Cleanse/Detox
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depends on your definition of detox though!. No to all the quack quick fixes but if your diet is heavy in processed foods, too much alcohol or other damaging 'food' products, then by switching to a clearer diet you are certainly doing your body a favour and not over taxing its systems therefore it can run the normal detox functions well. (and I don't mean totally clean either but as near to it as you can and still enjoy life)0
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I have a science background and my *belief* is that results are powerful. Though I believe the mind/body connection is as well. <---luck has absolutely nothing to do with it.0
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jonnyman41 wrote: »depends on your definition of detox though!. No to all the quack quick fixes but if your diet is heavy in processed foods, too much alcohol or other damaging 'food' products, then by switching to a clearer diet you are certainly doing your body a favour and not over taxing its systems therefore it can run the normal detox functions well. (and I don't mean totally clean either but as near to it as you can and still enjoy life)
That's a good point.
We just finished Thanksgiving here in the US. So many rich foods that you don't eat everyday--and lots of it. I probably ate about 20 pounds of food in a 3-4 day span. Talk about feeling heavy! I threw a bunch of greens "into the mix", which had a "cleansing" effect. Back to pre-turkey weight, feeling normal in the belly again!
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I'll just leave this here:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance
"“Let’s be clear,” says Edzard Ernst, emeritus professor of complementary medicine at Exeter University, “there are two types of detox: one is respectable and the other isn’t.” The respectable one, he says, is the medical treatment of people with life-threatening drug addictions. “The other is the word being hijacked by entrepreneurs, quacks and charlatans to sell a bogus treatment that allegedly detoxifies your body of toxins you’re supposed to have accumulated.”"
" In 2009, a network of scientists assembled by the UK charity Sense about Science contacted the manufacturers of 15 products sold in pharmacies and supermarkets that claimed to detoxify. The products ranged from dietary supplements to smoothies and shampoos. When the scientists asked for evidence behind the claims, not one of the manufacturers could define what they meant by detoxification, let alone name the toxins."
I was going to post the recent blog by Zardoz that linked to this article. Great and informative article with links to studies to back up.
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Yes it was. Not surprising homeopathy found it's way into a detox thread, actually expected it.herrspoons wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »
Just because the dilution of the effective ingredient can't be picked up in nuclear magnetic resonance, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.......just ask the people that filled in their questionnaire on how they felt after taking it.......proof positive right there.tigersword wrote: »
Homeopathics? You do know that homeopathics are nothing but water, right?The human body is an amazing thing. And yes....all the built in systems of the body do much to excrete wastes. But the human body was made to process food--not to be bombarded with the cocktail of additives we ingest/breath/put on our skin. We were not made to digest pesticides. We were not made to digest artificial ingredients that don't add any nutritional value to the food--but make it pretty and maybe last longer in the box on the shelf.
Even with the bombardment, some people have enough nutritive balance and enough good gut bacteria to deal with the added burden of breaking down the toxic stuff ( naturally along with healthy kidney and liver function). Some don't. And those that reach the critical overload are well on their way to a diseased state. (Statistically speaking: 1-in-2 men, 1-in-3 women will be diagnosed with cancer)
I don't care at all for the MLM/hype/bandwagon approach for "cleanses and detox" regimes. I do think that cleansing is not a bad thing when it is done: correctly, gently and over a longer period of time. But I define cleanse as a process of taking fiber, herbs, minerals, vitamins, probiotics. I DO not subscribe to starvation/lemon/popular cleanses--- ever. I do believe that certain herbs (as well as homeopathics) can help the liver and kidneys purge some of the toxins that can cause damage to these organs, and that probiotics can help build up the good bacteria that can be wiped out from something as simple as chlorinated water.
But the caveat is that it is never a good idea to just start taking something....working with a good practitioner ( Dr., DO, homeopath--etc) is the best way to approach any change that is comprehensive.
BTW.....cleansing/detox for weight loss? Just no.
I hope that last remark was written in sarcasm font.
I imagine so. Homeopathy is nonsense. The 'positive reactions' are entirely placebo based and psychosomatic.
