My arms are skinny--increase volume?
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Remember, I did not bring up crossfit. However, I totally need to rag on crossfit if someone associates me with the zumba of weightlifting.
Here's my trend on crossfit hate
*I feel a little bored, so I thought this would amuse you
2010: Wtf am I witnessing
2011: I totally need to make fun of this *totally makes a youtube video
2012: I'm never going to run out of Crossfit jokes.
2013: Seriously, it's still going? What is wrong with these people
2014: I'm going to curbstomp the next crossfit person doing kipping pullups in my gym
I'm already tired of making fun of Crossfit. At this point in time, I'm more interested in watching crossfitters get injured, because it just means that I'll see one less crossfitter kipping/humping the pullup bar.
Crossfit isn't particularly my cup of tea, but there are still athletes out there that are fairly strong, and impressive from a performance point of view. Interestingly enough, I would bet that a good portion of them are stronger than you as well.. women included.
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No but you were the first person to leap violently at the chance to trash it and distance yourself from it- and then say you make fun of a group of people trying to improve their lives. There is no need to rag on it- just say- no. It's not my thing.Have you seen my previous posts on crossfit? lol I AM NO CROSSFITTER. I make fun of crossfit. Crossfit needs to die. period. Have you seen kipping?
its' fine to not be a crossfitter- but there is no need to make fun of it- yes they have their quarks- as do marathoners- that whole joke about how do you know if someone is a runner? just wait they'll tell you... kind of thing- it's applicable to everything.
I don't particular care for cross fit- it's not my cup of tea- I prefer better long term goals- but for some people it's perfect- and it's done more to get people lifting real weights than anything else has in the last 20 years.
Also what does kipping have to do with anything- it's not a pull up. it's a kip. It serves a purpose.
plain and simple.
Cross fit is the zumba of weight lifting. Much like I don't mind taking a zumba class once in a while- I'm under no delusions that it's a dance class.... same with cross fit- it's a great class for people who want to just sweat and get work out in and feel like they accomplished something.
but be of no delusions that it's a power training program. because it's not.
But there is not need to rag on it because it's not for you. That's just silly- and it makes you look childish.
Remember, I did not bring up crossfit. However, I totally need to rag on crossfit if someone associates me with the zumba of weightlifting.
Here's my trend on crossfit hate
*I feel a little bored, so I thought this would amuse you
2010: Wtf am I witnessing
2011: I totally need to make fun of this *totally makes a youtube video
2012: I'm never going to run out of Crossfit jokes.
2013: Seriously, it's still going? What is wrong with these people
2014: I'm going to curbstomp the next crossfit person doing kipping pullups in my gym
I'm already tired of making fun of Crossfit. At this point in time, I'm more interested in watching crossfitters get injured, because it just means that I'll see one less crossfitter kipping/humping the pullup bar.
You're clearly not tired of it- because you're still going- seriously- curbstomp someone doing something different than you?
So you are going to curbstomp me for doing walking lunges with a releve and passe hold in my gym?
Just because it is not YOU- doesn't mean it's not invalid.
If you knew anything about weight lifting/powerlifting/oly lifting- you'd be glad- crossfit has done amazing things for getting people off the couch and even pushed people into power/oly lifting strictly.
These people aren't trying to be world class athletes- they are just trying to get better stronger and faster at what they are doing.
And again. Kipping isn't a pull up- stop trying to think a kipping pull up is a broken pull up- they are two different exercises entirely.
Again- just because it's not YOUR particular choice of exercises doesn't give you the right- or ground to stand on to rag on it- they aren't bothering you- leave it be. Grow up and just LET IT GO.
LET IT GOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
LET IT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0 -
Well, I'm glad this got interesting again. Good thing the OP got good advice pages ago because not much useful has come from this thread...0
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well- we have now learned that it's okay to curbstomp crossfitters.
so I mean- there is that.0 -
Now we wait. Probably will be awhile...maybe he's got computer lab 4th period.0
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I have no experience designing my own programs, but this might be helpful:
bretcontreras.com/allocating-volume-maximize-muscle-growth/0 -
@JoRocka
"So you are going to curbstomp me for doing walking lunges with a releve and passe hold in my gym?"
