My arms are skinny--increase volume?

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  • LotusAsh
    LotusAsh Posts: 294 Member
    w734q672 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    A mere suggestion, that is all...damn..

    It does seem to be a misunderstanding in my view since you thought she was trying to build and didn't understand the 531 program she was on. I think it's just time to let it go at that. :)

    To OP, as you know I do the same program but I've decided this week to add a bi/forearm day to my abs after the leg day. I'll let you know how that works but since you hit your tris two days and bis only once I thought I would give it a try.


    Your obviously a nice person, you can disagree with me without trying to make me feel like an ignorant idiot... You are right, I don't know much about this program, but my point the bicep and triceps are not large muscles, it doesn't take much time to blast them hard, I just don't see how this would interfere with that program..

    It may not in reality but 531 is a four day, push/pull/lower split so you would have to be careful how you position a pure arms day. The split is push, pull, rest, push, leg, rest, rest. This means it would be hard to put triceps into any other day without interfering with one of the push days (assuming 48 hours rest required). Biceps can be put in on the 2nd rest day and not interfere so this is what I am trying. I wouldn't want to do triceps on a 3rd day so I work them on both push days.

    Does this make sense?

    You do need proper recovery, I guess you could add a bicep exercise or two on your pull day, and a triceps exercise on her push days.. I don't think it would interfere if she did the arm workout on
    Saturday morning.. Maybe at first, but she will get accustomed to it after a while, the body can adapt.




    True, it might be something she can try. She can read and respond tomorrow I don't want to speak for her but it might be an idea. I might try it next week and see what happens. I already work bisceps on my pull days so that gives me 2 bi/forearm and 2 tri but triceps can generally handle a bigger load. As long as it doesn't interfere with the bench it should work.

    In terms of your argument, what exercise science evidence can you provide that shows that separation of pull/push foundation is more or less beneficial to hypertrophy growth and recovery.

    You didn't actually read my posts or you wouldn't ask me about hypertrophy, now would you?

    "You do need proper recovery, I guess you could add a bicep exercise or two on your pull day, and a triceps exercise on her push days.. I don't think it would interfere if she did the arm workout on Saturday morning."
    I am making an inference on your previous statement on the separation of pull/ push exercises. I am assuming that you believe that rest time is necessary between the two forms. I am just curious, not necessarily trolling you or anything like that

    What I was trying to say is that you didn't understand what I was pointing out since it's not a building program where hypertrophy is the over-riding factor. If I was on a building program then I would do different splits with higher volume per week on each muscle group.

    I, and the OP, are on a powerlifting program and the rest time is longer for reason specific to the philosophy of training that encompass powerlifting. If I was to link to any current hypertrophy related articles I think you would find that volume per week is more important so if you want that you should be looking here:

    hypertrophyspecific.com/hst_index.html

    BTW no I didn't' think you were trolling, I just thought you were asking the wrong person.

    "I have skinny arms and would love to make them bigger. I'd love to add more volume, but I'm completely squeezed for time (I have exactly 35 minutes to go to the gym each day, which is just enough time to get the big muscle groups each time). I've been lifting for a few years and am currently in the middle of my second bulk."

    This girl doesn't know what she wants, and her programming and goal setting reflects it. She has this specific "spot training" (myth) goal from what I can interpret, which is kind of unhealthy even from an aesthetic standpoint. Just curious, what happens when you hit a plateau in powerlifting from a programming standpoint?

    Uh, you alter variables. The same way you would approach any plateau.

    ^this
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,552 Member
    This thread hurts my feelings.
  • PwrLftr82
    PwrLftr82 Posts: 963 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    This thread hurts my feelings.

    Girl, you're fabulous....but you don't need me to tell you that! <3
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,564 Member
    w734q672 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    A mere suggestion, that is all...damn..

    It does seem to be a misunderstanding in my view since you thought she was trying to build and didn't understand the 531 program she was on. I think it's just time to let it go at that. :)

    To OP, as you know I do the same program but I've decided this week to add a bi/forearm day to my abs after the leg day. I'll let you know how that works but since you hit your tris two days and bis only once I thought I would give it a try.


    Your obviously a nice person, you can disagree with me without trying to make me feel like an ignorant idiot... You are right, I don't know much about this program, but my point the bicep and triceps are not large muscles, it doesn't take much time to blast them hard, I just don't see how this would interfere with that program..

