True Trek Fans Rant Here! *movie spoilers likely*
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I was talking to JJ Abrams last night. He said he did everything that way on purpose. Just to piss you all off.0
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I was talking to JJ Abrams last night. He said he did everything that way on purpose. Just to piss you all off.
Abrams openly admitted that he doesn't even like Star Trek.0 -
My main gripe with it is that many of the plot elements felt too convenient but they weren't overriding to my enjoyment.
How do you mean?
The blood and tribbles was the biggest. It was like a beacon saying, "I'm going to be used in this exact same way later but for a really important purpose." Who just injects random dead objects with bad guy blood? Who keeps dead tribbles in a medical bay, in fact, why were there tribbles on the ship at all.
Despite that, I still smiled when I saw the tribble just because as a kid, that was BY FAR my favorite episode.
Others were Kirk talking to Scottie and Scottie seemingly easily getting into a super secret base and get on the super secret ship (Starfleet has **** security it seems). The admiral's daughter's reasons for getting on the Enterprise and how Spock said nothing to anyone but her about it despite how they'd been making a point about how he doesn't break rules (this being a big one in my opinion). Also, the new ship being able to catch them in mid warp (this is just a personal thing since I know Kahn was a super genius and all but it felt like too much).
I'm sure I have more but those are the few off the top of my head. I sound like I'm being really nit picky (and I am) but these are just things I mildly rolled my eyes about before I let myself continue to enjoy the movie.0 -
I was talking to JJ Abrams last night. He said he did everything that way on purpose. Just to piss you all off.
Abrams openly admitted that he doesn't even like Star Trek.
Abrams admitted that he didn't like Star Trek as a child and went on to explain that he felt he wasn't smart enough at the time to understand that it was a metaphor of our own society.0 -
i haven't seen it yet
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When Khan was introduced I was like... WTF? Seriously?? ... I will say I did enjoy the movie, and am glad they made it... just wish they could have done a little better with the story line.
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The only pang my star trek heart suffered was them messing with the prime directive...*waggles finger* Bad Kirk ...... HOwever its an alternate timeline which means JJ can pretty much do whatever he wants........
Yeah, that kind of bugged me too. Spock was all up in arms because Kirk let the people see the ship violating the prime directive, but just the fact that they would neutralize a volcano to save the planet was in violation of the prime directive. Why did Spock even agree to climb into that stupid volcano???
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Agree with all of this and it kind of messed it up for me too.
However, I love watching movies in 3D!0 -
I enjoyed it. Enjoyed the 2009 one, too. I think the "alternate timeline" is the perfect way to reboot without attempting to not slaughter the canon. While the story had a few issues, the characters were great, and, most importantly, it was a fun movie. The Kirk death scene wasn't there to trick any viewers (though I'm sure the viewers who have never see WoK might have fallen for it); it was there to show how Kirk and Spock's relationship had developed in this alternate timeline.0
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I like Star Trek as much as the next guy, but, let's face it: the first six Trek movies are nothing to write home about.
In fact, the series itself is pretty campy. I can't believe anyone took ToS seriously, it looks like hilarious camp compared to old school sci-fi like Forbidden Planet. TNG is a little better, but most of the episodes are pretty boring.
That said, Star Trek is a good show and I enjoy it for what it is. I also thought Abrams did a great job on his Trek reboots; the 2009 film was really good and Into Darkness wasn't bad either.
Get out. Get out right now.
You're just mad because you know I'm right...0 -
I like Star Trek as much as the next guy, but, let's face it: the first six Trek movies are nothing to write home about.
In fact, the series itself is pretty campy. I can't believe anyone took ToS seriously, it looks like hilarious camp compared to old school sci-fi like Forbidden Planet. TNG is a little better, but most of the episodes are pretty boring.
That said, Star Trek is a good show and I enjoy it for what it is. I also thought Abrams did a great job on his Trek reboots; the 2009 film was really good and Into Darkness wasn't bad either.
I thought I said true Trek fans! Abrams took the Khan story from the series and the movies and compressed it all down to one little flick. And ruined it!
It's a great action movie! But if you prefer it to the Roddenberry version, then you are in the wrong place, my friend!
Ha ha, okay...if you want to get into a semantic argument over what a "true" Trek fan is then I'll just point you to this vid:
http://www.theonion.com/video/trekkies-bash-new-star-trek-film-as-fun-watchable,14333/
That said, I do like Star Trek; however, I'm just enough of a realist to not hype it to astronomical levels. I also welcome another's (i.e. Abrams) take on the source material.0 -
Long time fan.
You just have to let go and not take all this stuff too seriously. I thought the whole alternate timeline Khan story was pretty well done.