Well I hope your proud of yourself. I haven't even had any coffee yet and already you've made me use Google. Damn it you're too smart.... you make me feel dumb
While your responses have been eloquent and intelligent, I'm afraid they've been a complete waste of your time and resources in this thread. If nobody feeds it maybe it will just wither and die. Fingers crossed.0 -
I'm not insulted, but I disagree with you entirely.
Even a competition level natural bodybuilder doesn't say "I must get my biceps from 15" to 17.2".
They instead understand how to stimulate growth and they manage their training and diet and get the most they can out of it.
You're being ridiculous in this specific context of muscle size.
Even a competition level natural bodybuilder doesn't say "I must get my biceps from 15" to 17.2".
Sure, you don't go in the gym and say "I need to increase my arms by an inch" because that's just weird; and you also don't run a business meeting and tell people "we need a 20% profit margin increase by next month". However, I would think you would need a reference point to whether you're succeeding or failing towards what you want. In a business context, if I don't keep yearly income statements on daily operations, how do I know whether or not I am doing better or worse than the year before? I don't, because I don't have indicators to tell me otherwise. When you don't have clear and precise goals/indicators, you don't know how well you are doing. This should be true of any endeavor including being a natural bodybuilding competitor.
You keep track of progress by measuring. In the context of this discussion (arm size) the OP would keep track of rate of growth of her arms.
This is entirely different from having a target size that she is trying to achieve which is the statement you originally made.
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I'm not insulted, but I disagree with you entirely.
Even a competition level natural bodybuilder doesn't say "I must get my biceps from 15" to 17.2".
They instead understand how to stimulate growth and they manage their training and diet and get the most they can out of it.
You're being ridiculous in this specific context of muscle size.
Even a competition level natural bodybuilder doesn't say "I must get my biceps from 15" to 17.2".
Sure, you don't go in the gym and say "I need to increase my arms by an inch" because that's just weird; and you also don't run a business meeting and tell people "we need a 20% profit margin increase by next month". However, I would think you would need a reference point to whether you're succeeding or failing towards what you want. In a business context, if I don't keep yearly income statements on daily operations, how do I know whether or not I am doing better or worse than the year before? I don't, because I don't have indicators to tell me otherwise. When you don't have clear and precise goals/indicators, you don't know how well you are doing. This should be true of any endeavor including being a natural bodybuilding competitor.
You keep track of progress by measuring. In the context of this discussion (arm size) the OP would keep track of rate of growth of her arms.
This is entirely different from having a target size that she is trying to achieve which is the statement you originally made.
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Okay I skipped the last 3 pages (and definitely skimmed the synthol stuff), but if you're pressed for time, I would definitely omit the curls and such. One exercise we do in aerial that is a great combo exercise are pull-up egg rolls. Do a pull-up and at the top egg-roll so you are inverted. Egg-rolls really hit the biceps, but you're also hitting lats and some abs. You can negative with straight legs too and hit more ab. With your pull-up bar, you can also do pike pull-ups and skin-the-cats (for back), etc.
I'd also do dips long before I'd do tricep kick-backs, but I really like a lot of bang for my buck when it comes to exercises. The only thing I try to target specifically is glutes because they're so lazy. Oh, I also do cable rows to really isolate the rhomboids.0 -
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Who are you telling. My poor button on my uniform pants today. Plus these aholes had a big tin of Caramel Popcorn.LolBroScience wrote: »
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Who are you telling. My poor button on my uniform pants today. Plus these aholes had a big tin of Caramel Popcorn.LolBroScience wrote: »
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LolBroScience wrote: »Remember, I did not bring up crossfit. However, I totally need to rag on crossfit if someone associates me with the zumba of weightlifting.