    It may not in reality but 531 is a four day, push/pull/lower split so you would have to be careful how you position a pure arms day. The split is push, pull, rest, push, leg, rest, rest. This means it would be hard to put triceps into any other day without interfering with one of the push days (assuming 48 hours rest required). Biceps can be put in on the 2nd rest day and not interfere so this is what I am trying. I wouldn't want to do triceps on a 3rd day so I work them on both push days.

    Does this make sense?

    You do need proper recovery, I guess you could add a bicep exercise or two on your pull day, and a triceps exercise on her push days.. I don't think it would interfere if she did the arm workout on
    Saturday morning.. Maybe at first, but she will get accustomed to it after a while, the body can adapt.




    True, it might be something she can try. She can read and respond tomorrow I don't want to speak for her but it might be an idea. I might try it next week and see what happens. I already work bisceps on my pull days so that gives me 2 bi/forearm and 2 tri but triceps can generally handle a bigger load. As long as it doesn't interfere with the bench it should work.

    In terms of your argument, what exercise science evidence can you provide that shows that separation of pull/push foundation is more or less beneficial to hypertrophy growth and recovery.

    You didn't actually read my posts or you wouldn't ask me about hypertrophy, now would you?

    "You do need proper recovery, I guess you could add a bicep exercise or two on your pull day, and a triceps exercise on her push days.. I don't think it would interfere if she did the arm workout on Saturday morning."
    I am making an inference on your previous statement on the separation of pull/ push exercises. I am assuming that you believe that rest time is necessary between the two forms. I am just curious, not necessarily trolling you or anything like that

    What I was trying to say is that you didn't understand what I was pointing out since it's not a building program where hypertrophy is the over-riding factor. If I was on a building program then I would do different splits with higher volume per week on each muscle group.

    I, and the OP, are on a powerlifting program and the rest time is longer for reason specific to the philosophy of training that encompass powerlifting. If I was to link to any current hypertrophy related articles I think you would find that volume per week is more important so if you want that you should be looking here:

    hypertrophyspecific.com/hst_index.html

    BTW no I didn't' think you were trolling, I just thought you were asking the wrong person.

    "I have skinny arms and would love to make them bigger. I'd love to add more volume, but I'm completely squeezed for time (I have exactly 35 minutes to go to the gym each day, which is just enough time to get the big muscle groups each time). I've been lifting for a few years and am currently in the middle of my second bulk."

    This girl doesn't know what she wants, and her programming and goal setting reflects it. She has this specific "spot training" (myth) goal from what I can interpret, which is kind of unhealthy even from an aesthetic standpoint. Just curious, what happens when you hit a plateau in powerlifting from a programming standpoint?

    How is wanting bigger arms mentally unhealthy? It's not as is she is obsessing over it and testing "add in inch to your arms in 24 hours" routines.
  • PwrLftr82
    PwrLftr82 Posts: 963 Member
    w734q672 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    A mere suggestion, that is all...damn..

    It does seem to be a misunderstanding in my view since you thought she was trying to build and didn't understand the 531 program she was on. I think it's just time to let it go at that. :)

    To OP, as you know I do the same program but I've decided this week to add a bi/forearm day to my abs after the leg day. I'll let you know how that works but since you hit your tris two days and bis only once I thought I would give it a try.


    Your obviously a nice person, you can disagree with me without trying to make me feel like an ignorant idiot... You are right, I don't know much about this program, but my point the bicep and triceps are not large muscles, it doesn't take much time to blast them hard, I just don't see how this would interfere with that program..

    It may not in reality but 531 is a four day, push/pull/lower split so you would have to be careful how you position a pure arms day. The split is push, pull, rest, push, leg, rest, rest. This means it would be hard to put triceps into any other day without interfering with one of the push days (assuming 48 hours rest required). Biceps can be put in on the 2nd rest day and not interfere so this is what I am trying. I wouldn't want to do triceps on a 3rd day so I work them on both push days.

    Does this make sense?

    You do need proper recovery, I guess you could add a bicep exercise or two on your pull day, and a triceps exercise on her push days.. I don't think it would interfere if she did the arm workout on
    Saturday morning.. Maybe at first, but she will get accustomed to it after a while, the body can adapt.




    True, it might be something she can try. She can read and respond tomorrow I don't want to speak for her but it might be an idea. I might try it next week and see what happens. I already work bisceps on my pull days so that gives me 2 bi/forearm and 2 tri but triceps can generally handle a bigger load. As long as it doesn't interfere with the bench it should work.

    In terms of your argument, what exercise science evidence can you provide that shows that separation of pull/push foundation is more or less beneficial to hypertrophy growth and recovery.

