Sugar - possibly the easiest thing to cut back on for weight loss!
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Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
Hmmmm progress pictures posted to be nasty? It's called putting your money where your mouth is. To many people around here talk a big game and have nothing to show for it. If other people posting their progress is nasty then maybe you just have a little envy.
Of course you should have realized I was involved. I'm an evolution above you, you just can't keep up that's why you chose to ignore me
I thought posting progress pictures was simply to demonstrate that still eating sugar or other junky food doesn't stop progress? Personally I think it's extremely helpful for anyone who happens to browse and see that people have lost weight without eliminating anything from their diet.0 -
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ana3067 wrote:For me, access to food doesn't change how I eat. Knowing and setting my goals is what changes how much food I eat. I divide my calories into 3 (or 4) meals, log before I eat, and I don't snack between meals.
Other than at the stores, would you say your access to these items is the same as most other people's? Consider the locations I mentioned such as treats brought in at work, or the full menu available at various restaurants. You may not be able to properly evaluate the full effect of access if yours is greatly limited compared to others. I've stated my conclusion in advance but I'm still just asking. I'm not personally familiar with any GF individuals so I may be missing some details on daily nutrition
my access to food isn't really different from others. If I go to a restaurant, then I cannot choose from as many options, but I can still wind up choosing something high calorie (I ate a 700+ calorie salad like 2 weeks ago at a restaurant). I work in retail once a week (still a student), but if people do bring in food to work and it's something I can eat, I generally won't eat it because I have my own food in the back or because I can't weigh it and don't want to bother estimating. We have a lot of food in our house, we have like 6 chocolate bars in the kitchen. I have a snickers bar still in my room that I keep forgetting about. If I go grocery shopping there are a lot of options that I can choose from that are GF.
But yeah, access to food hasn't changed how I eat. When I did try eating gluten again earlier this year (didn't work, super bad symptoms after 2 months of it) the only difference was that I could choose between more fast food places. So now instead of say being able to choose between 10 places on campus, I might only be able to choose between 5. But I'm not limited to like, salad only everywhere.
I'd conclude that you don't have access to as wide a range of food choices at work or in restaurants, but I could see how there's plenty at home. Unless chocolate bars aren't really your weakness lol. I have a massive jar of peanut butter at home and I'm entirely "meh" about it. You do have some help with your fast food restaurants being cut down by 50% and possibly the choices off the menu in the ones you can dine in. By help I mean 50% less places where you either work in your craving, or more commonly you're driving by or walking by the restaurant and think, ooh I'm getting that! Unless of course your point is that you never do this, in which case, great job girl
Though I do remember a choice that you've made to prepare your own separate food in the house or at least prepare the food everyone eats, which is a laudable but possibly somewhat uncomfortable choice that not everyone would make
I used to eat like 4 chocolate bars in a sitting, so at one point they were a weakness. But I eat everything in moderation now. I'd actually say I'm more likely to overdo it on eggs now.
I generally do not randomly walk to a store and decide to eat something. I plan it ahead of time, but if it happens spontaneously it's not a big deal and I don't care if I go over my calories in that case. But I've had times where I've gone into a grocery store, bought a few bags of cookies, and had them on me for a few hours without eating them.
But access to food still does not change my eating habits. The only way it changes my eating habits are that it changes WHAT I eat, not how much I eat. E.g. if we have almost nothing at home I am likely going to use protein powder for a few meals to meet protein needs. Or if we don't have pasta I might do rice instead. Etc. But if I'm in a situation where there is a lot of food I don't just automatically eat like 2000 calories just because. I know my goals and I eat to meet my goals whenever possible.
I'd argue that the "what" is very closely intertwined with the "how much" since it automatically limits it. For example if even a small quantity of food in a buffet was some sort of instant turn off, that potentially could switch off my appetite.
But overall I sorta see what you're saying and how your behaviors are contributing to your success. You could probably make the most formidable argument on moderation and many of us will still be stuck on GF :laugh:
If I went to a buffet with really gross food though, then I will either go to a different restaurant or I will not eat muhc and then eat to the rest of my caloric needs at home (or another day if I could not make it work that day). I dunno why anyone would go to a restaurant they don't like though lol.