Here's my trend on crossfit hate
*I feel a little bored, so I thought this would amuse you
2010: Wtf am I witnessing
2011: I totally need to make fun of this *totally makes a youtube video
2012: I'm never going to run out of Crossfit jokes.
2013: Seriously, it's still going? What is wrong with these people
2014: I'm going to curbstomp the next crossfit person doing kipping pullups in my gym
I'm already tired of making fun of Crossfit. At this point in time, I'm more interested in watching crossfitters get injured, because it just means that I'll see one less crossfitter kipping/humping the pullup bar.
Crossfit isn't particularly my cup of tea, but there are still athletes out there that are fairly strong, and impressive from a performance point of view. Interestingly enough, I would bet that a good portion of them are stronger than you as well.. women included.
(Next statement not meant to be rude) Your position on strength seems kind of one dimensional, and I would not be surprised that some athletes specialize and have advantages in certain types of strengths.
Different types of strengths can include:
Maximal strength- greatest amount of force that a muscle or muscle groups can voluntarily produce, regardless of time
Explosive strength- acceleration or rate of force development, or the neuromuscular system's ability to generate high action velocities
Strength endurance-ability of a muscle or group of muscles to repeatedly exert force against resistance
Relative strength- how strong you are in relation to your bodyweight
For most crossfitters, they specialize in strength endurance. Whereas, powerlifters specialize in maximal strength. Neither of which my programming is focused on.
it would be unfair to deem a crossfitter more fit/ stronger than a powerlifter because he/she has relatively more stamina (strength endurance), which is not necessarily a fair conclusion on the basis that they are not being judged in the same arena.
* On the whole Crossfit thing, well, I'm just tired of it. I really don't care anymore, as long as I'm not being antagonized by crossfit people or labelled as a crossfitter.
*Op should totally do pullups for bigger arms. Because well...crossfit logic
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LolBroScience wrote: »Remember, I did not bring up crossfit. However, I totally need to rag on crossfit if someone associates me with the zumba of weightlifting.
Here's my trend on crossfit hate
*I feel a little bored, so I thought this would amuse you
2010: Wtf am I witnessing
2011: I totally need to make fun of this *totally makes a youtube video
2012: I'm never going to run out of Crossfit jokes.
2013: Seriously, it's still going? What is wrong with these people
2014: I'm going to curbstomp the next crossfit person doing kipping pullups in my gym
I'm already tired of making fun of Crossfit. At this point in time, I'm more interested in watching crossfitters get injured, because it just means that I'll see one less crossfitter kipping/humping the pullup bar.
Crossfit isn't particularly my cup of tea, but there are still athletes out there that are fairly strong, and impressive from a performance point of view. Interestingly enough, I would bet that a good portion of them are stronger than you as well.. women included.
(Next statement not meant to be rude) Your position on strength seems kind of one dimensional, and I would not be surprised that some athletes specialize and have advantages in certain types of strengths.
Different types of strengths can include:
Maximal strength- greatest amount of force that a muscle or muscle groups can voluntarily produce, regardless of time
Explosive strength- acceleration or rate of force development, or the neuromuscular system's ability to generate high action velocities
Strength endurance-ability of a muscle or group of muscles to repeatedly exert force against resistance
Relative strength- how strong you are in relation to your bodyweight
For most crossfitters, they specialize in strength endurance. Whereas, powerlifters specialize in maximal strength. Neither of which my programming is focused on.
it would be unfair to deem a crossfitter more fit/ stronger than a powerlifter because he/she has relatively more stamina (strength endurance), which is not necessarily a fair conclusion on the basis that they are not being judged in the same arena.
* On the whole Crossfit thing, well, I'm just tired of it. I really don't care anymore, as long as I'm not being antagonized by crossfit people or labelled as a crossfitter.