    You didn't actually read my posts or you wouldn't ask me about hypertrophy, now would you?

    "You do need proper recovery, I guess you could add a bicep exercise or two on your pull day, and a triceps exercise on her push days.. I don't think it would interfere if she did the arm workout on Saturday morning."
    I am making an inference on your previous statement on the separation of pull/ push exercises. I am assuming that you believe that rest time is necessary between the two forms. I am just curious, not necessarily trolling you or anything like that

    What I was trying to say is that you didn't understand what I was pointing out since it's not a building program where hypertrophy is the over-riding factor. If I was on a building program then I would do different splits with higher volume per week on each muscle group.

    I, and the OP, are on a powerlifting program and the rest time is longer for reason specific to the philosophy of training that encompass powerlifting. If I was to link to any current hypertrophy related articles I think you would find that volume per week is more important so if you want that you should be looking here:

    hypertrophyspecific.com/hst_index.html

    BTW no I didn't' think you were trolling, I just thought you were asking the wrong person.

    "I have skinny arms and would love to make them bigger. I'd love to add more volume, but I'm completely squeezed for time (I have exactly 35 minutes to go to the gym each day, which is just enough time to get the big muscle groups each time). I've been lifting for a few years and am currently in the middle of my second bulk."

    This girl doesn't know what she wants, and her programming and goal setting reflects it. She has this specific "spot training" (myth) goal from what I can interpret, which is kind of unhealthy even from an aesthetic standpoint. Just curious, what happens when you hit a plateau in powerlifting from a programming standpoint?

    How is wanting bigger arms mentally unhealthy? It's not as is she is obsessing over it and testing "add in inch to your arms in 24 hours" routines.

    Kyle, I can't sleep at night and I'm measuring every 5 minutes. I did 5 hours of bis/tris yesterday and think I got a tiny pump.

    Or not. Did some arm supersets on Sat. and moved on with my life.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,564 Member
    PwrLftr82 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    A mere suggestion, that is all...damn..

    It does seem to be a misunderstanding in my view since you thought she was trying to build and didn't understand the 531 program she was on. I think it's just time to let it go at that. :)

    To OP, as you know I do the same program but I've decided this week to add a bi/forearm day to my abs after the leg day. I'll let you know how that works but since you hit your tris two days and bis only once I thought I would give it a try.


    Your obviously a nice person, you can disagree with me without trying to make me feel like an ignorant idiot... You are right, I don't know much about this program, but my point the bicep and triceps are not large muscles, it doesn't take much time to blast them hard, I just don't see how this would interfere with that program..

    It may not in reality but 531 is a four day, push/pull/lower split so you would have to be careful how you position a pure arms day. The split is push, pull, rest, push, leg, rest, rest. This means it would be hard to put triceps into any other day without interfering with one of the push days (assuming 48 hours rest required). Biceps can be put in on the 2nd rest day and not interfere so this is what I am trying. I wouldn't want to do triceps on a 3rd day so I work them on both push days.

    Does this make sense?

    You do need proper recovery, I guess you could add a bicep exercise or two on your pull day, and a triceps exercise on her push days.. I don't think it would interfere if she did the arm workout on
    Saturday morning.. Maybe at first, but she will get accustomed to it after a while, the body can adapt.




    True, it might be something she can try. She can read and respond tomorrow I don't want to speak for her but it might be an idea. I might try it next week and see what happens. I already work bisceps on my pull days so that gives me 2 bi/forearm and 2 tri but triceps can generally handle a bigger load. As long as it doesn't interfere with the bench it should work.

    In terms of your argument, what exercise science evidence can you provide that shows that separation of pull/push foundation is more or less beneficial to hypertrophy growth and recovery.

    You didn't actually read my posts or you wouldn't ask me about hypertrophy, now would you?

    "You do need proper recovery, I guess you could add a bicep exercise or two on your pull day, and a triceps exercise on her push days.. I don't think it would interfere if she did the arm workout on Saturday morning."
    I am making an inference on your previous statement on the separation of pull/ push exercises. I am assuming that you believe that rest time is necessary between the two forms. I am just curious, not necessarily trolling you or anything like that

    What I was trying to say is that you didn't understand what I was pointing out since it's not a building program where hypertrophy is the over-riding factor. If I was on a building program then I would do different splits with higher volume per week on each muscle group.