I personally do not see how not eating something that someone is allergic or sensitive to though relates to moderation, though.
Not quite, for me I meant turn off like a whole bunch of onions, which I hate, on many items. It could limit my quantities of even items I liked, or like you said I just wouldn't go there next time :bigsmile:
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I'm not. I also am not ashamed of myself. I don't feel stupid,lemurcat12 wrote: »
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
I'm sure they weren't.
I didn't take pics of myself at my fattest. I was fatter than TVG and am not as thin yet, but I will be that thin and thinner. I'm not in a competition, lol. I lose very slowly. You and I were tied at one point and you flew by me and hit your 100. I'm still closing in on 80, lol.
If I were going to worry about other people going faster or being thinner, I'd have given up a long time ago!
I'll get there.
I was just telling a friend how much I wish I'd taken pics - not for the board, to show off or rub it in or anything - but just to have, to look at and say, "Look what I did. Look how far I've come."
She sent me some fat pics of me, but not at my fattest. Nobody has those...and I'm not gaining it back to take one, lol.
Everyone should take pics when they start.
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I'm not. I also am not ashamed of myself. I don't feel stupid,lemurcat12 wrote: »
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
I'm sure they weren't.
I didn't take pics of myself at my fattest. I was fatter than TVG and am not as thin yet, but I will be that thin and thinner. I'm not in a competition, lol. I lose very slowly. You and I were tied at one point and you flew by me and hit your 100. I'm still closing in on 80, lol.
If I were going to worry about other people going faster or being thinner, I'd have given up a long time ago!
I'll get there.
I was just telling a friend how much I wish I'd taken pics - not for the board, to show off or rub it in or anything - but just to have, to look at and say, "Look what I did. Look how far I've come."
She sent me some fat pics of me, but not at my fattest. Nobody has those...and I'm not gaining it back to take one, lol.
Everyone should take pics when they start.
Aaaaahhh. When they start. Sometimes you don't even realize you're starting something successful until you're half way there. You're just putting one foot in front of the other because you're sick and tired of being sick and tired. Your steam fizzled out quickly on the many things you tried with temporary success, so who the heck knows if this is really it? That starting pic, I would say is really a declaration of faith. Huzzah to anyone that has one!
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I'm not. I also am not ashamed of myself. I don't feel stupid,lemurcat12 wrote: »
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
I'm sure they weren't.
I didn't take pics of myself at my fattest. I was fatter than TVG and am not as thin yet, but I will be that thin and thinner. I'm not in a competition, lol. I lose very slowly. You and I were tied at one point and you flew by me and hit your 100. I'm still closing in on 80, lol.
If I were going to worry about other people going faster or being thinner, I'd have given up a long time ago!
I'll get there.
I was just telling a friend how much I wish I'd taken pics - not for the board, to show off or rub it in or anything - but just to have, to look at and say, "Look what I did. Look how far I've come."
She sent me some fat pics of me, but not at my fattest. Nobody has those...and I'm not gaining it back to take one, lol.
Everyone should take pics when they start.
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I have no befores. Just picture my avatar, only rounder.
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Now I'll be disappointed if fat C3PO isn't in Star Wars Episode VII.0
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I'm not. I also am not ashamed of myself. I don't feel stupid,lemurcat12 wrote: »
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
I'm sure they weren't.
I didn't take pics of myself at my fattest. I was fatter than TVG and am not as thin yet, but I will be that thin and thinner. I'm not in a competition, lol. I lose very slowly. You and I were tied at one point and you flew by me and hit your 100. I'm still closing in on 80, lol.
If I were going to worry about other people going faster or being thinner, I'd have given up a long time ago!
I'll get there.
I was just telling a friend how much I wish I'd taken pics - not for the board, to show off or rub it in or anything - but just to have, to look at and say, "Look what I did. Look how far I've come."
She sent me some fat pics of me, but not at my fattest. Nobody has those...and I'm not gaining it back to take one, lol.
Everyone should take pics when they start.
Aaaaahhh. When they start. Sometimes you don't even realize you're starting something successful until you're half way there. You're just putting one foot in front of the other because you're sick and tired of being sick and tired. Your steam fizzled out quickly on the many things you tried with temporary success, so who the heck knows if this is really it? That starting pic, I would say is really a declaration of faith. Huzzah to anyone that has one!