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christinev297 wrote: »I think a cleanse is a good idea if your blocked up/constipated. I've read some people only go to the loo once a week!!!!! These people definitely need a good cleanse/flush out
Taco Bell
A big handful of almonds or a bunch of raw carrots do the job for me.
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christinev297 wrote: »I think a cleanse is a good idea if your blocked up/constipated. I've read some people only go to the loo once a week!!!!! These people definitely need a good cleanse/flush out
Taco Bell
A big handful of almonds or a bunch of raw carrots do the job for me.
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jonnyman41 wrote: »depends on your definition of detox though!. No to all the quack quick fixes but if your diet is heavy in processed foods, too much alcohol or other damaging 'food' products, then by switching to a clearer diet you are certainly doing your body a favour and not over taxing its systems therefore it can run the normal detox functions well. (and I don't mean totally clean either but as near to it as you can and still enjoy life)
It is just common sense and listening to your body. Overindulge in alcohol? Most will pound the water the next day because you are really thirsty. Same thing with excess salt. Overate on heavy foods? Your stomach will feel full the next day, telling you to feed it lighter fare that day. Give your body the opportunity to do what it does best . . . cleanse itself.
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Amen.ithrowconfetti wrote:The only thing that needs to be cleansed is the rubbish spewed forth from every form of advocacy for the "importance of (insert ridiculous item here) for detoxing", and how some people link it to "boosting your metabolism". Please. The only thing that gets my metabolism going is my increased rate of certain hand gestures towards people when I'm trying to explain to people about the fallacy of detoxes.
This article is great:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance?CMP=fb_gu
and was quoted in its entirety on an MFP blog post here:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/_Zardoz_/view/you-can-t-detox-your-body-it-s-a-myth-712898
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So you're very suggestible.I have responded really well to homeopathics
This.Homeopathy is nonsense. The 'positive reactions' are entirely placebo based and psychosomatic.
That's not to say that people haven't experienced real changes, but it's not due to the parts-per-billion of whatever flower was supposed to be in the water, and its mythical powers.0 -
Amen.ithrowconfetti wrote:The only thing that needs to be cleansed is the rubbish spewed forth from every form of advocacy for the "importance of (insert ridiculous item here) for detoxing", and how some people link it to "boosting your metabolism". Please. The only thing that gets my metabolism going is my increased rate of certain hand gestures towards people when I'm trying to explain to people about the fallacy of detoxes.
This article is great:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-myth-health-diet-science-ignorance?CMP=fb_gu
and was quoted in its entirety on an MFP blog post here:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/_Zardoz_/view/you-can-t-detox-your-body-it-s-a-myth-712898
And both were already mentioned upthread but bear repeating.
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neanderthin wrote: »Yes it was. Not surprising homeopathy found it's way into a detox thread, actually expected it.
Is it time to break out the bingo cards already?
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neanderthin wrote: »Yes it was. Not surprising homeopathy found it's way into a detox thread, actually expected it.
Is it time to break out the bingo cards already?
Well it is almost January...
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So you're very suggestible.I have responded really well to homeopathics
Yeah....No. Perhaps you're projecting.I imagine so. Homeopathy is nonsense. The 'positive reactions' are entirely placebo based and psychosomatic.
Nonsense? Something either works or it doesn't. Placebo and psychosomatic may be proven over a single course of treatment/study, but what are the chances that they recur with new treatments for new ailments. The logic and science just don't correlate to placebo effect.
What is nonsense is being dismissive of entire courses of therapy because of personal belief. The definition of science is the systematic collection of data on a particular subject. That means all data. And that means all results. You don't get to choose results, you include them all. It becomes statistical at this point. What are the statistical odds that one can use a particular course of therapy with success ( traditional or alternative) that it becomes relevant? When it works.
Bringing it back to the cleanse.......0 -
neanderthin wrote: »Yes it was. Not surprising homeopathy found it's way into a detox thread, actually expected it.
Is it time to break out the bingo cards already?
Well it is almost January...
Maybe this year we should come up with a drinking game...
Everytime the word 'detox' is mentioned, take a shot.
Being drunk sounds like a good way to get through the winter. If only I wasn't pregnant with baby due in January... story of my life... /sob
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neanderthin wrote: »Yes it was. Not surprising homeopathy found it's way into a detox thread, actually expected it.