    I, and the OP, are on a powerlifting program and the rest time is longer for reason specific to the philosophy of training that encompass powerlifting. If I was to link to any current hypertrophy related articles I think you would find that volume per week is more important so if you want that you should be looking here:

    hypertrophyspecific.com/hst_index.html

    BTW no I didn't' think you were trolling, I just thought you were asking the wrong person.

    "I have skinny arms and would love to make them bigger. I'd love to add more volume, but I'm completely squeezed for time (I have exactly 35 minutes to go to the gym each day, which is just enough time to get the big muscle groups each time). I've been lifting for a few years and am currently in the middle of my second bulk."

    This girl doesn't know what she wants, and her programming and goal setting reflects it. She has this specific "spot training" (myth) goal from what I can interpret, which is kind of unhealthy even from an aesthetic standpoint. Just curious, what happens when you hit a plateau in powerlifting from a programming standpoint?

    How is wanting bigger arms mentally unhealthy? It's not as is she is obsessing over it and testing "add in inch to your arms in 24 hours" routines.

    Kyle, I can't sleep at night and I'm measuring every 5 minutes. I did 5 hours of bis/tris yesterday and think I got a tiny pump.

    Or not. Did some arm supersets on Sat. and moved on with my life.

    ;)
  • JayRuby84
    JayRuby84 Posts: 557 Member
    PwrLftr82 wrote: »
    JayRuby84 wrote: »
    All I'm going to say is that you are still a bad *kitten* and you can lift way heavier things than I can. And your figure is much better as well! However I really can't offer and advice here.

    Thanks, Jay, you're sweet <3

    Anytime :)

  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,147 Member
    LOL, I am just jumping in to see where the rest of this mess goes....
  • PwrLftr82
    PwrLftr82 Posts: 963 Member
    Seems to have calmed down...for now.
  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,582 Member
    I'm not surprised that after I went to bed last night the person who I said "got off the hook" came back with more "stuff" to say.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,147 Member
    I'm not surprised that after I went to bed last night the person who I said "got off the hook" came back with more "stuff" to say.

    if it bothers you that much you may have deeper issues that need examining...

  • ForecasterJason
    ForecasterJason Posts: 2,582 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I'm not surprised that after I went to bed last night the person who I said "got off the hook" came back with more "stuff" to say.

    if it bothers you that much you may have deeper issues that need examining...
    It doesn't. But it seemed to me like those that responded in the thread at that time had the wrong idea that he wasn't coming back. I saw absolutely nothing positive posted from those posts (and I wasn't the only one who thought so). I took the ignored responses to it as though what was said was perfectly OK, which obviously it wasn't.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,147 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    I'm not surprised that after I went to bed last night the person who I said "got off the hook" came back with more "stuff" to say.

    if it bothers you that much you may have deeper issues that need examining...
    It doesn't. But it seemed to me like those that responded in the thread at that time had the wrong idea that he wasn't coming back. I saw absolutely nothing positive posted from those posts (and I wasn't the only one who thought so). I took the ignored responses to it as though what was said was perfectly OK, which obviously it wasn't.

    welcome to MFP ....

  • caesar164
    caesar164 Posts: 312 Member
    w734q672 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    I like building programs :) I always thought that people who lift weights wanted to develop their muscles; but I have learned that there are people that just want to get stronger, without developing their muscles and increasing its size... Muscles will get larger as you get stronger, just not as developed as if you were doing a split routine, or bro splits as some will call it lol.

    We all have different goals. Some want to get as big as possible and touch their genetic threshold naturally while being strong. Some don't feel the desire to be the guy with the biggest arms in the room and are contempt getting stronger in their training.

    There are plenty of training styles that one can implement whether it be power, hypertrophy, endurance, periodical whatever they choose. Many factors such as goals and time constraints will aid us in choosing a path.

    Yes muscles do get stronger as they get bigger but CNS training is also a big part of being able to move more weight.


    W734, I'm not even going to bother with you. Not worth the wasted effort.

    Your rebuttal is not necessary. I do not need novice advice about exercise science from an EMT. If I wanted to truly get expert opinion, I'd go straight to Mark Rippetoe or somebody more credible in the exercise science field. I don't ask an ice cream truck driver about balance sheet problems, I ask an accountant.


    "Yes muscles do get stronger as they get bigger"
    This is a fallacy. Injections of synthol in a particular muscle can stretch muscle fascia. The injected muscle will look bigger, but you will not necessarily be stronger.

    He speaks about mental health yet recommends synthol lol? I knew he was a troll as soon as he said synthol...