I know. I tell people to take pics, but I figure they won't. I get why. Still, I wish I had, so I tell others to do it. "Take my advice, I don't use it!"
I wouldn't post them online, lol, but I do wish I had them.
Like you said, when I started, I didn't know where I'd end up.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I have no befores. Just picture my avatar, only rounder.
You still have a little work to do there. The sides of your neck have some bulging. Otherwise, you look awesome.0 -
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
I didn't post my photos to be nasty. Photos were asked for, so I (obviously stupidly) posted them, because I'm proud of how much I've accomplished.
It feels crappier than I would have thought to be accused otherwise.
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ana3067 wrote:For me, access to food doesn't change how I eat. Knowing and setting my goals is what changes how much food I eat. I divide my calories into 3 (or 4) meals, log before I eat, and I don't snack between meals.
Other than at the stores, would you say your access to these items is the same as most other people's? Consider the locations I mentioned such as treats brought in at work, or the full menu available at various restaurants. You may not be able to properly evaluate the full effect of access if yours is greatly limited compared to others. I've stated my conclusion in advance but I'm still just asking. I'm not personally familiar with any GF individuals so I may be missing some details on daily nutrition
my access to food isn't really different from others. If I go to a restaurant, then I cannot choose from as many options, but I can still wind up choosing something high calorie (I ate a 700+ calorie salad like 2 weeks ago at a restaurant). I work in retail once a week (still a student), but if people do bring in food to work and it's something I can eat, I generally won't eat it because I have my own food in the back or because I can't weigh it and don't want to bother estimating. We have a lot of food in our house, we have like 6 chocolate bars in the kitchen. I have a snickers bar still in my room that I keep forgetting about. If I go grocery shopping there are a lot of options that I can choose from that are GF.
But yeah, access to food hasn't changed how I eat. When I did try eating gluten again earlier this year (didn't work, super bad symptoms after 2 months of it) the only difference was that I could choose between more fast food places. So now instead of say being able to choose between 10 places on campus, I might only be able to choose between 5. But I'm not limited to like, salad only everywhere.
I'd conclude that you don't have access to as wide a range of food choices at work or in restaurants, but I could see how there's plenty at home. Unless chocolate bars aren't really your weakness lol. I have a massive jar of peanut butter at home and I'm entirely "meh" about it. You do have some help with your fast food restaurants being cut down by 50% and possibly the choices off the menu in the ones you can dine in. By help I mean 50% less places where you either work in your craving, or more commonly you're driving by or walking by the restaurant and think, ooh I'm getting that! Unless of course your point is that you never do this, in which case, great job girl
Though I do remember a choice that you've made to prepare your own separate food in the house or at least prepare the food everyone eats, which is a laudable but possibly somewhat uncomfortable choice that not everyone would make
I used to eat like 4 chocolate bars in a sitting, so at one point they were a weakness. But I eat everything in moderation now. I'd actually say I'm more likely to overdo it on eggs now.
I generally do not randomly walk to a store and decide to eat something. I plan it ahead of time, but if it happens spontaneously it's not a big deal and I don't care if I go over my calories in that case. But I've had times where I've gone into a grocery store, bought a few bags of cookies, and had them on me for a few hours without eating them.
But access to food still does not change my eating habits. The only way it changes my eating habits are that it changes WHAT I eat, not how much I eat. E.g. if we have almost nothing at home I am likely going to use protein powder for a few meals to meet protein needs. Or if we don't have pasta I might do rice instead. Etc. But if I'm in a situation where there is a lot of food I don't just automatically eat like 2000 calories just because. I know my goals and I eat to meet my goals whenever possible.
I'd argue that the "what" is very closely intertwined with the "how much" since it automatically limits it. For example if even a small quantity of food in a buffet was some sort of instant turn off, that potentially could switch off my appetite.
But overall I sorta see what you're saying and how your behaviors are contributing to your success. You could probably make the most formidable argument on moderation and many of us will still be stuck on GF :laugh:
If I went to a buffet with really gross food though, then I will either go to a different restaurant or I will not eat muhc and then eat to the rest of my caloric needs at home (or another day if I could not make it work that day). I dunno why anyone would go to a restaurant they don't like though lol.