*Op should totally do pullups for bigger arms. Because well...crossfit logic
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I'd label you as a Kenyan long distance runner-1
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This has been a very interesting thread. Solid advice on the first page from many long time members who recognize the OP and understand her goals. Then we get some kid on here sharing random *kitten* and thinking it's funny to give unrealistic advice. Never change MFP, never change.
By the way, I sent the OP a PM. I figured as a female who struggled to make my arms grow and finally saw some decent results I'd share some anatomy that helped me understand why I wasn't growing and a general idea of what I've used that worked.0 -
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LolBroScience wrote: »Remember, I did not bring up crossfit. However, I totally need to rag on crossfit if someone associates me with the zumba of weightlifting.
Here's my trend on crossfit hate
*I feel a little bored, so I thought this would amuse you
2010: Wtf am I witnessing
2011: I totally need to make fun of this *totally makes a youtube video
2012: I'm never going to run out of Crossfit jokes.
2013: Seriously, it's still going? What is wrong with these people
2014: I'm going to curbstomp the next crossfit person doing kipping pullups in my gym
I'm already tired of making fun of Crossfit. At this point in time, I'm more interested in watching crossfitters get injured, because it just means that I'll see one less crossfitter kipping/humping the pullup bar.
Crossfit isn't particularly my cup of tea, but there are still athletes out there that are fairly strong, and impressive from a performance point of view. Interestingly enough, I would bet that a good portion of them are stronger than you as well.. women included.
(Next statement not meant to be rude) Your position on strength seems kind of one dimensional, and I would not be surprised that some athletes specialize and have advantages in certain types of strengths.
Different types of strengths can include:
Maximal strength- greatest amount of force that a muscle or muscle groups can voluntarily produce, regardless of time
Explosive strength- acceleration or rate of force development, or the neuromuscular system's ability to generate high action velocities
Strength endurance-ability of a muscle or group of muscles to repeatedly exert force against resistance
Relative strength- how strong you are in relation to your bodyweight
For most crossfitters, they specialize in strength endurance. Whereas, powerlifters specialize in maximal strength. Neither of which my programming is focused on.
it would be unfair to deem a crossfitter more fit/ stronger than a powerlifter because he/she has relatively more stamina (strength endurance), which is not necessarily a fair conclusion on the basis that they are not being judged in the same arena.
* On the whole Crossfit thing, well, I'm just tired of it. I really don't care anymore, as long as I'm not being antagonized by crossfit people or labelled as a crossfitter.
*Op should totally do pullups for bigger arms. Because well...crossfit logic
Thank you for telling me everything I'm already aware of. I still stand by my point that a large portion (women included) are stronger than you. Give credit where credit is due.0 -
I feel like that was a huge giant "no duh" response.
we all already know that- it's like yelling at powerlifters- Y USUCKATRUNNING BRAh.
because dipsh!t I don't train to run- I train to lift.
different goals- different trainging- different results. Derp- we know.
Secondly- YES- actually- reverse grip cheater pull ups have more bicep activation almost ANY other curl we do.
So yeah- PS- he's right.... and also second PPS- he's not a crossfitter- jesus H christ.
Secondly- thirdly - forthly whatever
- he's significantly more educated and qualified than you are to speak on the subject.
Seriously
if Fred Hatfield is endorsing the man- I shut up and listen
http://www.davedraper.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=PmWiki.BillStarrBill Starr, author of The Strongest Shall Survive, Defying Gravity and his massive 725-page fiction, The Susquehanna River Hills Chronicles, is a former Olympic lifter and powerlifting competitor. In 1966 he moved to York, Pennsylvania, where he became the assistant editor of Strength and Health magazine, and later became the strength and conditioning coach for the Baltimore Colts, the Houston Oilers, and at the University of Hawaii, the University of Maryland and Johns Hopkins. He currently writes for MILO and Iron Man magazines.
In this article by Fred Hatfield, Dr. Squat writes:
Starr became one of the first strength and conditioning coaches in the NFL when he joined the Baltimore Colts in 1970. His resume includes a long list of positions held and writing for some of the biggest magazines of the era. Suffice it to say, he's been around the world of strength for a pretty long time, and knows that world like the back of his hand!