All the plot points in the movie were pretty predictable. In fact, I turned to my kid in the movie and told him what was about to happen several times in the movie. That doesn't mean we didn't have fun with it. We looked at each other and it was all we could both do not to yell "KHAN!!!!!!!!!!" when we saw that Spock was going to do that.
It ain't deep, but I don't care. We enjoyed it.
My only question is how the buckaroo bonzai got to be a star fleet admiral.0 -
I like that the reboot is so changed. I've already seen the originals why would I want to watch the same stories just with new faces?0
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we wont get many chances at a new Trek film over the next decade or two why waste them on rehashing a story we already know?I like that the reboot is so changed. I've already seen the originals why would I want to watch the same stories just with new faces?
so in an upcoming movie do we get to see the Probe again and have to go save teh whales again? i sure hope not no matter how they try to spin it.
lets get something completely original next time please.0 -
My main gripe with it is that many of the plot elements felt too convenient but they weren't overriding to my enjoyment.
How do you mean?
The blood and tribbles was the biggest. It was like a beacon saying, "I'm going to be used in this exact same way later but for a really important purpose." Who just injects random dead objects with bad guy blood? Who keeps dead tribbles in a medical bay, in fact, why were there tribbles on the ship at all.
Despite that, I still smiled when I saw the tribble just because as a kid, that was BY FAR my favorite episode.
Others were Kirk talking to Scottie and Scottie seemingly easily getting into a super secret base and get on the super secret ship (Starfleet has **** security it seems). The admiral's daughter's reasons for getting on the Enterprise and how Spock said nothing to anyone but her about it despite how they'd been making a point about how he doesn't break rules (this being a big one in my opinion). Also, the new ship being able to catch them in mid warp (this is just a personal thing since I know Kahn was a super genius and all but it felt like too much).
I'm sure I have more but those are the few off the top of my head. I sound like I'm being really nit picky (and I am) but these are just things I mildly rolled my eyes about before I let myself continue to enjoy the movie.
Yeah, I was too busy raving over the fact that he re-write the Khan story to pay much attention to it. Though I will admit that the daughter's purpose on the Enterprise confused me. That wasn't well explained and then later I realized why Abrams put her there but they really didn't clear up her motivation for being there.0 -
we wont get many chances at a new Trek film over the next decade or two why waste them on rehashing a story we already know?I like that the reboot is so changed. I've already seen the originals why would I want to watch the same stories just with new faces?
so in an upcoming movie do we get to see the Probe again and have to go save teh whales again? i sure hope not no matter how they try to spin it.
lets get something completely original next time please.
Yes. This. I'm kind of worried that it will go that way because Abrams won't dedicate enough focus to it now that he has the Star Wars project.0 -
My main gripe with it is that many of the plot elements felt too convenient but they weren't overriding to my enjoyment.
How do you mean?
The blood and tribbles was the biggest. It was like a beacon saying, "I'm going to be used in this exact same way later but for a really important purpose." Who just injects random dead objects with bad guy blood? Who keeps dead tribbles in a medical bay, in fact, why were there tribbles on the ship at all.
Despite that, I still smiled when I saw the tribble just because as a kid, that was BY FAR my favorite episode.
Others were Kirk talking to Scottie and Scottie seemingly easily getting into a super secret base and get on the super secret ship (Starfleet has **** security it seems). The admiral's daughter's reasons for getting on the Enterprise and how Spock said nothing to anyone but her about it despite how they'd been making a point about how he doesn't break rules (this being a big one in my opinion). Also, the new ship being able to catch them in mid warp (this is just a personal thing since I know Kahn was a super genius and all but it felt like too much).
I'm sure I have more but those are the few off the top of my head. I sound like I'm being really nit picky (and I am) but these are just things I mildly rolled my eyes about before I let myself continue to enjoy the movie.
Yeah, I was too busy raving over the fact that he re-write the Khan story to pay much attention to it. Though I will admit that the daughter's purpose on the Enterprise confused me. That wasn't well explained and then later I realized why Abrams put her there but they really didn't clear up her motivation for being there.
The daughter is there to be the babe love interest for Kirk in future episodes.
Anyone else think there was a resemblance to Sally Kellerman from season 1, episode 1?
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I've been a big Trek fan all my life.
Into Darkness was nothing more than an attempt at remaking Wrath of Khan so that it fit into the new universe. When you look at it that way, personally I think it's a great movie.