I personally do not see how not eating something that someone is allergic or sensitive to though relates to moderation, though.
Not quite, for me I meant turn off like a whole bunch of onions, which I hate, on many items. It could limit my quantities of even items I liked, or like you said I just wouldn't go there next time :bigsmile:
Ah in those cases I would just pick out what I don't like, thankfully restaurants can be accommodating and will omit certain things! I do that if I want to get a salad wtih like croutons on it, have to ask for them to be omitted.0 -
That's all muscle...or is it metal??Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I have no befores. Just picture my avatar, only rounder.
You still have a little work to do there. The sides of your neck have some bulging. Otherwise, you look awesome.
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I'm not. I also am not ashamed of myself. I don't feel stupid,lemurcat12 wrote: »
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
I'm sure they weren't.
Virgoddess hasn't given any reason to assume that she's acting from bad motives and in context it makes sense that she posted the photos (which came up on another thread) and am feeling a little bad for her that it became an issue. Anyway, I think she looks great!I didn't take pics of myself at my fattest. I was fatter than TVG and am not as thin yet, but I will be that thin and thinner. I'm not in a competition, lol. I lose very slowly. You and I were tied at one point and you flew by me and hit your 100. I'm still closing in on 80, lol.
I've lost 89.5 so far, not 100, but I have time. ;-) At this point I just want to get into increasingly better shape.
I also didn't take photos at my fattest (there's one of me around 180 and one from last month on my profile, but the more recent one is obscured by a jacket--I might add another recent one soon). I do have one of me at my fattest because it's (sadly) on the internet and was also in a local magazine, ugh. I may or may not grab it before I work my hardest to remove all traces from the known universe. (Fat chance!)I was just telling a friend how much I wish I'd taken pics - not for the board, to show off or rub it in or anything - but just to have, to look at and say, "Look what I did. Look how far I've come."
Yeah, I sort of feel the same way--I like seeing other people's photos in the success stories.
I tell others to take the photos, but I just couldn't make myself do it. I didn't even measure myself until about 3 months in.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
Hmmmm progress pictures posted to be nasty? It's called putting your money where your mouth is. To many people around here talk a big game and have nothing to show for it. If other people posting their progress is nasty then maybe you just have a little envy.
Of course you should have realized I was involved. I'm an evolution above you, you just can't keep up that's why you chose to ignore me
Lol - you crack me up dude - you should be on the comedy circuit with that routine!
i'm trying to work out what list santa told you, you were on!
Your lack of progress and inability to comprehend nutrition and how the body works is what's comical.
Lol - life isn't measured on your waist line dude! You are so one dimensional.
I get around the tennis court quick enough thanks!
Still if that gets you through your days - more power to your elbow.
Personally I'd rather be happy knowing I care more about others rather than myself.
P.S. I think it's your lack of understanding of the benefits of proper nutrient that's more worrying!
Also thanks for continuing to give input into MY thread!
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt before. My mistake.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
I didn't post my photos to be nasty. Photos were asked for, so I (obviously stupidly) posted them, because I'm proud of how much I've accomplished.
It feels crappier than I would have thought to be accused otherwise.
Some might believe you're an unwitting pawn in MrM's nastiness. Not me.-1 -
TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
I didn't post my photos to be nasty. Photos were asked for, so I (obviously stupidly) posted them, because I'm proud of how much I've accomplished.
It feels crappier than I would have thought to be accused otherwise.
Your pics look awesome, period.
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I gave you the benefit of the doubt before. My mistake.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Edited.TheVirgoddess wrote: »
Silly me, offering congratulations when the pictures were posted to be nasty.
Should've known, since MrM was involved. I couldn't figure it out, why the posting of pics for no obvious reason, but thought it seemed appropriate to congratulate when congratulations seemed in order.
You got me, I guess, lol. I fell for it.
I didn't post my photos to be nasty. Photos were asked for, so I (obviously stupidly) posted them, because I'm proud of how much I've accomplished.
It feels crappier than I would have thought to be accused otherwise.
Some might believe you're an unwitting pawn in MrM's nastiness. Not me.
