Ate over calories - lost weight?
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LeadingMuscle wrote: »
How do you know it's a refeed as in very high carb, low fat and moderate protein? What benefit does someone that is not glycogen depleted, low Leptin and lean get from a properly structured refeed other than mental?LeadingMuscle wrote: »
Again, a refeed does not simply mean eating over your alloted limit. There is a proper way to do a refeed.LeadingMuscle wrote: »This was a refeed your body needed. Do this every week or two while eating at a deficit the other days.
Yes, there is a proper way. This is still what she did.
A day of overeating =/= refeed.
From the information she gave us, she suddenly loses weight after a 3 month plateau by overeating calories, deductive reasoning says she unintentionally did a refeed. Again, you don't have to be lean to need a refeed. http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/11/calorie-shifting-refeeding-for-max-fat.html
I read that link the other day you posted about a refeed and I responded to your post but you never bothered to write back. The article says nothing of substance. Find the studies and post them.
Refeeds, leptin and glycogen based on carb intake and training. I don't see that happening much around her. People hear refeed and want to do it to over eat. You know what does happen when you over eat? You relieve stress and in turn reduce Cortisol causing a reduction in water weight. Then the scale drops.
A non structured refeed is not a refeed, it's a day of overindulgence. Simple. People want to justify it by calling it a refeed then feel free to lie to yourselves but the truth is the truth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018593/
In present study, we want to know how calorie intake in irregular amounts (different phases of high and low calorie intake) can affect the RMR, body weight, and adaptation of subjects compared to constant calorie restriction.
Obese and overweight (BMI ≥ 25), nonsmoking adult (age 26-50 years) subjects were entered to the study and required instructions were provided by a registered dietitian.
At the end of follow-up period reduction in body, FM [fat mass] was significant in CSD[calorie shifting diet] group (−4.78, P < 0.05) but not in CR [calorie restrictive] subjects (−1.98, P = 0.08).
All features of CSD on decreasing weight and FM during treatment were similar to the effects of CR, except RMR which remained unchanged during study in CSD subjects. The effect of CSD on weight loss was more persistent than CR diet, while both group had a 1 month follow-up period with approximately same amounts of calorie intake. Further analysis suggested the involvement of reduced RMR in weight regain of CR subjects during follow-up period, which remained in levels near to the baseline for CSD subjects. Finally, increased satisfaction and low percent of subjects who rejected the study, demonstrated CSD's clinical potentials.
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LeadingMuscle wrote: »LeadingMuscle wrote: »
How do you know it's a refeed as in very high carb, low fat and moderate protein? What benefit does someone that is not glycogen depleted, low Leptin and lean get from a properly structured refeed other than mental?LeadingMuscle wrote: »
Again, a refeed does not simply mean eating over your alloted limit. There is a proper way to do a refeed.LeadingMuscle wrote: »This was a refeed your body needed. Do this every week or two while eating at a deficit the other days.
Yes, there is a proper way. This is still what she did.
A day of overeating =/= refeed.
From the information she gave us, she suddenly loses weight after a 3 month plateau by overeating calories, deductive reasoning says she unintentionally did a refeed. Again, you don't have to be lean to need a refeed. http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/11/calorie-shifting-refeeding-for-max-fat.html
I read that link the other day you posted about a refeed and I responded to your post but you never bothered to write back. The article says nothing of substance. Find the studies and post them.
Refeeds, leptin and glycogen based on carb intake and training. I don't see that happening much around her. People hear refeed and want to do it to over eat. You know what does happen when you over eat? You relieve stress and in turn reduce Cortisol causing a reduction in water weight. Then the scale drops.
A non structured refeed is not a refeed, it's a day of overindulgence. Simple. People want to justify it by calling it a refeed then feel free to lie to yourselves but the truth is the truth.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4018593/
In present study, we want to know how calorie intake in irregular amounts (different phases of high and low calorie intake) can affect the RMR, body weight, and adaptation of subjects compared to constant calorie restriction.
Obese and overweight (BMI ≥ 25), nonsmoking adult (age 26-50 years) subjects were entered to the study and required instructions were provided by a registered dietitian.
At the end of follow-up period reduction in body, FM [fat mass] was significant in CSD[calorie shifting diet] group (−4.78, P < 0.05) but not in CR [calorie restrictive] subjects (−1.98, P = 0.08).