The fact is, with how long Star Trek was going on for, there was no way to keep it going and attracting newer fans without creating plot holes in the existing continuity. A reboot was necessary. The first two movies were great when you look at them for what they are: Starting out fresh.0 -
The Kirk death scene was what infuriated me the most. I mean forget the fact that he re-wrote the entire Khan story in the first place. He stole all the power of that scene by having Kirk and Spock trade places. I mean for crying out loud, that was the pivotal moment in the original series when Spock shows emotion. Having Kirk say to Spock "I'm scared" stole all the power from that scene.
TOTALLY agree with this 100%.
When Khan was introduced I was like... WTF? Seriously?? Ugh... why can't these people just keep within the story line and not eff things up like this. I mean, with as loyal of a following Star Trek has did they not think this type of re-write woudln't pi$$ off the masses? Good job, guys... really....
... I will say I did enjoy the movie, and am glad they made it... just wish they could have done a little better with the story line.
It didn't pi$$ off the masses, as the movie is getting overwhelmingly positive feedback. It's got an 8.3 on IMDB and 87% on Rotten Tomatoes. Even my most geeky friends loved it. The negative feedback is sporadic and seems to be limited to people that were huge fans of TOS and are upset that this is different. Well, hate to break it to you, but TOS was decades ago and this is a different, but similar, Star Trek universe. So the storylines and dynamics will have similarities but also diverge significantly due to events like the destruction of Vulcan and 40 years of evolution in the art of making movies.
Agreed - to a point... they better NOT mess with "City on the edge of forever"!! Some things need to be left alone!0 -
I've been a big Trek fan all my life.
Into Darkness was nothing more than an attempt at remaking Wrath of Khan so that it fit into the new universe. When you look at it that way, personally I think it's a great movie.
The fact is, with how long Star Trek was going on for, there was no way to keep it going and attracting newer fans without creating plot holes in the existing continuity. A reboot was necessary. The first two movies were great when you look at them for what they are: Starting out fresh.
Starting out fresh would have meant new story lines. Not rewriting the old ones. I like the reboot. But don't shred the old stories to pieces just because you can.0 -
Starting out fresh would have meant new story lines. Not rewriting the old ones. I like the reboot. But don't shred the old stories to pieces just because you can.
Certain villains are just integral parts of the lore as the original crew. Not pitting the alternate Trek crew against an alternate Khan would be as big an oversight as leaving out the Klingons.
Besides, the films are made for a new market. Remember the target market for this type of film is the male 18-30 demographic. Much of this demographic will not have seen, nor care to see, the original Trek movies.
I think they did a good job of recreating a classic villain for a new generation, while providing ample hat-tips and 'insider' references for fans of the original. The problem is when the references are taken by die-hard fans as being failed attempts to recreate the original.0 -
Starting out fresh would have meant new story lines. Not rewriting the old ones. I like the reboot. But don't shred the old stories to pieces just because you can.
Certain villains are just integral parts of the lore as the original crew. Not pitting the alternate Trek crew against an alternate Khan would be as big an oversight as leaving out the Klingons.
Besides, the films are made for a new market. Remember the target market for this type of film is the male 18-30 demographic. Much of this demographic will not have seen, nor care to see, the original Trek movies.
I think they did a good job of recreating a classic villain for a new generation, while providing ample hat-tips and 'insider' references for fans of the original. The problem is when the references are taken by die-hard fans as being failed attempts to recreate the original.
I see your point. I just think it could have been done better. As others pointed out, plot holes and ****!
For example (and I could be wrong) but I don't think Star Fleet was even aware of Tribbles when the crew met Khan. I'm pretty sure the destruction of Vulcan would not have changed that. Abrams is making the Tribbles out to be intergalactic guinea pigs.
Somebody help me out here.0 -
I see your point. I just think it could have been done better. As others pointed out, plot holes and ****!
For example (and I could be wrong) but I don't think Star Fleet was even aware of Tribbles when the crew met Khan. I'm pretty sure the destruction of Vulcan would not have changed that. Abrams is making the Tribbles out to be intergalactic guinea pigs.
Somebody help me out here.
I can't address that, I don't know the timeline of ToS that well.
But for me, I think you have to provide a little artistic license. Who really cares if tribbles are discovered earlier in this particular universe for inadequately explained reasons? I think that by forcing that level of scrutiny you miss the forest for the trees.
I took it as just an excuse for another hat-tip to the fans, and a small giggle. I did find myself absently wondering if the Enterprise was going to be overrun by the end of the movie. If you really want explanation, you could say that perhaps they have been discovered earlier, but it's obvious that they had no idea of the explosive breeding characteristic, or there's no way Bones would have allowed it on board.0 -
The Tribble complaint is incredibly petty. It was a little nod to the original show, meant to be amusing and, as Doug and I did, wonder if they were going to be reproducing like mad or something. The tribble was just retconned as a futuristic lab rat, that's all.0
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I see your point. I just think it could have been done better. As others pointed out, plot holes and ****!