I'm not sure what I've done to bring you to that conclusion. I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I'm not a cruel person, nor am I a pawn.
Best of luck to you.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Actually you are all correct - my statement was not well thought out and I am going to delete it until I work out what I do mean. I couldn't sleep last night and spent half the night reading this enormous thread and I am sleep deprived and hungry so I'm off to have lunch - tuna and salad. I consider that healthy food - donuts, dr pepper, those horrible foods that sit in the local deli etc are junk to me.
Now TheVirgoddess - don't get irritated, life is too short for that.
There are a heap of things I consider junk food but honestly how does that effect you in any way. I have eaten this way for most of my life and aren't about to change now. My body lets me know if it is junk as I will lack energy, have a headache, foggy mind, bloated and in general wish to goodness I had never eaten it in the first place because it is JUNK!!
Yeah, sure. donuts are "junk," but they are also delicious, help me meet my macro goals, and make me pscyhologically pleased. I go through a box of 6 donuts in probably 1-2 months, and then can go months without buying donuts again. That's the nice thing about moderation for me, it's helped me stop binging and just eat these foods in non-ridiculous amounts and only when I actually feel like eating them. I practice moderation wtih all foods (healthy or not healthy).
Donuts help you meet your macro goals. heh.
Actually donuts will help you meet your macros goal. They're mainly carbs so they will count against your carb macros.
That's why just focusing on calories and macro's for a healthy diet is so flawed!
Not really. I focus on calories and macros (I really only focus on protein and having a good macro ratio for breakfast and lunch, though), and this enables me to eat pretty much anything. If I eat a late dinner and I see that I have to fill out 100g of carbs, I'm probably going to opt for a donut because I'd rather calorically dense intake that late at night so as to minimize stomach upset.
Donuts are great for carb macro needs. THey are not going to help you meet your protein needs, though. So clearly, one will need to eat other things like meat or fish or poultry. And fat intake? Well I can eat fatty meat or I can add butter or peanut butter. And do I want to only eat donuts all day? No, because I enjoy fruits and vegetables as well.
Moderation means one can eat any food, and that generally doesn't result in only eating donuts.
It's flawed because if I eat what i want, but in moderation then how am I making sure I'm getting all the micro nutrients I need.
My food choice may be - breakfast McDonalds: Sausage and egg mcmuffin with a hash brown (sticking to one hash, because I'm eating in moderation) and drink of choice full fat coke! Lunch at pizza hut (not a whole pizza, because I'm eating in moderation and for dinner something with chicken in a sweet sauce (maybe sweet & sour) and rice!
Now I may meet my macros and calories eating those things, I will eat them all in moderation because I have will power, so I stay in a calorie deficit.
But I'm a creature of habit and eat this everyday, because this is the food i WANT! I think before long I may be suffering the effects of some vitamin deficiencies.
So yes - for a healthy diet, it does matter what you eat and not just meeting you cals and Macros.
For a healthy diet it's important that we hit our micros. Any cals left after that can be used up eating anything we WANT!
I lol'ed because Coke has no fat.
Also, to be fair.. your OP was about weight loss, not eating for health.0 -
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Wait, you have to specify that you mean food when you say eat in moderation?0
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LolBroScience wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Actually you are all correct - my statement was not well thought out and I am going to delete it until I work out what I do mean. I couldn't sleep last night and spent half the night reading this enormous thread and I am sleep deprived and hungry so I'm off to have lunch - tuna and salad. I consider that healthy food - donuts, dr pepper, those horrible foods that sit in the local deli etc are junk to me.
Now TheVirgoddess - don't get irritated, life is too short for that. There are a heap of things I consider junk food but honestly how does that effect you in any way. I have eaten this way for most of my life and aren't about to change now. My body lets me know if it is junk as I will lack energy, have a headache, foggy mind, bloated and in general wish to goodness I had never eaten it in the first place because it is JUNK!!
Yeah, sure. donuts are "junk," but they are also delicious, help me meet my macro goals, and make me pscyhologically pleased. I go through a box of 6 donuts in probably 1-2 months, and then can go months without buying donuts again. That's the nice thing about moderation for me, it's helped me stop binging and just eat these foods in non-ridiculous amounts and only when I actually feel like eating them. I practice moderation wtih all foods (healthy or not healthy).
