the the Kelvin was relatively isolated as they then seemingly remained silent until (old) Spock's arrival and the destruction of Vulcan. It's only at that point that the timelines start to really diverge on a universal level.
So it's reasonable that the new Kirk, Spock et al are going to face substantially similar threats to the original crew. But the dynamic between Kirk and Spock has been forever changed by the different nature of Kirk's childhood and entry into the academy, the destruction of Vulcan, etc... and that has colored the rest of their lives. So the alternate versions will find alternate solutions. I'll agree it was perhaps a little cheesy to just have Spock and Kirk switch places, but I saw it as a hat tip to STII.
As more time passes, the timelines will diverge further, and they will face their own unique challenges, instead of borrowing from the original movies.0 -
Didn't know he was set to do Star Wars. The Kirk death scene was what infuriated me the most. I mean forget the fact that he re-wrote the entire Khan story in the first place. He stole all the power of that scene by having Kirk and Spock trade places. I mean for crying out loud, that was the pivotal moment in the original series when Spock shows emotion. Having Kirk say to Spock "I'm scared" stole all the power from that scene.
I still say that Abrams is just giving us fan-fiction. The movies are great, but I would rather he didn't take so many creative liberties from the original story line. I mean, he had to know he would piss fans off with that!
I think you had better get used to it. I believe that is what this new series is about. Same stories but twisted around to match the new plot. Don't complain just enjoy. They are making new Star Trek movies. WooHoo!0 -
The Kirk death scene was what infuriated me the most. I mean forget the fact that he re-wrote the entire Khan story in the first place. He stole all the power of that scene by having Kirk and Spock trade places. I mean for crying out loud, that was the pivotal moment in the original series when Spock shows emotion. Having Kirk say to Spock "I'm scared" stole all the power from that scene.
TOTALLY agree with this 100%.
When Khan was introduced I was like... WTF? Seriously?? Ugh... why can't these people just keep within the story line and not eff things up like this. I mean, with as loyal of a following Star Trek has did they not think this type of re-write woudln't pi$$ off the masses? Good job, guys... really....
... I will say I did enjoy the movie, and am glad they made it... just wish they could have done a little better with the story line.0 -
I have not seen the second in the reboot series but enjoyed the first one. As for the reboot and time travel stuff, I feel the series as a whole used it too much (in all of the series ToS, TNG, DS9, Voy and Enterprise) I was shocked it took them this long to use time travel as a reboot tool. They all mostly likely fracked up the time line in some way already.
My worry is that these movies give enough of a boost to start a new TV show and it is made more BSG than Trek. (don't get wanky BGS is a great show)0 -
The Kirk death scene was what infuriated me the most. I mean forget the fact that he re-wrote the entire Khan story in the first place. He stole all the power of that scene by having Kirk and Spock trade places. I mean for crying out loud, that was the pivotal moment in the original series when Spock shows emotion. Having Kirk say to Spock "I'm scared" stole all the power from that scene.
TOTALLY agree with this 100%.
When Khan was introduced I was like... WTF? Seriously?? Ugh... why can't these people just keep within the story line and not eff things up like this. I mean, with as loyal of a following Star Trek has did they not think this type of re-write woudln't pi$$ off the masses? Good job, guys... really....
... I will say I did enjoy the movie, and am glad they made it... just wish they could have done a little better with the story line.
It didn't pi$$ off the masses, as the movie is getting overwhelmingly positive feedback. It's got an 8.3 on IMDB and 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. Even my most geeky friends loved it. The negative feedback is sporadic and seems to be limited to people that were huge fans of TOS and are upset that this is different. Well, hate to break it to you, but TOS was decades ago and this is a different, but similar, Star Trek universe. So the storylines and dynamics will have similarities but also diverge significantly due to events like the destruction of Vulcan and 40 years of evolution in the art of making movies.0 -
As more time passes, the timelines will diverge further, and they will face their own unique challenges, instead of borrowing from the original movies.
This was what I was looking for. New storylines. Not rehashed, butchered old ones!0 -
The Kirk death scene was what infuriated me the most. I mean forget the fact that he re-wrote the entire Khan story in the first place. He stole all the power of that scene by having Kirk and Spock trade places. I mean for crying out loud, that was the pivotal moment in the original series when Spock shows emotion. Having Kirk say to Spock "I'm scared" stole all the power from that scene.
TOTALLY agree with this 100%.
When Khan was introduced I was like... WTF? Seriously?? Ugh... why can't these people just keep within the story line and not eff things up like this. I mean, with as loyal of a following Star Trek has did they not think this type of re-write woudln't pi$$ off the masses? Good job, guys... really....
... I will say I did enjoy the movie, and am glad they made it... just wish they could have done a little better with the story line.