All features of CSD on decreasing weight and FM during treatment were similar to the effects of CR, except RMR which remained unchanged during study in CSD subjects. The effect of CSD on weight loss was more persistent than CR diet, while both group had a 1 month follow-up period with approximately same amounts of calorie intake. Further analysis suggested the involvement of reduced RMR in weight regain of CR subjects during follow-up period, which remained in levels near to the baseline for CSD subjects. Finally, increased satisfaction and low percent of subjects who rejected the study, demonstrated CSD's clinical potentials.
No control of caloric intake, just memory recall.
No talk of activity in training or even lifestlye. What are the differences between the groups?
Not excited to see bio impedance method. Not very accurate.
With all that said what they are describing is over feeding. They don't even know how many calories the subjects ate on this 3 days, could have been more or could have been less.
Over feeding is still not a refeed.
No, it's not a perfect study. I'll be glad to read one that is on this topic.0 -
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How do you know it's a refeed as in very high carb, low fat and moderate protein? What benefit does someone that is not glycogen depleted, low Leptin and lean get from a properly structured refeed other than mental?LeadingMuscle wrote: »
Again, a refeed does not simply mean eating over your alloted limit. There is a proper way to do a refeed.LeadingMuscle wrote: »This was a refeed your body needed. Do this every week or two while eating at a deficit the other days.
Yes, there is a proper way. This is still what she did.
A day of overeating =/= refeed.
JW your opinion/experience, did you do refeeds when you were at a higher body fat or only once you really got into lean BF territory? I'm wondering if it's something I should incorporate once a week or biweekly, or if just eating maintenance a few times a month would suffice for that mental/physical break. Keep in mind I'm guessing that I'm about 15-20lbs from my goal, but it may be more if I'm actually fattier than I think lol ;(0 -
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Liftng4Lis wrote: »One day is irrelevant in the scheme of things. Normal, daily fluctuations.
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How do you know it's a refeed as in very high carb, low fat and moderate protein? What benefit does someone that is not glycogen depleted, low Leptin and lean get from a properly structured refeed other than mental?LeadingMuscle wrote: »
Again, a refeed does not simply mean eating over your alloted limit. There is a proper way to do a refeed.LeadingMuscle wrote: »This was a refeed your body needed. Do this every week or two while eating at a deficit the other days.
Yes, there is a proper way. This is still what she did.
A day of overeating =/= refeed.
JW your opinion/experience, did you do refeeds when you were at a higher body fat or only once you really got into lean BF territory? I'm wondering if it's something I should incorporate once a week or biweekly, or if just eating maintenance a few times a month would suffice for that mental/physical break. Keep in mind I'm guessing that I'm about 15-20lbs from my goal, but it may be more if I'm actually fattier than I think lol ;(
I personally did them on my cut 2 years ago. I didn't start them until I was around 13% bf. I would do them on Tuesdays. I did them back the because I did feel that my carbs were a little on the lower side for me, around 120g but also more of a psychological thing. As far as feeling as if I really needed to manipulate Leptin, I don't think I was suffering from that. My hunger levels were pretty stable and my weight loss was consistent until then end when I hit about 10% where the weight loss came to a crawl but I was fine with that. This past year I did not do refeeds. I kept my carbs near 200g every day and still go lean so I was happy with that.
Do you feel like you mentally would benefit from it? As I always say, many times that"refeed" weight loss people loss is water weight from having a stress free eating day.
How high are your carbs daily?
What's your training like?
I'm not sure that I would mentally benefit, as dieting doesn't really stress me out, but I know that sometimes I'll feel like I'd like to eat more. In fact I've done a number of "diet breaks" eating at maintenance in the last 2 months, so maybe I would benefit from a weekly or bi-weekly scheduled maintenance day, refeed or non-refeed! But my carbs do vary a bit, I usually am no lower than 150g though. I think my goal is around 200ish? My training is not that excessive, lifting 3x a week although I do plan on going back to a 4x upper/lower split. Around 150 mins a week max regardless of the schedule though, almost no cardio. Lower body days are definitely more energy-taxing though, I come out dripping most of the time.
How did you go about calculating your carb goal? I just calculated fat and protein first, the rest goes to carbs. I'd estimate that I'm somewhere around 26-27% BF, ultimate goal would be getting down to around 17-18% BF.0
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