Donuts help you meet your macro goals. heh.
Actually donuts will help you meet your macros goal. They're mainly carbs so they will count against your carb macros.
That's why just focusing on calories and macro's for a healthy diet is so flawed!
Not really. I focus on calories and macros (I really only focus on protein and having a good macro ratio for breakfast and lunch, though), and this enables me to eat pretty much anything. If I eat a late dinner and I see that I have to fill out 100g of carbs, I'm probably going to opt for a donut because I'd rather calorically dense intake that late at night so as to minimize stomach upset.
Donuts are great for carb macro needs. THey are not going to help you meet your protein needs, though. So clearly, one will need to eat other things like meat or fish or poultry. And fat intake? Well I can eat fatty meat or I can add butter or peanut butter. And do I want to only eat donuts all day? No, because I enjoy fruits and vegetables as well.
Moderation means one can eat any food, and that generally doesn't result in only eating donuts.
It's flawed because if I eat what i want, but in moderation then how am I making sure I'm getting all the micro nutrients I need.
My food choice may be - breakfast McDonalds: Sausage and egg mcmuffin with a hash brown (sticking to one hash, because I'm eating in moderation) and drink of choice full fat coke! Lunch at pizza hut (not a whole pizza, because I'm eating in moderation and for dinner something with chicken in a sweet sauce (maybe sweet & sour) and rice!
Now I may meet my macros and calories eating those things, I will eat them all in moderation because I have will power, so I stay in a calorie deficit.
But I'm a creature of habit and eat this everyday, because this is the food i WANT! I think before long I may be suffering the effects of some vitamin deficiencies.
So yes - for a healthy diet, it does matter what you eat and not just meeting you cals and Macros.
For a healthy diet it's important that we hit our micros. Any cals left after that can be used up eating anything we WANT!
I lol'ed because Coke has no fat.
Also, to be fair.. your OP was about weight loss, not eating for health.
Well I mean, unless you add butter to it or something.0 -
I must admit MrM27, I was surprised by your photo as you look like such a nice young man.
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LolBroScience wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Actually you are all correct - my statement was not well thought out and I am going to delete it until I work out what I do mean. I couldn't sleep last night and spent half the night reading this enormous thread and I am sleep deprived and hungry so I'm off to have lunch - tuna and salad. I consider that healthy food - donuts, dr pepper, those horrible foods that sit in the local deli etc are junk to me.
Now TheVirgoddess - don't get irritated, life is too short for that. There are a heap of things I consider junk food but honestly how does that effect you in any way. I have eaten this way for most of my life and aren't about to change now. My body lets me know if it is junk as I will lack energy, have a headache, foggy mind, bloated and in general wish to goodness I had never eaten it in the first place because it is JUNK!!
Yeah, sure. donuts are "junk," but they are also delicious, help me meet my macro goals, and make me pscyhologically pleased. I go through a box of 6 donuts in probably 1-2 months, and then can go months without buying donuts again. That's the nice thing about moderation for me, it's helped me stop binging and just eat these foods in non-ridiculous amounts and only when I actually feel like eating them. I practice moderation wtih all foods (healthy or not healthy).
Donuts help you meet your macro goals. heh.
Actually donuts will help you meet your macros goal. They're mainly carbs so they will count against your carb macros.
That's why just focusing on calories and macro's for a healthy diet is so flawed!
Not really. I focus on calories and macros (I really only focus on protein and having a good macro ratio for breakfast and lunch, though), and this enables me to eat pretty much anything. If I eat a late dinner and I see that I have to fill out 100g of carbs, I'm probably going to opt for a donut because I'd rather calorically dense intake that late at night so as to minimize stomach upset.
Donuts are great for carb macro needs. THey are not going to help you meet your protein needs, though. So clearly, one will need to eat other things like meat or fish or poultry. And fat intake? Well I can eat fatty meat or I can add butter or peanut butter. And do I want to only eat donuts all day? No, because I enjoy fruits and vegetables as well.
Moderation means one can eat any food, and that generally doesn't result in only eating donuts.