Is it time to break out the bingo cards already?
Well it is almost January...
Maybe this year we should come up with a drinking game...
Everytime the word 'detox' is mentioned, take a shot.
Being drunk sounds like a good way to get through the winter. If only I wasn't pregnant with baby due in January... story of my life... /sob
If you did that then you would down the road being talking a liver 'detox'.
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Just exactly what types of "toxins" are being "cleansed" out of my body by these so called "detox/cleanses?"
Any scientific data to support their claims???
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Do you really not know what "toxins" accumulate in the body? Or are you just trying to be clever? Or are you just looking for further support to debunk the already debunked "detox" portion of this topic thus far?
I can't tell if you are being earnest since you have a cheese head.
My BFF is a liver surgeon--her husband is the chief of surgery, who also started the transplant program for thier hospital. You should hear our conversations about livers! Fascinating and amusing. In the US we tend to treat the body once it reaches the diseased state. But more and more preventative measures are being prescribed as much as medications.
This is where the real power of food comes in. There are well documented foods that aid the liver in metabolisation of toxins. http://loveyourliver.com.au/loving-your-liver/diet
As far as common toxins to avoid? Pesticides and herbicides are the biggest. But for additional reading: http://loveyourliver.com.au/loving-your-liver/common-toxins-to-avoid
And one more.....if you are planning on playing "shots bingo", skip the tylenol <acetomenophin>....it competes w/ the same enzymes that metabolize alcohol....which can lead to an overdose, and liver damage...just google tylenol/hangover if you want to know more about the metabolic pathway.0 -
i believe homeopathy is bunk in and of itself, but never underestimate the power of the placebo response. it has been documented that if a patient passionately believes this "water with just the memory of the sulphur in it" (that's how a homeopathy fan once described it to me) they will begin to experience the response they expect. sort of a "mind over matter" thing.
i think with most detox pills potions and whatnot work the same way. the only detox i've ever found effective for anything is to cram in as much vegetable juice as i can for a couple days. it helps with my headaches, either because of the fluid or because i'm more than likely correcting a nutritional deficit in the process.0 -
Some People just don't believe in remedies that aren't 100% backed by science!!
If homeopathic remedies work, that's great. I would much prefer to put natural things in my body over man made chemicals.
I don't particularly care if people believe in it's effectiveness or not. If it works for you, then that's all that matters
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Which toxic relief program are you on, and which toxins are expelled, specifically ......or if you could point to a particular detox that elimanates specific toxins I'm sure everyone would be thankful of that information. CuriousDo you really not know what "toxins" accumulate in the body? Or are you just trying to be clever? Or are you just looking for further support to debunk the already debunked "detox" portion of this topic thus far?
I can't tell if you are being earnest since you have a cheese head.
My BFF is a liver surgeon--her husband is the chief of surgery, who also started the transplant program for thier hospital. You should hear our conversations about livers! Fascinating and amusing. In the US we tend to treat the body once it reaches the diseased state. But more and more preventative measures are being prescribed as much as medications.
This is where the real power of food comes in. There are well documented foods that aid the liver in metabolisation of toxins. http://loveyourliver.com.au/loving-your-liver/diet
As far as common toxins to avoid? Pesticides and herbicides are the biggest. But for additional reading: http://loveyourliver.com.au/loving-your-liver/common-toxins-to-avoid
And one more.....if you are planning on playing "shots bingo", skip the tylenol <acetomenophin>....it competes w/ the same enzymes that metabolize alcohol....which can lead to an overdose, and liver damage...just google tylenol/hangover if you want to know more about the metabolic pathway.
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christinev297 wrote: »Some People just don't believe in remedies that aren't 100% backed by science!!
If homeopathic remedies work, that's great. I would much prefer to put natural things in my body over man made chemicals.
I don't particularly care if people believe in it's effectiveness or not. If it works for you, then that's all that matters
It seems to have worked for the queen for many many years.
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neanderthin wrote: »Which toxic relief program are you on, and which toxins are expelled, specifically ......or if you could point to a particular detox that elimanates specific toxins I'm sure everyone would be thankful of that information. Curious
Do you even read??? Try that first, and THEN ask questions.
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