    Hey pwrlftr82, thanks for the message! Try that exercise I recommended, its really tough! Superset with some skull crushers; I like to pre-exhaust the arms before doing that superset with standing cable extensions (pushdowns) followed by machine single arm preacher curls or single arm db preacher curls... give it a try :-)
  • feralX
    feralX Posts: 334 Member
    [quote="JoRocka; I'm just mostly awesome... rather than all the time awesome. [/quote]

    Love that...best part of the entire thread.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,589 Member
    caesar164 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    I like building programs :) I always thought that people who lift weights wanted to develop their muscles; but I have learned that there are people that just want to get stronger, without developing their muscles and increasing its size... Muscles will get larger as you get stronger, just not as developed as if you were doing a split routine, or bro splits as some will call it lol.

    We all have different goals. Some want to get as big as possible and touch their genetic threshold naturally while being strong. Some don't feel the desire to be the guy with the biggest arms in the room and are contempt getting stronger in their training.

    There are plenty of training styles that one can implement whether it be power, hypertrophy, endurance, periodical whatever they choose. Many factors such as goals and time constraints will aid us in choosing a path.

    Yes muscles do get stronger as they get bigger but CNS training is also a big part of being able to move more weight.


    W734, I'm not even going to bother with you. Not worth the wasted effort.

    Your rebuttal is not necessary. I do not need novice advice about exercise science from an EMT. If I wanted to truly get expert opinion, I'd go straight to Mark Rippetoe or somebody more credible in the exercise science field. I don't ask an ice cream truck driver about balance sheet problems, I ask an accountant.


    "Yes muscles do get stronger as they get bigger"
    This is a fallacy. Injections of synthol in a particular muscle can stretch muscle fascia. The injected muscle will look bigger, but you will not necessarily be stronger.

    He speaks about mental health yet recommends synthol lol? I knew he was a troll as soon as he said synthol...

    Hey pwrlftr82, thanks for the message! Try that exercise I recommended, its really tough! Superset with some skull crushers; I like to pre-exhaust the arms before doing that superset with standing cable extensions (pushdowns) followed by machine single arm preacher curls or single arm db preacher curls... give it a try :-)

    You forgot: followed by arms wanting to hit you back. ;)
  • PwrLftr82
    PwrLftr82 Posts: 963 Member
    caesar164 wrote: »
    w734q672 wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    caesar164 wrote: »
    I like building programs :) I always thought that people who lift weights wanted to develop their muscles; but I have learned that there are people that just want to get stronger, without developing their muscles and increasing its size... Muscles will get larger as you get stronger, just not as developed as if you were doing a split routine, or bro splits as some will call it lol.

    We all have different goals. Some want to get as big as possible and touch their genetic threshold naturally while being strong. Some don't feel the desire to be the guy with the biggest arms in the room and are contempt getting stronger in their training.

    There are plenty of training styles that one can implement whether it be power, hypertrophy, endurance, periodical whatever they choose. Many factors such as goals and time constraints will aid us in choosing a path.

    Yes muscles do get stronger as they get bigger but CNS training is also a big part of being able to move more weight.


    W734, I'm not even going to bother with you. Not worth the wasted effort.

    Your rebuttal is not necessary. I do not need novice advice about exercise science from an EMT. If I wanted to truly get expert opinion, I'd go straight to Mark Rippetoe or somebody more credible in the exercise science field. I don't ask an ice cream truck driver about balance sheet problems, I ask an accountant.


    "Yes muscles do get stronger as they get bigger"
    This is a fallacy. Injections of synthol in a particular muscle can stretch muscle fascia. The injected muscle will look bigger, but you will not necessarily be stronger.

    He speaks about mental health yet recommends synthol lol? I knew he was a troll as soon as he said synthol...

    Hey pwrlftr82, thanks for the message! Try that exercise I recommended, its really tough! Superset with some skull crushers; I like to pre-exhaust the arms before doing that superset with standing cable extensions (pushdowns) followed by machine single arm preacher curls or single arm db preacher curls... give it a try :-)

    You forgot: followed by arms wanting to hit you back. ;)

    Isn't that the goal? LOL

    Caesar, I really do appreciate your thoughts. I love skull crushers. They kill!
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,552 Member
    feralX wrote: »
    "JoRocka wrote:
    I'm just mostly awesome... rather than all the time awesome.

    Love that...best part of the entire thread.



    I do what I can ;) wink wink nudge nudge
  • LotusAsh
    LotusAsh Posts: 294 Member
    damn, I came back in and the dust has settled