It's flawed because if I eat what i want, but in moderation then how am I making sure I'm getting all the micro nutrients I need.
My food choice may be - breakfast McDonalds: Sausage and egg mcmuffin with a hash brown (sticking to one hash, because I'm eating in moderation) and drink of choice full fat coke! Lunch at pizza hut (not a whole pizza, because I'm eating in moderation and for dinner something with chicken in a sweet sauce (maybe sweet & sour) and rice!
Now I may meet my macros and calories eating those things, I will eat them all in moderation because I have will power, so I stay in a calorie deficit.
But I'm a creature of habit and eat this everyday, because this is the food i WANT! I think before long I may be suffering the effects of some vitamin deficiencies.
So yes - for a healthy diet, it does matter what you eat and not just meeting you cals and Macros.
For a healthy diet it's important that we hit our micros. Any cals left after that can be used up eating anything we WANT!
I lol'ed because Coke has no fat.
Also, to be fair.. your OP was about weight loss, not eating for health.
Well I mean, unless you add butter to it or something.
Coconut oil. Bulletproof Coke.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Actually you are all correct - my statement was not well thought out and I am going to delete it until I work out what I do mean. I couldn't sleep last night and spent half the night reading this enormous thread and I am sleep deprived and hungry so I'm off to have lunch - tuna and salad. I consider that healthy food - donuts, dr pepper, those horrible foods that sit in the local deli etc are junk to me.
Now TheVirgoddess - don't get irritated, life is too short for that. There are a heap of things I consider junk food but honestly how does that effect you in any way. I have eaten this way for most of my life and aren't about to change now. My body lets me know if it is junk as I will lack energy, have a headache, foggy mind, bloated and in general wish to goodness I had never eaten it in the first place because it is JUNK!!
Yeah, sure. donuts are "junk," but they are also delicious, help me meet my macro goals, and make me pscyhologically pleased. I go through a box of 6 donuts in probably 1-2 months, and then can go months without buying donuts again. That's the nice thing about moderation for me, it's helped me stop binging and just eat these foods in non-ridiculous amounts and only when I actually feel like eating them. I practice moderation wtih all foods (healthy or not healthy).
Donuts help you meet your macro goals. heh.
Actually donuts will help you meet your macros goal. They're mainly carbs so they will count against your carb macros.
That's why just focusing on calories and macro's for a healthy diet is so flawed!
Not really. I focus on calories and macros (I really only focus on protein and having a good macro ratio for breakfast and lunch, though), and this enables me to eat pretty much anything. If I eat a late dinner and I see that I have to fill out 100g of carbs, I'm probably going to opt for a donut because I'd rather calorically dense intake that late at night so as to minimize stomach upset.
Donuts are great for carb macro needs. THey are not going to help you meet your protein needs, though. So clearly, one will need to eat other things like meat or fish or poultry. And fat intake? Well I can eat fatty meat or I can add butter or peanut butter. And do I want to only eat donuts all day? No, because I enjoy fruits and vegetables as well.
Moderation means one can eat any food, and that generally doesn't result in only eating donuts.
It's flawed because if I eat what i want, but in moderation then how am I making sure I'm getting all the micro nutrients I need.
My food choice may be - breakfast McDonalds: Sausage and egg mcmuffin with a hash brown (sticking to one hash, because I'm eating in moderation) and drink of choice full fat coke! Lunch at pizza hut (not a whole pizza, because I'm eating in moderation and for dinner something with chicken in a sweet sauce (maybe sweet & sour) and rice!
Now I may meet my macros and calories eating those things, I will eat them all in moderation because I have will power, so I stay in a calorie deficit.
But I'm a creature of habit and eat this everyday, because this is the food i WANT! I think before long I may be suffering the effects of some vitamin deficiencies.
So yes - for a healthy diet, it does matter what you eat and not just meeting you cals and Macros.
For a healthy diet it's important that we hit our micros. Any cals left after that can be used up eating anything we WANT!
I lol'ed because Coke has no fat.
Also, to be fair.. your OP was about weight loss, not eating for health.
Well I mean, unless you add butter to it or something.
As I understand it, the "full fat" thing in reference to soda is common across the pond. You'll hear it used all over those "Secret Eater" shows on YouTube for example
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