It didn't pi$$ off the masses, as the movie is getting overwhelmingly positive feedback. It's got an 8.3 on IMDB and 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. Even my most geeky friends loved it. The negative feedback is sporadic and seems to be limited to people that were huge fans of TOS and are upset that this is different. Well, hate to break it to you, but TOS was decades ago and this is a different, but similar, Star Trek universe. So the storylines and dynamics will have similarities but also diverge significantly due to events like the destruction of Vulcan and 40 years of evolution in the art of making movies.
The only pang my star trek heart suffered was them messing with the prime directive...*waggles finger* Bad Kirk ...... HOwever its an alternate timeline which means JJ can pretty much do whatever he wants........
As for new story lines.They obviously cant do ST3 since spock didn't die so new story line coming through0 -
The Kirk death scene was what infuriated me the most. I mean forget the fact that he re-wrote the entire Khan story in the first place. He stole all the power of that scene by having Kirk and Spock trade places. I mean for crying out loud, that was the pivotal moment in the original series when Spock shows emotion. Having Kirk say to Spock "I'm scared" stole all the power from that scene.
TOTALLY agree with this 100%.
When Khan was introduced I was like... WTF? Seriously?? Ugh... why can't these people just keep within the story line and not eff things up like this. I mean, with as loyal of a following Star Trek has did they not think this type of re-write woudln't pi$$ off the masses? Good job, guys... really....
... I will say I did enjoy the movie, and am glad they made it... just wish they could have done a little better with the story line.
It didn't pi$$ off the masses, as the movie is getting overwhelmingly positive feedback. It's got an 8.3 on IMDB and 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. Even my most geeky friends loved it. The negative feedback is sporadic and seems to be limited to people that were huge fans of TOS and are upset that this is different. Well, hate to break it to you, but TOS was decades ago and this is a different, but similar, Star Trek universe. So the storylines and dynamics will have similarities but also diverge significantly due to events like the destruction of Vulcan and 40 years of evolution in the art of making movies.
The only pang my star trek heart suffered was them messing with the prime directive...*waggles finger* Bad Kirk ...... HOwever its an alternate timeline which means JJ can pretty much do whatever he wants........
As for new story lines.They obviously cant do ST3 since spock didn't die so new story line coming through
Yeah, that kind of bugged me too. Spock was all up in arms because Kirk let the people see the ship violating the prime directive, but just the fact that they would neutralize a volcano to save the planet was in violation of the prime directive. Why did Spock even agree to climb into that stupid volcano???0 -
I saw it and enjoyed it. Was it the best Trek movie ever? No. But was it better than most of them (including original cast and TNG)? Yes. Though between both the reboots, I liked the first one better but origin stories always have an edge over anything that follows.
My main gripe with it is that many of the plot elements felt too convenient but they weren't overriding to my enjoyment.
The humor and action were good, the villain was interesting (for several reasons) and the acting was good all round (though some of Kirk's anger scenes felt sorta forced sometimes).
I give it a 7.5 out of 10.0 -
My main gripe with it is that many of the plot elements felt too convenient but they weren't overriding to my enjoyment.
How do you mean?0 -
I HATED it! I have so many issues with the reboot! I wrote a full rant earlier, and might do it again.
It was a remake of 2 and 6 and when Spock yelled, "Kaaaaaahn!" I threw up in my mouth a little bit. I was hoping Kirk would stay dead so they'd stop making ****ty remakes.0 -
Also, "Alternate dimension" is the science fiction version of "it was all a dream." It makes me crazy. There are so many things that could have been done, redoing TOS was unnecessary and annoying.The Kirk death scene was what infuriated me the most. I mean forget the fact that he re-wrote the entire Khan story in the first place. He stole all the power of that scene by having Kirk and Spock trade places. I mean for crying out loud, that was the pivotal moment in the original series when Spock shows emotion. Having Kirk say to Spock "I'm scared" stole all the power from that scene.
I hated that this scene was WORD FOR WORD the same as in the second movie, but the lines were spewed in all directions. Scotty said Bones' lines and Bones was written out. In fact, Bones was written out of the whole movie! In ToS, Spock, Kirk and Bones balance the logos, pathos and ethos. They all need to be there. There was so little Bones (ethos) that Spock and Kirk were REALLY getting on my nerves.0 -
Okay... saw Star Trek Into Darkness yesterday. Great movie! But my inner Trekkie is furious. Am I the only one?
i haven't seen it yet, but i'm pretty sure that 99% of the blame falls on the shoulders of that hack screenwriter, Lindelof. he was the showrunner behind that eventual deceitful atrocity called Lost and also wrote the awful, illogical, horrible Alien prequel Prometheus. don't trust any movie made from a script this guy got his hands on. he's awful. truly awful. and he has contempt for his audience because he thinks we're too dumb to notice how illogical and ridiculous his scripts are.
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