For example (and I could be wrong) but I don't think Star Fleet was even aware of Tribbles when the crew met Khan. I'm pretty sure the destruction of Vulcan would not have changed that. Abrams is making the Tribbles out to be intergalactic guinea pigs.
Somebody help me out here.
I can't address that, I don't know the timeline of ToS that well.
But for me, I think you have to provide a little artistic license. Who really cares if tribbles are discovered earlier in this particular universe for inadequately explained reasons? I think that by forcing that level of scrutiny you miss the forest for the trees.
I took it as just an excuse for another hat-tip to the fans, and a small giggle. I did find myself absently wondering if the Enterprise was going to be overrun by the end of the movie. If you really want explanation, you could say that perhaps they have been discovered earlier, but it's obvious that they had no idea of the explosive breeding characteristic, or there's no way Bones would have allowed it on board.
But if the Tribbles were discovered earlier in this 'universe' then it would be an alternate dimension rather than an alternate timeline that spurned off from one event.
The Enterprise crew were the first members of the Federation to report the existence of Tribbles, but based on the whole 'intergalactic guinea pig' concept, the Federation would had to have learned of their existence before Kirk was even born. I get the whole nod to the fans thing, but it wasn't really given a lot of thought. For the most part, the whole script wasn't well thought out, and that's the injustice to Gene Roddenberry. His plots were never this weak.0 -
I hated the first movie. I don't know if I will be able to make myself watch the second. Chris Pine makes me slightly nauseous.0
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My main gripe with it is that many of the plot elements felt too convenient but they weren't overriding to my enjoyment.
How do you mean?
The blood and tribbles was the biggest. It was like a beacon saying, "I'm going to be used in this exact same way later but for a really important purpose." Who just injects random dead objects with bad guy blood? Who keeps dead tribbles in a medical bay, in fact, why were there tribbles on the ship at all.
Despite that, I still smiled when I saw the tribble just because as a kid, that was BY FAR my favorite episode.
Others were Kirk talking to Scottie and Scottie seemingly easily getting into a super secret base and get on the super secret ship (Starfleet has **** security it seems). The admiral's daughter's reasons for getting on the Enterprise and how Spock said nothing to anyone but her about it despite how they'd been making a point about how he doesn't break rules (this being a big one in my opinion). Also, the new ship being able to catch them in mid warp (this is just a personal thing since I know Kahn was a super genius and all but it felt like too much).
I'm sure I have more but those are the few off the top of my head. I sound like I'm being really nit picky (and I am) but these are just things I mildly rolled my eyes about before I let myself continue to enjoy the movie.
All off this plus the terrible editing/continuity errors irritated the crap out of me! And the constant, pointless lens flare.... FFS ABRAMS! And I loved Alias.........0 -
I found it predictable but enjoyable. I didn't like it as much as the first. I will concede I'm not a die hard Trekkie though. And I think Abrams will do just fine with the Star Wars series-- he can't do worse than the prequels and come on, his first Star Trek movie was just Star Wars.0
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For the most part, the whole script wasn't well thought out, and that's the injustice to Gene Roddenberry. His plots were never this weak.
Are you kidding me? Some of the plots of TOS and movies were incredibly weak and full of ridiculous holes. You're looking at the past with rose-colored glasses since you loved it all so much growing up.
You're being unreasonably critical of this movie. If you were this critical of TOS and movies, they'd all be horrendous.0 -
For the most part, the whole script wasn't well thought out, and that's the injustice to Gene Roddenberry. His plots were never this weak.
Are you kidding me? Some of the plots of TOS and movies were incredibly weak and full of ridiculous holes. You're looking at the past with rose-colored glasses since you loved it all so much growing up.
You're being unreasonably critical of this movie. If you were this critical of TOS and movies, they'd all be horrendous.
I liked the movie. I've stated that several times. It just made me cringe. I guess my concern is that TOS will be lost in the translation.0 -
Maybe someone has already said it, but I love how it says "TRUE trek fans"...like you can't be that if you enjoy the Abrams movies. lol
I find enjoyment in all versions of star trek! I definitely consider myself a fan.0 -
Are you kidding me? Some of the plots of TOS and movies were incredibly weak and full of ridiculous holes. You're looking at the past with rose-colored glasses since you loved it all so much growing up.
You're being unreasonably critical of this movie. If you were this critical of TOS and movies, they'd all be horrendous.
as time goes by movie goers are getting more sophisticated. plot holes that would be acceptable in the 1980's get laughed at today.
you would think JJ would take extra steps to avoid them.0
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