Writes Marty Gallagher, "''The Strongest Shall Survive; Defying Gravity by Bill Starr, 1976 Bill Starr is arguably the best writer in the fitness game and a man I have read since the mid-sixties. Anytime I see his name, I read whatever is attached to it. No arm chair quarterback, Bill cleaned 446 and won the Pan Am Games back in the sixties. The Strongest Shall Survive is a book about football preparation and is still relevant today. Defying Gravity is about preparing for powerlifting and weightlifting competition. Starr has a wonderful ability to combine antecedents with science. He consistently comes up with commonsense ways to nurture improvement. He writes for MILO magazine currently and remains at the top of his formidable abilities.''0 -
@JoRocka
"So you are going to curbstomp me for doing walking lunges with a releve and passe hold in my gym?"
Well I hope your proud of yourself. I haven't even had any coffee yet and already you've made me use Google. Damn it you're too smart.... you make me feel dumb
While your responses have been eloquent and intelligent, I'm afraid they've been a complete waste of your time and resources in this thread. If nobody feeds it maybe it will just wither and die. Fingers crossed.
I know- but well- I can't help myself- I used to be faily negative on cross fit and then I realized- it's like zumba- then it made sense- and also I realized- it doesn't bother me- and people are making their lives better... it fall a little bit under the " i hate girls who workout with make up" kind of subject- which I rail against vehemently. (I lift in make up-and it has yet to hold up progress-LMAO)
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anyway- sorry for the le-google- I shall video next time I do them just for you
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LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »Remember, I did not bring up crossfit. However, I totally need to rag on crossfit if someone associates me with the zumba of weightlifting.
Here's my trend on crossfit hate
*I feel a little bored, so I thought this would amuse you
2010: Wtf am I witnessing
2011: I totally need to make fun of this *totally makes a youtube video
2012: I'm never going to run out of Crossfit jokes.
2013: Seriously, it's still going? What is wrong with these people
2014: I'm going to curbstomp the next crossfit person doing kipping pullups in my gym
I'm already tired of making fun of Crossfit. At this point in time, I'm more interested in watching crossfitters get injured, because it just means that I'll see one less crossfitter kipping/humping the pullup bar.
Crossfit isn't particularly my cup of tea, but there are still athletes out there that are fairly strong, and impressive from a performance point of view. Interestingly enough, I would bet that a good portion of them are stronger than you as well.. women included.
(Next statement not meant to be rude) Your position on strength seems kind of one dimensional, and I would not be surprised that some athletes specialize and have advantages in certain types of strengths.
Different types of strengths can include:
Maximal strength- greatest amount of force that a muscle or muscle groups can voluntarily produce, regardless of time
Explosive strength- acceleration or rate of force development, or the neuromuscular system's ability to generate high action velocities
Strength endurance-ability of a muscle or group of muscles to repeatedly exert force against resistance
Relative strength- how strong you are in relation to your bodyweight
For most crossfitters, they specialize in strength endurance. Whereas, powerlifters specialize in maximal strength. Neither of which my programming is focused on.
it would be unfair to deem a crossfitter more fit/ stronger than a powerlifter because he/she has relatively more stamina (strength endurance), which is not necessarily a fair conclusion on the basis that they are not being judged in the same arena.
* On the whole Crossfit thing, well, I'm just tired of it. I really don't care anymore, as long as I'm not being antagonized by crossfit people or labelled as a crossfitter.
*Op should totally do pullups for bigger arms. Because well...crossfit logic
Thank you for telling me everything I'm already aware of. I still stand by my point that a large portion (women included) are stronger than you. Give credit where credit is due.
Oomph. :laugh:
Well, I read all 7 pages and found this seems to sum up a majority of what was going on.
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Lol at not quite knowing who Bill Starr is and thinking he's a crossfitter.
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